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Gobbi

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 11:12    Post subject:  

Control Panel / Display Properties is not opening normally... Sad

-Display-
Resolution : 1360x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on AMD JUNIPER
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation


Booting with parameters nomodeset pfix=vesa and Display Properties is working ... maximum : 1024x768 pixels

Waitng with patience for ati_catalyst_driver pet to reach better resolution
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 14:09    Post subject:  

i didn't test much, but everything I did does.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 17:22    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
James C wrote:
However, I've been totally unsuccessful in running from a multi-session dvd.As soon as the saved session starts to load there is an immediate kernel panic. Tried twice with 2 different dvds but then again it may just be me.
Huh? I tested the multisession DVD here, no problem.
Questions:
1. Do you use DVD+RW (that's the only I tested and confirmed to work)
2. How do you start the multisession? Here's how I do it:
- boot with livedvd
- shutdown - when asked about savefile, I tick the "save as multisession" and choose /dev/sr0
- reboot
- when the boot prompt comes back again, I typed "savefile=direct:multi"
Thanks JamesBond.

I have been so used to using Live media in the "old" Puppy tradition, that I discounted the need to use the "savefile" parm on boot. I just (wrongly) assumed ....

Yes the savefile parm does avoid the problems.

Is the savefile going to be a replacement for the older method or is this for current debug and shakedown testing?

DVD-R also works. So your documentation should be updated and the DVD+RW reference could be removed.

Thanks for all the good stuff you and Kirk are doing.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 17:24    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
Jim1911 wrote:
New frugal installation on an ext4 partition is working great on my desktop computer with my usual installed programs including using getnvidia. Amazing speed and stability.Very Happy
Sounds good! I'm going to make the nvidia.pet, but I think I'll upload shinobar's getnvidia to the pet repo too (in case newer nvidia version is released etc).

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Requests for final release. Idea
1. Faster loading of pmount (it takes about 35 seconds to load on my hardware).
That means a full re-write of the script ... may not be in time for final. Pmount today is still the same Pmount from Puppy days (521 days too), except for minor changes supporting multiuser. Anyway, I leave pmount more as a fallback rather than for regular use. Is there a situation where the standard drive icons doesn't work? No, standard drive icons work fine, however, I prefer to have a clean desktop and use pmount as needed.
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2. Include Frisbee.
This one will be quite hard ... please see kirk's post above mine, see what we can do to improve wpagui instead.
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3. Include Woof “Desktop drive icon manager”.
This would be impossible because Fatdog uses completely different drive-icon model from woof. Which feature from woof's drive icon are you looking for? Ability to remove drive icons, and get rid of floppy drive icon (have no floppy drive).
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4. Keep the Chosen Mirror in Package Manager upon closing. (Jamesbond’s "EDIT: mirror setting is now preserved across invocations. Will be in the next release." did not make it into the RC.)
I just checked, it does get to the RC. Can you please check whether /root/.packages/fpm-mirror-choice exists after you choose a mirror? Is there a file /aufs/pup_save/usr/sbin/fatdog-package-manager.sh? fpm-mirror-choice is not present, fatdog-package-manager.sh is not present at that location, see Pfind results below.
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5. Include “Desktop Templates for Desk icons” program similar to Slacko’s.
No promises, will come as a pet later when I get around to do it.

Cheers,
Jim
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 17:38    Post subject:  

There is a lot of horse-power exposed by this distro. And, it is obvious that a log of brain-power went into the making of this.

Thanks for the great-great work being done here.

The distro ONLY suffers from a single thing that I think would make every 64bit user (newbies, Apple users, Windows users, experienced users, etc) of this distro START with an immediate feeling of control:

The addition of a FATDOG-600 Localization Screen. This would/could follow in the efforts put forth by the good work of BarryK or Shinobar's version. It opens the first use of the desktop so that the user "SEE's" their local settings with controls for OOTB adjustments.

Experienced Linux users are comfortable searching for this stuff now buried in the Control Panel you provide. BUT, existing new users and exsiting users coming from current PUPs have become comfortable with the technology that is mentioned.

"FATDOG600 Initial User Localization" would be bringing this same kind of ease of use Puppy branding that we've become accustomed to since the changing from text based system starts to today's boot to desktop services we now enjoy.

Please consider the benefit this brings

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 19:05    Post subject: Re: Fatdog64-600rc
Subject description: All 64 bit.
 

Happauge PVR-150 works and shows cable tv. Wireless worked. My wireless chip is RT8187 [Realtek]. The brand is Rosewill USB but I don't think that matters. Other realtek wireless chips probably work.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 20:46    Post subject: Results of tests  

Hostname processing would benefit by a logoff. The X desktop restart does some of it, but the logoff addresses all of it that are used by most Linux apps. See results below.
Code:
# smbd -V
Version 3.0.37
# echo "Initial boot - The following list fields containing system's hostname"
Initial boot - The following list fields containing system's hostname
#
# hostname
fatdog64-40320
# echo $HOSTNAME
fatdog64-40320
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost fatdog64-40320
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
fatdog64-40320
#

Code:
# echo "Control Panel X Restart - The following list fields containing system's hostname"
Control Panel X Restart - The following list fields containing system's hostname
#
# hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# echo $HOSTNAME
fatdog64-40320
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
#

Code:
# echo "Menu>Quit X Server - At prompt, LOGOUT"
At prompt, LOGOUT
# echo "The following list fields containing system's hostname"
The following list fields containing system's hostname
# logout
# hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# echo $HOSTNAME
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
# cat .etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
192.168.1.1 pc2
192.168.1.2 pc3
192.168.1.3 pc4
# cat .etc/hostname
FD600rc1-TestOnSLI
#

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 20:48    Post subject: XDMCP  

When I boot live, then Menu>Network>Terminal Server Client;
the dropdown for protocols has XDMCP greyed-out.

Will report on remaster next 2 days.

I am testing the latest version download

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2012, 21:09    Post subject:  

Quote:
Is the savefile going to be a replacement for the older method or is this for current debug and shakedown testing?

This will be the way to go. If you use LiveDVD exclusively and do not want to type this at every boot, you can make a remaster and add the parameter to the isolinux.cfg (you will be asked to do this during remaster). For final at least you won't get a kernel crash if you forgot to type that boot parameter.

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DVD-R also works. So your documentation should be updated and the DVD+RW reference could be removed.
Thanks, document updated now.

Quote:
No, standard drive icons work fine, however, I prefer to have a clean desktop and use pmount as needed.
Noted. I won't be updating pmount now; not enough time and also I prefer not to make big untested changes near final release.

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Ability to remove drive icons, and get rid of floppy drive icon (have no floppy drive).
I added option to fatdog event manager not to display drive icons. Nothing specific to floppy, though - it's all or nothing.

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fpm-mirror-choice is not present, fatdog-package-manager.sh is not present at that location, see Pfind results below.
I checked - the filesize and file date of fatdog-package-manager.sh looks old and wrong. Are you sure you're using the correct initrd?

Quote:
The addition of a FATDOG-600 Localization Screen. This would/could follow in the efforts put forth by the good work of BarryK or Shinobar's version. It opens the first use of the desktop so that the user "SEE's" their local settings with controls for OOTB adjustments.
Comment:
1. From another viewpoint: having to enter all these when one just want to use a throwaway live session is a hassle.
2. Putting in shinobar's/Barry's work is not just a plug-in, a lot has changed under the hood. Plus we need to consider multiuser stuff too - which one of these settings are global and which one are per-user? Etc. A lot of thinking and effort required to address this properly.

To Gobbi:
- network wizard hangs after alsa-mixer hdmi unmute: I can't help because I don't have HDMI
- "display property problem" - Probably your radeon is too new Smile I'm using radeon open source drivers and display properties works ....

EDIT:
gcmartin wrote:
When I boot live, then Menu>Network>Terminal Server Client;
the dropdown for protocols has XDMCP greyed-out.
Ah, I find the culprit. You need to copy /usr/X11R7/bin/Xnest from devx; then XDCMP option will be enabled.

Final will be released in 24 hours time. This will bring a conclusion to Fatdog64 600 after 6 months of development.
Please let me/kirk know of any major showstopper problems. We can live with minor problems Laughing

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Gobbi

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 08:21    Post subject:  

Would it be possible to keep the nice boot splash image of Fatdog wich appears in the downloaded wersion in the the new custom versions that one rematers Question
It's not so important but if it's not so difficult ... The logo is too nice to be left out , in my opinion...
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 11:18    Post subject: Fatdog64-600-rc  

D/L iso and burned to cd-r

Tried to boot on win 7 64bit computer. Boot process starts but only get black screen - no desktop - I tried several of the Pfix parameters and still no luck

HP Pavillion dm-4-2070 laptop
Intel Core I5, 2.3 ghz 8gb memory
screen resolution 1366x768
Intel HD graphics 3000 with up to 1696 mb shared memory

any ideas as to what my problem might be?
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 11:39    Post subject: Re: Fatdog64-600-rc  

majorfoo wrote:
D/L iso and burned to cd-r

Tried to boot on win 7 64bit computer. Boot process starts but only get black screen - no desktop - I tried several of the Pfix parameters and still no luck

HP Pavillion dm-4-2070 laptop
Intel Core I5, 2.3 ghz 8gb memory
screen resolution 1366x768
Intel HD graphics 3000 with up to 1696 mb shared memory

any ideas as to what my problem might be?


If the boot sequence completes and then it turn black , put boot parameter : '' nomodeset pfix=vesa '' . Maybe a video driver problem ...
If it turn s black and not even a message error show up :

If you have any USB drive attached , it will do so... Pull out the USB drive!
Did you check if the image was burned with no errors ? I mean you did not burned it with windows burner ...if so , you better use Imgburn ( open source) , or do it in Linux !

Also take a look in BIOS at boot order priority...
Try it on another PC !
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 12:26    Post subject: Fatdog64-600rc
Subject description: remaster
 

I compiled some programs and did a remaster, I added
qt-482,xinelib-1.22,xineui-0.97,umplayer,smplayer,smtube,MPlayer-1.1,and cmus.
Also the proprietary nvidia driver.
The iso is 328mb
It booted up on another pc which has nvidia graphics card and works
fine on that pc.
I booted it up on a pc with intel graphics and got a black screen but
I entered xorgwizard a couple of times and then xwin, it went to the
desktop and everything is working fine except glxgears doesn't work.
I used gparted to resize the hard drive and added a new partition.then
used the fatdog installer to install to the new partition, logged off
creating my new savefile.
Next boot it offers a choice of savefiles to load, the first partition
has an older fatdog install on it, I chose the new install and it
booted up to the desktop.

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
Memory 5965MB (253MB used)
Machine Type Physical machine
Operating System Fatdog64 [54d320f566]
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Wed Jul 4 12:19:02 2012
Display
Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Unknown
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
OpenGL
Vendor Unknown
Renderer Unknown
Version Unknown
Direct Rendering No

Apart from the glxgears problem it's working fine.

EDIT: I made another remaster with all of the above programs plus a
few others, minus the proprietary nvidia driver.
The new iso size is 268 mb.
Installed to the hard drive.

OpenGL
Vendor Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3
Direct Rendering Yes

# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
303 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.433 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.018 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.020 FPS
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 12:52    Post subject:  

Installed ati_catalyst pet , made a remaster.iso and burned it onto a DVD-RW . Now I'm using 1920x1080 pixels resolution . Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2012, 12:58    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
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fpm-mirror-choice is not present, fatdog-package-manager.sh is not present at that location, see Pfind results below.
I checked - the filesize and file date of fatdog-package-manager.sh looks old and wrong. Are you sure you're using the correct initrd?
You are correct, I was picking up b2 installed on a separate partition. Embarassed Do you know of any changes that could be made to the menu.lst to assure that the correct partition is loaded? The correct save file was loaded. My solution was to delete the b2 installation.
Code:
title Fatdog64-600 RC(sdb5/fatdog64-600)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /fatdog64-600/initrd
  kernel /fatdog64-600/vmlinuz savefile=direct:device:sdb5:fatdog64-600/fd64save.ext4
  initrd /fatdog64-600/initrd

Thanks,
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