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LateAdopter

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 04:57    Post subject:  
Hello jamesbond

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That's becase we don't have any other mirror at the moment.


nluug mirror the whole distro.ibiblo structure. Fatdog is here:

http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/fatdog/

It downloads at about 5x the speed

I downloaded the ISO on the 18th May at 10.30 gmt, not long after you announced it. So they must update it very promptly.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 06:02    Post subject:  
LateAdopter wrote:
Hello jamesbond

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That's becase we don't have any other mirror at the moment.


nluug mirror the whole distro.ibiblo structure. Fatdog is here:

http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/fatdog/

It downloads at about 5x the speed

I downloaded the ISO on the 18th May at 10.30 gmt, not long after you announced it. So they must update it very promptly.
Thank you, I don't know that. I've added this to the mirror list.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 06:05    Post subject:  
irishrm wrote:
My first install was a boot from CD with the savefile on my NTFS harddrive.

Having done the USB install I transferred that savefile to the USB thinking that it would save me from having to redo the fixes that you and kirk had already helped me with.
Obviously the savefile hasn't travelled well so I'll delete it and start again.
No worries. The copied savefile should work - I routinely do that, and that is one of the compelling reasons of using puppy/ fatdog (only need copy one file to backup your data).
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 10:28    Post subject:  
jamesbond wrote:
Jim1911 wrote:
You mean Firefox binaries downloaded from mozilla site? Correct
All previous Fatdog uses Firefox compiled by kirk, not the official binaries. This is because standard official binaries require dependencies that are not included in Fatdog (mainly Dbus stuff).

Dbus is now included in Fatdog, but the official binaries now also require dbus-glib. Dbus glib is in the repo (refresh the package manager first). You also need to remove /usr/lib64/firefox (replace it with actual extract of firefox binary tarball). Firefox will launch. I didn't test further than that.
Knew that it had to be something simple, works great now, and it's at version 13. Very Happy

Thanks,
Jim
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kirk

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 11:02    Post subject:  
Compiled LibreOffice-3.5.3.2 and uploaded a sfs to:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fatdog/sfs/600/
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irishrm


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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 16:45    Post subject:  
kirk:
jamesbond:

Created a new savefile in my USB install.
Much better result this time but I still have the same problem with my downloads.

Downloads from the fatdog repro or from any-other source end up in temp.
When I try to copy or move a download I get the error message "operation not allowed".

You have not been able to replicate the problem so It must be confined to my system and install.
I won't ask you to waste anymore time on it.

I will continue to look at the problem, maybe It would be worthwhile downloading the iso again and starting from scratch.

If I can't find a solution then I can wait for the final release, I'm sure that will work.
irishrm.
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 17:46    Post subject: Is SFSs the new PETs?  
kirk wrote:
Compiled LibreOffice-3.5.3.2 and ...

Please recommend steps that LIve media users, like myself, can run a system where the SFS is installed as a permanent part of the system. Usually this is done when a reboot is done and the system offers to save-session.

Question
Is the new FATDOG PPM to be SFS based and the system will retain the added subsystems via save-session for reboot of the LIve media?.

There's a lot of new innovation coming our way in this distro.

Thanks in advance for the steps you recommend.
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WillM

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 19:22    Post subject:  
jamesbond wrote
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Do you mind sharing this for the rest of us?

Gladly

To display the working directory in the Title Bar,
I have the following in ~/.bashrc;

Code:
PS1="\[\e]2;Rxvt  \w\a\e[32;1m\]\W $\[\e[0m\] "


For tabs, enter this in ~/.Xdefaults.
Code:
URxvt.perl-ext-common:  default,tabbed

Urxvt needs to be compiled with --enable-perl for tabs to work.

Press Shift + Down Arrow to create a new tab.
Shift+ Left or Right Arrow to go to another tab
Ctrl + Left or Right Arrow to move a tab.
Ctrl + D to close a tab
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 19:22    Post subject:  
irishrm wrote:

Downloads from the fatdog repro or from any-other source end up in temp.

Download from Package Manager will be stored in /tmp - this is normal.
Download from web browser should be stored in /root/spot/Downloads - anything else isn't normal.

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When I try to copy or move a download I get the error message "operation not allowed".
If what you mean is that you're trying to copy the files to somewhere *outside the savefile* (any where in /mnt/home), ie, to your USB flash drive itself, then yes the message is normal (fat32 doesn't support chmod so it will fail, but the files will be copied correctly). I will try to remove this message in the next release.

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You have not been able to replicate the problem so It must be confined to my system and install. I won't ask you to waste anymore time on it.
Yes, sorry, the above is the only case I can reproduce, I can't reproduce anything else.

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I will continue to look at the problem, maybe It would be worthwhile downloading the iso again and starting from scratch.
You can check the md5sum of the ISO?

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If I can't find a solution then I can wait for the final release, I'm sure that will work.
irishrm.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 19:23    Post subject: Re: Is SFSs the new PETs?  
gcmartin wrote:
kirk wrote:
Compiled LibreOffice-3.5.3.2 and ...

Please recommend steps that LIve media users, like myself, can run a system where the SFS is installed as a permanent part of the system. Usually this is done when a reboot is done and the system offers to save-session.

Question
Is the new FATDOG PPM to be SFS based and the system will retain the added subsystems via save-session for reboot of the LIve media?.

There's a lot of new innovation coming our way in this distro.

Thanks in advance for the steps you recommend.
Alpha2 currently has a bug that prevents it from loading SFS in multisession mode. I will try to get this working on next release.

EDIT: It is actually working. Please see instructions on first page.
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Billtoo

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 20:48    Post subject: Fatdog64-600 alpha2
Subject description: savefile		  
I booted the live dvd and had it create a save file and saved it to a
flash drive.
Next bootup from the dvd I tried to get the savefile on the flash
drive to load (tried several times with several different "fatdog
savefile=direct:usb" etc. but nothing worked, settings all lost.
Finally I copied the save file from the flash drive to the hard drive and
booted up the live dvd and used "fatdog savefile=direct:local"
I was given a choice of save file to load and it worked with my initial
settings correct.

I was able to install the devx and then install the proprietary Nvidia
driver, after removing the nouveau driver.

hardinfo couldn't create a report (permissions problem) so I compiled
the source and installed that.

Computer
Processor 8x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Memory 16394MB (369MB used)
Operating System Unknown distribution
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Mon 21 May 2012 08:16:54 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
Version
Kernel Linux 3.3.4 (x86_64)
Compiled #1 SMP Fri May 4 23:40:44 GMT 2012
C Library GNU C Library version 2.13 (stable)
Default C Compiler GNU C Compiler version 4.6.2 (GCC)
Distribution Unknown distribution

OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
Version 4.2.0 NVIDIA 295.53
Direct Rendering Yes

Network controller Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe

It took a while to get there but this is working well now.
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 21:27    Post subject: Latest Wine Version  
I’ve discovered another incompatible program.

Installed wine-1.5.4-i486_v1.pet after first loading fd64-32bit-libs-3.sfs. Wine appears to be working well, and I’ve run some Windows programs under it.

However, the Wine installation somehow broke the Package Manager. Sad When trying to execute it comes up with a message “Refreshing list of installed packages...” and then displays a “GTK-server Error!” “ERROR: No value entered where “gtk_tree_store_set” expects one!” It worked just prior to the Wine installation and gave error immediately thereafter.

Don’t waste time trying to solve this, however please place preparation of the latest stable release of Wine which I believe is 1.4 on your todo list.

Thanks,
Jim
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 23:00    Post subject:  
Jim1911 wrote:
jamesbond wrote:
Jim1911 wrote:
You mean Firefox binaries downloaded from mozilla site? Correct
All previous Fatdog uses Firefox compiled by kirk, not the official binaries. This is because standard official binaries require dependencies that are not included in Fatdog (mainly Dbus stuff).

Dbus is now included in Fatdog, but the official binaries now also require dbus-glib. Dbus glib is in the repo (refresh the package manager first). You also need to remove /usr/lib64/firefox (replace it with actual extract of firefox binary tarball). Firefox will launch. I didn't test further than that.
Knew that it had to be something simple, works great now, and it's at version 13. Very Happy

Thanks,
Jim
Next release will fix this for you (libdbus_glib will be in the main sfs) so you don't need to go through this hoops again. Just download official firefox binaries and you're good to go.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 23:07    Post subject: Re: Fatdog64-600 alpha2
Subject description: savefile		  
Billtoo wrote:
I booted the live dvd and had it create a save file and saved it to a
flash drive.
Next bootup from the dvd I tried to get the savefile on the flash
drive to load (tried several times with several different "fatdog
savefile=direct:usb" etc. but nothing worked, settings all lost.

600 doesn't wait USB storage (flash drive etc) to be ready, because there is simply no reliable way of doing it (other than waiting and waiting and waiting ...). Thus you need to specify "waitdev=n" where "n" in the number of seconds to delay for the USB devices to settle and be ready. In my laptop, 3 seconds are enough. Yours may vary.
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PostPosted: Mon 21 May 2012, 23:10    Post subject: Re: Fatdog64-600 alpha2
Subject description: savefile		  
Billtoo wrote:
hardinfo couldn't create a report (permissions problem) so I compiled
the source and installed that.
Permission problem? When generating the report? I just run hardinfo (as multisession) and it seems to be working fine (it saves the report to /root)... Can you reproduce the issue?
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