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Puppy Wary 5.3 won't shutdown
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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jun 2012, 23:29    Post_subject:  Puppy Wary 5.3 won't shutdown  

I was told I should repost here.

Booting Puppy Wary 5.3. When I tell it to shut down, it goes through the steps and saves the session, but then reboots the screen.

This is booting off a USB flashdrive on an Acer Aspire netbook.

The flashdrive was originally set up on a desktop computer ... in case the way it was set up makes a difference.

The other threads I've seen on this topic never seem to have gotten a firm answer. But they were using older equipment so perhaps were ignored. This isn't ancient equipment.

The flash is partitioned in 2 parts. The first part is formatted with ext2, and that is where puppy lives and saves its data. The other partition has vfat32 so the drive can exchange data between puppy and windows.

One thread mentioned changing menu.lst. Searched for menu.lst but didn't find it. Does puppy on a stick even use grub?

During shutdown, I spotted this error:

EXT2-FS ERROR (device SDB1) : ext2_lookup deleted inode referenced: 21

repeated twice.

Happens every time I attempt shut down.

The busybox poweroff kludge works. Seems like if it works then it should be possible to make a script that will do it automatically.

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Mark
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Jun 2012, 23:52    Post_subject:  

Flash drives will boot fine using fat partitions instead of ext.

Give "Bootflash" a try and see if it works better.

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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 00:17    Post_subject:  

I don't have any problem booting. My problem is unbooting. (Debooting?)
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 01:25    Post_subject:  

Mark S. wrote:
I don't have any problem booting. My problem is unbooting. (Debooting?)


Think about it:

Your shutdown error message is about ext2.
Wouldn't hurt to try Bootflash which uses fat.

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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 10:03    Post_subject:  

Then why, oh why, did the Puppy install give me this song and dance about how much better things would be if I ran it from an EXT2 or EXT3 partition? Now it turns out that just the opposite is true?

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 11:00    Post_subject:  

Mark S. wrote:
Then why, oh why, did the Puppy install give me this song and dance about how much better things would be if I ran it from an EXT2 or EXT3 partition? Now it turns out that just the opposite is true?

Thanks,
Mark


Many of the "hard and fast rules" were written more than
5 years ago and may not apply as much anymore.

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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 13:52    Post_subject:  

What is bootflash, and will I need to start over and reformat the flash again?

My first ever puppy stick was formatted with vfat. It still runs and boots fine on a no-name 2G stick. Now its so old that Firefox is telling me that I shouldn't be using it ... so time to upgrade. Thought I would do it "right" this time - hah!

Edit: How is bootflash different from the universal installer? Which is what I used the first time.

Also, if I have to start over, is there some way to test various mbr's without going through all the locale set up stages?

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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 14:28    Post_subject:  

After the bootflash you still end up needing the universal installer, unless you happened to have a copy of the iso on the flashdrive. But since I'm already booting from the CD ... confusing.

And its the universal installer reminding me, once again, that I really ought to use EXT2 or EXT3. Threatens that using VFat will result in a Frugal install, but doesn't explain what that it is.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 14:43    Post_subject: Re: Puppy Wary 5.3 won't shutdown  

Mark S. wrote:
Booting Puppy Wary 5.3. When I tell it to shut down, it goes through the steps and saves the session, but then reboots the screen.
After it reboots itself, is the system fully operational? Can it still connect to the network? Or has it lost some functionality?
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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 15:10    Post_subject: Re: Puppy Wary 5.3 won't shutdown  

greengeek wrote:
Mark S. wrote:
Booting Puppy Wary 5.3. When I tell it to shut down, it goes through the steps and saves the session, but then reboots the screen.
After it reboots itself, is the system fully operational? Can it still connect to the network? Or has it lost some functionality?

Too late. I've already reformatted as Vfat and installed with bootflash. As far as I can remember, everything worked fine after the false shutdown. Now to see if it works. Since I'm booting from vfat, does this mean that I have a "frugal" install, and should I be concerned?

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 15:32    Post_subject: Re: Puppy Wary 5.3 won't shutdown  

Mark S. wrote:

Too late. I've already reformatted as Vfat and installed with bootflash. As far as I can remember, everything worked fine after the false shutdown. Now to see if it works. Since I'm booting from vfat, does this mean that I have a "frugal" install, and should I be concerned?

Thanks,
Mark


Puppy does not do a "full" or "normal" install to usb devices.

Frugal works from ext or fat. (it's not actually a frugal "install"
until a save file is made to a drive).

Nothing to be concerned about.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 15:47    Post_subject:  

rjbrewer wrote:
Flash drives will boot fine using fat partitions instead of ext.

Give "Bootflash" a try and see if it works better.

NOT only ext2 gets file system corruption, but also vfat . Newly i had to reinstall racy on sdcard on vfat because MS fsck called chkdsk has automatically moved too many files into found.000/ directory .
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Mark S.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 17:42    Post_subject:  

Karl Godt wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
Flash drives will boot fine using fat partitions instead of ext.

Give "Bootflash" a try and see if it works better.

NOT only ext2 gets file system corruption, but also vfat . Newly i had to reinstall racy on sdcard on vfat because MS fsck called chkdsk has automatically moved too many files into found.000/ directory .
Rolling Eyes

I gave up long ago on booting from sd/sdhc cards -- they were always getting corrupt when used as boot devices.

In this current case, I tried to use fsck (from old puppy, maybe?) to fix the usb that wouldn't de-boot. As I recall, fsck told me that the flash was clean, and so didn't offer to fix anything.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 18:08    Post_subject:  

In this case you need to open the racy-save-file.3fs and delete the hidden "*.wh.*" files inside of it . These are blocking things (ie writing to a file) .

Then umount it again and run fsck onto the racy-save-file.3fs ( and on the partition) .
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Jun 2012, 18:46    Post_subject:  

Mark S. wrote:
After the bootflash you still end up needing the universal installer, unless you happened to have a copy of the iso on the flashdrive. But since I'm already booting from the CD ... confusing.

And its the universal installer reminding me, once again, that I really ought to use EXT2 or EXT3. Threatens that using VFat will result in a Frugal install, but doesn't explain what that it is.

Mark


If you use the cd to run bootflash it is not necessary to run
the universal installer.

I just tried a universal install (ext2) of wary 5.3 and also
experienced wierd reboot and other problems.

In general; when doing universal install to usbflash; mbr.bin
usually boots more often. That's not related to power off
issues though; which are quite common with different
equipment and different puppies.

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