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I'm very skeptical about the stability - from what I can tell it is the least stable of the major linux browsers.Moat wrote:Firefox's stability, extensibility and tweakability (especially via about:config) are second to none IMHO
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Yes, I was ignoring the standard Puppy seamonkey crash due to a faulty GTK. I didn't realise it affected other browsers to though.
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I guess I should do a hardware scan. Though it doesn't seem like anything run into problem any other time (although, no other package exhibits a RAM load of a 8-900 MB -- I watch the RAM as I'm running it, and it bloats up until all RAM is loaded, and then sometimes rolls on into swap.)Moat wrote:I was going to mention essentially the same thing. On both a weak single-cored Atom netbook and a circa 2005 HP lappy - both with 1Gb RAM and no swap - various Puppies (currently Precise Retro 5.7.1) and other Linux distros run newer Firefoxes without complaint. Firefox typically uses an additional 150-200 Mb RAM when open, and additional CPU use is only a few percent unless scrolling (during which it spikes 40-100%).mcewanw wrote: None of my computers have more than 1 GB RAM. I never create or use a swap file or partition and I generally run Firefox. I've used various version up to and including the latest and don't experience any crashes - despite FF being bloated and watching Youtube fullscreen and also having many tabs open at the same time often.
Firefox IS relatively bloated compared to many other browsers, but it's a matter of "you get what you pay for". Firefox's stability, extensibility and tweakability (especially via about:config) are second to none IMHO - and these mediocre machines run it without hiccup. You just have to get used to waiting a few more seconds for it to load on opening, compared to other lighter alternatives.
Not sure why you're having such problems, RetroTechGuy.
Here's what my newer laptop shows (I have only FF and ROXterm running, beyond base system)
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total used free shared buffers
Mem: 3014600 1113960 1900640 0 31932
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 3014600 1113960 1900640
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Edit: let me really "light up" Firefox. I opened about a dozen FB pages... I have 2 pieces of FF in "top". My total load is now about 1.7 GB, most of that in FF...
Of course, on my machine with 1GB RAM, this would completely flatten it...
Of course, on my machine with 1GB RAM, this would completely flatten it...
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Hmm expected usage for me below...add say 150MB for heavy use and newer version.
Sounds more like a memory leak since usage is normally proportional to space available and should not hit max ...what addons do you have and does it happen with other firefox versions...? Any other pattern..particular sites?
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Sounds more like a memory leak since usage is normally proportional to space available and should not hit max ...what addons do you have and does it happen with other firefox versions...? Any other pattern..particular sites?
mike
From my aforementioned netbook, since upgraded to 2Gb RAM - FF v25.0.1, 9 tabs open, large file downloading in background -
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This is FF 26.0. It looks like a memory leak of some sort... I think that this behavior started in the last few versions...mikeb wrote:Hmm expected usage for me below...add say 150MB for heavy use and newer version.
Sounds more like a memory leak since usage is normally proportional to space available and should not hit max ...what addons do you have and does it happen with other firefox versions...? Any other pattern..particular sites?
mike
(years ago, Netscape used to sometimes exhibit memory leaks, and crash the browser -- maybe the FF guys figured out how to incorporate that "feature")
I typically run AdBlockPlus, NoScript, DownLoadThemAll, DownloadHelper.
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I'm apparently not alone. A number of people have reported 1.7GB RAM usage...
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/quest ... 643?page=2
This article is interesting... A couple options that let you explore the usage:
http://lifehacker.com/find-out-which-ex ... 1339291204
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/quest ... 643?page=2
This article is interesting... A couple options that let you explore the usage:
http://lifehacker.com/find-out-which-ex ... 1339291204
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Maybe the answer is to use the Firefox ESR series instead of the latest mainstream ones? I'm posting this from Firefox 17.0.11 (in Racy ER) and even with 3 tabs open including a youtube video playing, no flash blocking or other memory saving aids, and the ESR update downloading, Gkrellm shows just 200 MB of RAM in use. I think that's pretty impressive for a browser (and distro) in 2013.
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I was running NyetScrape on Debian 1.3 at that time. That was the only program that I ever ran, which crashed the machine (it caused a reset/reboot). (I had a whopping 64MB RAM on that beast...)mikeb wrote:yeah was going to suggest trying 'safemode'...ie all addons disabled...
Yes I remember netscape crashing on 98.... some said it was a MS trick but who knows... but someone on a forum suggested firefox which was at 0.6 then and it worked like a charm... so a long association has ensued..
mike
I used the "lifehacker" suggestions to examine the memory. It apparently isn't any of the extensions. The main piece of FF is eating about half, and FF is apparently initiating a pile of java crap, which is eating the other half...
The good part is that the tool reports the same memory load that "top" does... Between the 2 pieces, it shows well over 1 GB (that's a problem for this desktop machine).
An interesting note... Using the FF memory usage widget, it reports that every Facebook tab uses between 20 and 25 MB... talk about being an absolute "pig"... Murga Puppy tabs are much smaller (but I thought still larger than they should be)
Oh, and I had recently "reset firefox", then uninstalled FF, and then reinstalled FF to wipe any residual crud that might be causing problems. Didn't seem to help -- the stuff being loaded is apparently default FF operation (which I suppose brings us to a question of compatibility with various bits of hardware -- maybe it needs that to compensate).
Maybe it's time to swap in that newer machine, with 2 GB RAM -- it has "XP Media Edition"
Now that I think about it, I upgraded the RAM in that machine for those folks, because their normal browser was reducing the machine to its knees (that was IE, not FF) -- they were having trouble reaching their email as a result. When I put FF on their machine, it worked "OK", whereas IE barely worked at all...
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When I saw "ESR", I thought that meant that Eric Raymond had patched one together....Colonel Panic wrote:Maybe the answer is to use the Firefox ESR series instead of the latest mainstream ones?
If he did, it would likely work well.
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java or javascript?...if it is java that is the worst when it comes to memory swallowing.... it would be the webstarter doing it... I have java but avoid enabling the plugin for that reason.and FF is apparently initiating a pile of java crap,
Actually my reason for first trying firefox was that IE caused 98 to slow to a crawl and need regular reboots....especially if a bookmark or 2 was made...... IE removal tool fixed that and FF was the replacement. Some do not realise that IE is not really a browser but an ugly extension to the desktop so when it screws up so does the system...also why viruses have an easy time getting into the machine.
Removing IE made the machine happy and the bonus was being free from viruses ever since ..ok msn messenger and outlook needed to go as well to get that immunity.
As it happens firefox on windows chalks up 50-150MB for me...again an older version.
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I had 6 tabs open (including the about.memory). I closed FF, I cleared the un-released RAM (I think it was Bruce who came up with a process to sync, and purge), opened FF and restored the 6 tabs. At at over 500 MB without doing anything at all yet... It looks like this:
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Main Process
Explicit Allocations
148.46 MB (100.0%) -- explicit
├───49.32 MB (33.22%) -- js-non-window
│ ├──39.36 MB (26.51%) -- zones
│ │ ├──30.90 MB (20.81%) -- zone(0xaf827800)
│ │ │ ├──12.79 MB (08.62%) ++ (199 tiny)
│ │ │ ├──11.11 MB (07.49%) ── unused-gc-things
│ │ │ └───7.00 MB (04.71%) -- strings
│ │ │ ├──5.33 MB (03.59%) -- normal
│ │ │ │ ├──3.15 MB (02.12%) ── malloc-heap
│ │ │ │ └──2.18 MB (01.47%) ── gc-heap
│ │ │ └──1.67 MB (01.12%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ │ ├───8.30 MB (05.59%) -- zone(0xb1d74000)
│ │ │ ├──7.80 MB (05.25%) -- strings
│ │ │ │ ├──6.77 MB (04.56%) -- normal
│ │ │ │ │ ├──5.32 MB (03.59%) ── malloc-heap
│ │ │ │ │ └──1.45 MB (00.98%) ── gc-heap
│ │ │ │ └──1.03 MB (00.69%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ │ │ └──0.50 MB (00.34%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └───0.16 MB (00.11%) ++ zone(0xaf827400)
│ ├───8.89 MB (05.99%) -- runtime
│ │ ├──3.37 MB (02.27%) ── script-data
│ │ ├──3.00 MB (02.02%) ── atoms-table
│ │ ├──2.03 MB (01.37%) ── script-sources
│ │ └──0.49 MB (00.33%) ++ (9 tiny)
│ └───1.07 MB (00.72%) ++ gc-heap
├───23.95 MB (16.13%) ── heap-unclassified
├───22.20 MB (14.95%) -- window-objects
│ ├───5.11 MB (03.44%) -- top(chrome://browser/content/browser.xul, id=3)
│ │ ├──4.72 MB (03.18%) -- active
│ │ │ ├──4.63 MB (03.12%) -- window(chrome://browser/content/browser.xul)
│ │ │ │ ├──2.55 MB (01.71%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ │ │ └──2.08 MB (01.40%) ++ js-compartment([System Principal], about:blank)
│ │ │ └──0.09 MB (00.06%) ++ window(about:blank)
│ │ └──0.39 MB (00.26%) ++ js-zone(0xad938400)
│ ├───3.58 MB (02.41%) -- top(http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=Firefox+ESR&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&siteurl=www.wellminded.com%2Fpuppy%2Fpupsearch.html&ref=www.murga-linux.com%2Fpuppy%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D746658&ss=214j45796j2#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Firefox%20ESR&gsc.page=1, id=22)
│ │ ├──3.23 MB (02.18%) -- active/window(http://www.google.com/cse?cx=015995643981050743583%3Aabvzbibgzxo&q=Firefox+ESR&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&siteurl=www.wellminded.com%2Fpuppy%2Fpupsearch.html&ref=www.murga-linux.com%2Fpuppy%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D746658&ss=214j45796j2#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Firefox%20ESR&gsc.page=1)
│ │ │ ├──2.05 MB (01.38%) -- layout
│ │ │ │ ├──1.85 MB (01.25%) ── style-sets
│ │ │ │ └──0.19 MB (00.13%) ++ (7 tiny)
│ │ │ └──1.19 MB (00.80%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └──0.35 MB (00.24%) ++ js-zone(0xa61d1000)
│ ├───3.08 MB (02.08%) -- top(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78103&start=45, id=20)
│ │ ├──3.01 MB (02.03%) -- active/window(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78103&start=45)
│ │ │ ├──2.45 MB (01.65%) -- layout
│ │ │ │ ├──1.84 MB (01.24%) ── style-sets
│ │ │ │ └──0.61 MB (00.41%) ++ (7 tiny)
│ │ │ └──0.56 MB (00.38%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └──0.07 MB (00.05%) ++ js-zone(0xa61a9800)
│ ├───3.02 MB (02.03%) -- top(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72177&start=180, id=26)
│ │ ├──2.93 MB (01.97%) -- active/window(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72177&start=180)
│ │ │ ├──2.39 MB (01.61%) -- layout
│ │ │ │ ├──1.84 MB (01.24%) ── style-sets
│ │ │ │ └──0.55 MB (00.37%) ++ (7 tiny)
│ │ │ └──0.54 MB (00.36%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └──0.09 MB (00.06%) ++ js-zone(0xa635b000)
│ ├───2.89 MB (01.95%) -- top(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search.php?search_id=egosearch, id=8)
│ │ ├──2.81 MB (01.89%) -- active/window(http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search.php?search_id=egosearch)
│ │ │ ├──2.23 MB (01.50%) -- layout
│ │ │ │ ├──1.84 MB (01.24%) ── style-sets
│ │ │ │ └──0.39 MB (00.26%) ++ (7 tiny)
│ │ │ └──0.58 MB (00.39%) ++ (3 tiny)
│ │ └──0.08 MB (00.06%) ++ js-zone(0xa90cf400)
│ ├───2.33 MB (01.57%) -- top(http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Archpup, id=24)
│ │ ├──2.24 MB (01.51%) -- active/window(http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Archpup)
│ │ │ ├──1.94 MB (01.31%) -- layout
│ │ │ │ ├──1.82 MB (01.23%) ── style-sets
│ │ │ │ └──0.12 MB (00.08%) ++ (7 tiny)
│ │ │ └──0.30 MB (00.20%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └──0.09 MB (00.06%) ++ js-zone(0xa6330400)
│ └───2.19 MB (01.48%) ++ (4 tiny)
├───16.39 MB (11.04%) -- add-ons
│ ├──13.92 MB (09.38%) -- {d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}
│ │ ├──13.90 MB (09.37%) -- js-non-window/zones/zone(0xaf827800)/compartment([System Principal], jar:file:///root/.mozilla/firefox/nunzpnku.default/extensions/%7Bd10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js (from: resource://gre/modules/XPIProvider.jsm:3913))
│ │ │ ├───9.63 MB (06.49%) -- objects
│ │ │ │ ├──5.82 MB (03.92%) -- gc-heap
│ │ │ │ │ ├──3.47 MB (02.33%) ── dense-array
│ │ │ │ │ ├──2.23 MB (01.50%) ── ordinary
│ │ │ │ │ └──0.12 MB (00.08%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ │ │ │ ├──3.81 MB (02.57%) -- malloc-heap
│ │ │ │ │ ├──3.26 MB (02.20%) ── slots
│ │ │ │ │ └──0.55 MB (00.37%) ── elements/non-asm.js
│ │ │ │ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ── non-heap/code/asm.js
│ │ │ ├───4.15 MB (02.80%) -- shapes
│ │ │ │ ├──3.14 MB (02.12%) -- gc-heap
│ │ │ │ │ ├──2.93 MB (01.97%) ── dict
│ │ │ │ │ └──0.21 MB (00.14%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ │ │ │ └──1.01 MB (00.68%) ++ malloc-heap
│ │ │ └───0.12 MB (00.08%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ │ └───0.02 MB (00.01%) ── dom/non-window-global?!/orphan-nodes
│ ├───1.66 MB (01.12%) ++ {b9db16a4-6edc-47ec-a1f4-b86292ed211d}/js-non-window/zones/zone(0xaf827800)
│ └───0.80 MB (00.54%) ++ (2 tiny)
├────9.50 MB (06.40%) -- heap-overhead
│ ├──6.19 MB (04.17%) ── waste
│ ├──3.31 MB (02.23%) ── page-cache
│ └──0.00 MB (00.00%) ── bookkeeping
├────7.65 MB (05.15%) -- layout
│ ├──7.42 MB (05.00%) ── style-sheet-service
│ └──0.23 MB (00.15%) ── style-sheet-cache
├────6.12 MB (04.12%) -- storage
│ ├──4.84 MB (03.26%) -- sqlite
│ │ ├──3.17 MB (02.14%) -- places.sqlite
│ │ │ ├──3.02 MB (02.03%) ── cache-used [2]
│ │ │ └──0.16 MB (00.11%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ │ └──1.67 MB (01.12%) ++ (6 tiny)
│ └──1.28 MB (00.86%) ++ prefix-set
├────5.56 MB (03.74%) -- workers/workers()
│ ├──2.88 MB (01.94%) -- worker(resource://gre/modules/PageThumbsWorker.js, 0x9e43d800)
│ │ ├──1.50 MB (01.01%) ++ gc-heap
│ │ └──1.37 MB (00.92%) ++ (4 tiny)
│ └──2.68 MB (01.81%) ++ (2 tiny)
├────4.01 MB (02.70%) ++ (14 tiny)
├────1.91 MB (01.29%) ── atom-tables
└────1.86 MB (01.25%) -- startup-cache
├──1.86 MB (01.25%) ── mapping
└──0.00 MB (00.00%) ── data
Other Measurements
25.75 MB (100.0%) -- decommitted
├──22.79 MB (88.52%) ── js-non-window/gc-heap/decommitted-arenas
└───2.96 MB (11.48%) -- workers/workers()
├──1.48 MB (05.73%) ── worker(resource:///modules/sessionstore/SessionWorker.js, 0xaf53cc00)/gc-heap/decommitted-arenas
├──1.47 MB (05.72%) ── worker(resource://gre/modules/osfile/osfile_async_worker.js, 0xada0b800)/gc-heap/decommitted-arenas
└──0.01 MB (00.03%) ── worker(resource://gre/modules/PageThumbsWorker.js, 0x9e43d800)/gc-heap/decommitted-arenas
71.73 MB (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime
├──33.29 MB (46.41%) -- compartments
│ ├──17.52 MB (24.43%) -- objects
│ │ ├──11.01 MB (15.35%) -- gc-heap
│ │ │ ├───3.72 MB (05.18%) ── dense-array
│ │ │ ├───3.69 MB (05.14%) ── ordinary
│ │ │ ├───3.45 MB (04.81%) ── function
│ │ │ └───0.16 MB (00.22%) ── cross-compartment-wrapper
│ │ ├───6.51 MB (09.08%) -- malloc-heap
│ │ │ ├──4.96 MB (06.91%) ── slots
│ │ │ ├──1.52 MB (02.12%) ── elements/non-asm.js
│ │ │ └──0.04 MB (00.05%) ── regexp-statics
│ │ └───0.00 MB (00.00%) ── non-heap/code/asm.js
│ ├──13.18 MB (18.38%) -- shapes
│ │ ├───8.46 MB (11.79%) -- gc-heap
│ │ │ ├──3.34 MB (04.66%) ── dict
│ │ │ ├──3.01 MB (04.19%) -- tree
│ │ │ │ ├──2.65 MB (03.70%) ── global-parented
│ │ │ │ └──0.36 MB (00.50%) ── non-global-parented
│ │ │ └──2.11 MB (02.94%) ── base
│ │ └───4.72 MB (06.59%) -- malloc-heap
│ │ ├──3.05 MB (04.25%) ── compartment-tables
│ │ ├──0.99 MB (01.38%) ── dict-tables
│ │ └──0.69 MB (00.96%) ++ (2 tiny)
│ ├───2.11 MB (02.95%) -- scripts
│ │ ├──1.76 MB (02.46%) ── gc-heap
│ │ └──0.35 MB (00.49%) ── malloc-heap/data
│ └───0.47 MB (00.66%) ++ (6 tiny)
├──28.48 MB (39.70%) -- zones
│ ├──15.12 MB (21.08%) -- strings
│ │ ├──12.37 MB (17.25%) -- normal
│ │ │ ├───8.71 MB (12.14%) ── malloc-heap
│ │ │ └───3.66 MB (05.11%) ── gc-heap
│ │ ├───1.87 MB (02.60%) ── short/gc-heap
│ │ └───0.88 MB (01.22%) ++ notable
│ ├──12.74 MB (17.77%) ── unused-gc-things
│ └───0.62 MB (00.86%) ++ (4 tiny)
├───8.89 MB (12.40%) ── runtime
└───1.07 MB (01.49%) -- gc-heap
├──1.00 MB (01.39%) ── chunk-admin
└──0.07 MB (00.09%) ++ (2 tiny)
267 (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime-compartments
├──258 (96.63%) -- system
│ ├──251 (94.01%) ++ (249 tiny)
│ └────7 (02.62%) ── [System Principal], inProcessTabChildGlobal?ownedBy=chrome://browser/content/browser.xul [7]
└────9 (03.37%) ++ user
41.21 MB (100.0%) -- js-main-runtime-gc-heap-committed
├──28.40 MB (68.91%) -- used
│ ├──27.20 MB (66.01%) ── gc-things
│ ├───1.00 MB (02.43%) ── chunk-admin
│ └───0.19 MB (00.47%) ── arena-admin
└──12.81 MB (31.09%) -- unused
├──12.74 MB (30.93%) ── gc-things
└───0.07 MB (00.16%) ++ (2 tiny)
81 (100.0%) -- message-manager
└──81 (100.0%) -- referent
├──39 (48.15%) -- parent-process-manager
│ ├──39 (48.15%) ── strong
│ └───0 (00.00%) ++ weak
├──37 (45.68%) -- global-manager
│ ├──37 (45.68%) ── strong
│ └───0 (00.00%) ++ weak
└───5 (06.17%) -- child-process-manager
├──5 (06.17%) ── strong
└──0 (00.00%) ++ weak
635 (100.0%) -- observer-service
└──635 (100.0%) -- referent
├──434 (68.35%) ── strong
└──201 (31.65%) -- weak
├──199 (31.34%) ── alive
└────2 (00.31%) ── dead
380 (100.0%) -- preference-service
└──380 (100.0%) -- referent
├──308 (81.05%) ── strong
└───72 (18.95%) -- weak
├──72 (18.95%) ── alive
└───0 (00.00%) ── dead
16.18 MB (100.0%) -- window-objects
├──13.09 MB (80.89%) -- layout
│ ├───9.85 MB (60.89%) ── style-sets
│ ├───1.12 MB (06.91%) ── pres-shell
│ ├───1.05 MB (06.49%) ── frames
│ ├───0.45 MB (02.79%) ── style-contexts
│ ├───0.32 MB (01.95%) ++ (3 tiny)
│ └───0.30 MB (01.86%) ── text-runs
├───2.30 MB (14.24%) -- dom
│ ├──1.60 MB (09.89%) ── element-nodes
│ ├──0.37 MB (02.31%) ── text-nodes
│ ├──0.20 MB (01.26%) ── other
│ └──0.13 MB (00.78%) ++ (4 tiny)
├───0.79 MB (04.86%) ── style-sheets
└───0.00 MB (00.01%) ── property-tables
0.33 MB ── canvas-2d-pixels
0.56 MB ── gfx-surface-image
2.27 MB ── gfx-surface-xlib
0.00 MB ── gfx-textures
0 ── ghost-windows
92.29 MB ── heap-allocated
101.73 MB ── heap-committed
8.39% ── heap-overhead-ratio
0 ── host-object-urls
0.56 MB ── images-content-used-uncompressed
64.00 MB ── js-main-runtime-gc-heap
0.61 MB ── js-main-runtime-temporary-peak
182 ── page-faults-hard
81,512 ── page-faults-soft
182.38 MB ── resident
173.21 MB ── resident-unique
4.84 MB ── storage-sqlite
511.04 MB ── vsize
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Do you have a link to a site that threatens blocking old browsers...would like to test spoofing...
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