Carolina - 1.3

[josepinto]

Hi,

Could Quiterrs be added to Carolina repo.

It´s in Saluki repo.

Thanks,

José Pinto

[linux]

I'm quite curious to hear of your progress concerning the Macbook Pro install. Please keep us updated on this front.

Tried out Carolina on the MacBook today. On-board audio, on-board wireless network, all working really well. I could not configure the touch-pad settings as advised but it probably just needs a driver installed.

I still could not get the my brothers USB Realtek based wireless N adapter to work properly it is now recognized as a Wlan at startup after adding the driver you mentioned but it would not allow us to configure a network, even after disabling the on-board wireless. If I had the same USB network adapter I could configure it to work with my laptop and sort the problem out.

Thanks again for your help

[elroy]

Thanks for the light version, very nice. Is it possible to just have the a_drives and light puppy_sfs in the repo to keep the download even smaller?

Yes, I can do that. But in order to make, for example, a light non-PAE you would need to swap out 4 files: adrv_lina_002.sfs, puppy_lina_002.sfs, initrd.gz, and zdrv_lina_002.sfs. Those 4 files are about 111 MB, not much smaller than the light non-PAE ISO itself.

The light PAE version can be made by changing out just the adrv_lina_002.sfs with the standard carolina-002 adrive. I have uploaded the light PAE version adrive to that directory in folder labled 'PAE-light-adrive'.

Did a custom build with 002 light non pae, same problem as with Saluki, "open with" menu non alphabetized.

The stock light non-PAE is itself a custom build (with slight modification). The "open with" menu is alphabetized. Ubuntu has a Thunar bug report for this behavior -
Incorrect alphabetical sort order in thunar with non-latin (eg. cyrillic) file names. It's possible this is what you're experiencing and may be due to your locale setting not being handled correctly by Thunar.

Xfce also has a bug report Incorrect sort order in thunar with numeric names.

Thunar sorts using "sort -n", which does not always sort correctly for anything outside English, non-numeric sorting.

[elroy]

I could not configure the touch-pad settings as advised...

Another thing to try is to go to Control Panel-->Hardware-->FlSynclient touchpad settings.

[elroy]

Could Quiterrs be added to Carolina repo.

QuiteRSS is already in the repo, in the internet category. Make sure your Package Lists inside the Package Manager are updated.

[shelezyaka]

What is the reason a setback kernel 3.2.13 in carolina-001, 3.2.8 on a carolina-002-non-pae-light

[shelezyaka]

Another tool for networks.
UMTSmon is a tool to control and monitor a wireless mobile network card (GPRS, EDGE, WCDMA, UMTS, HSDPA) in a laptop running the Linux operating system. It handles PIN codes, operator choice (roaming), signal strength and network statistics, sending/receiving SMS.
It probably also works well with several 3G phones that provide a serial interface in Linux.

It requires a QT-3, in the package are libumtsmon dependence.

The basic package http://yadi.sk/d/5MYbOzS00D4Ep
dependency package http://yadi.sk/d/0RjerF_10D4Gz

[elroy]

What is the reason a setback kernel 3.2.13 in carolina-001, 3.2.8 on a carolina-002-non-pae-light

The official full sized carolina-002 uses the 3.2.13-PAE kernel.

I made a lite version of a non-pae with the 3.2.8 kernel because there have been some who cannot get their system to run with a pae kernel. With it, they can use the custom-builder or the package manager to create a non pae carolina with the packages they desire. It's a way to offer Carolina to a wider group of users.

I also made a lite version of the pae 3.2.13 kernel. This will allow users that want to start out with no pre-installed packages (other than those that woof includes (most of them), and the packages that support xfce). The lite versions are mainly for those that use the custom-builder - it gives them a solid base to build upon.

The lite versions take more know-how, and aren't for everyone. They're mainly for those that are customization fanatics, tinkerers, and those that want a stripped down version. Or need a specialized version. Those that don't have the know-how about using the custom-builder would be better off using the full version of carolina-002.

The lite versions are a side project; they're not official as of yet. They're my way of giving those with the curiosity and the know-how more options for making use of Carolina. As a custom-builder fanatic, it was something that I've always wanted. So I thought maybe there may be a few others that would also enjoy it.

[shelezyaka]

Got it.
Will be translated into Russian only puppy_lina_xxx.sfs.
Rest to taste.

[anikin]

What is the reason a setback kernel 3.2.13 in carolina-001, 3.2.8 on a carolina-002-non-pae-light

The official full sized carolina-002 uses the 3.2.13-PAE kernel.

I also made a lite version of the pae 3.2.13 kernel.

I made a lite version of a non-pae with the 3.2.8 kernel because there have been some who cannot get their system to run with a pae kernel. With it, they can use the custom-builder or the package manager to create a non pae carolina with the packages they desire. It's a way to offer Carolina to a wider group of users.

If a person can't run his system with a pae kernel, give him a non-pae version. But don't stop there - downgrade his kernel. Make the sucker look cheaper. Something doesn't add-up here. Elroy, no hard feelings, just trying to understand the logic.

[Geoffrey]

What is the reason a setback kernel 3.2.13 in carolina-001, 3.2.8 on a carolina-002-non-pae-light

The official full sized carolina-002 uses the 3.2.13-PAE kernel.

I also made a lite version of the pae 3.2.13 kernel.

I made a lite version of a non-pae with the 3.2.8 kernel because there have been some who cannot get their system to run with a pae kernel. With it, they can use the custom-builder or the package manager to create a non pae carolina with the packages they desire. It's a way to offer Carolina to a wider group of users.

If a person can't run his system with a pae kernel, give him a non-pae version. But don't stop there - downgrade his kernel. Make the sucker look cheaper. Something doesn't add-up here. Elroy, no hard feelings, just trying to understand the logic.

These are the only two kernels we have at this time, the 3.2.8 kernel as in Saluki or the pae 3.2.13 kernel, the first choice for Carolina.

[anikin]

Geoffrey, thank you for clarifying this. However, what gets me thinking is this: suppose a person has a system with a PAE supported processor (Intel atom 270 and only 2GB of RAM - eeepc). Which one will be his best bet? PAE - there's not and never will be that much of RAM on this machine. Non-PAE?

[mikeslr]

Thanks elroy for the lite non-pae version. Although the machine I experiment on supports PAE, I prefer a non-pae kernel so that my customized Pup can be easily copied over to computers which don't support pae. I do prefer to choose which apps it uses. And a lite version eliminates my concern that I may be removing something vital.

mikesLr

[Geoffrey]

Geoffrey, thank you for clarifying this. However, what gets me thinking is this: suppose a person has a system with a PAE supported processor (Intel atom 270 and only 2GB of RAM - eeepc). Which one will be his best bet? PAE - there's not and never will be that much of RAM on this machine. Non-PAE?

anikin,
Thanks for the question, though I'm unable to answer, due to the fact I don't have anyway to compare the two kernels on that particular device,
maybe you would like to run some test and post your findings here, on whether there are any major differences in performance,
though most of the reports so far have been surprisingly promising, other than the known bugs that still need to be rectified.

The older kernel wasn't meant to be a substitute for PAE kernel in Carolina, elroy only provided the two lite versions for
anyone who would like to start with a minimalistic version to build on, whether it be the PAE or not. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 903#658903

[Billtoo]

I've added wbar + tint2 to your EXCELLENT carolina 002, the xfce panel
is hidden down the left side of the desktop.
Nice job with carolina 002, it's a keeper for sure

[Sage]

The 754 nV machine was fine, but the 754 with SiS Mirage video (hidden behind the heap during previous testing) proved its usual obdurate self. Apart from the feint (faint?!) brown boot-up text issue, it black-screened from the start. By adding vga=normal to the boot code, it was possible to view the booting text (white on black) as expected, but switching to X, returned to a stubborn blackness which none of the regular expedients could overcome. Nothing, nada - boot codes, blind-key guesswork, pure darkness persists. If I can't see anything I can't switch to a SiS driver, if it's there.
There may be a fix for this well-known feature of SiS misbehaviour but think it needs the magic touch from Mssrs El & G. Sorry, can't remember whether Saluki solved this or one of the other Puppies?
[Elroy: might we know your (approx) location in your visible profile, please? This is immensely helpful in planning a busy round of commitments, as it indicates when we might expect your next session and pearls of wisdom.]

[smokey01]

Guys, just tried 002 and couldn't break it. Good job.

[elroy]

Musiscore 1.0 has been added to the repository. A WYSWYG score editor with playback.

[elroy]

If a person can't run his system with a pae kernel, give him a non-pae version. But don't stop there - downgrade his kernel. Make the sucker look cheaper. Something doesn't add-up here. Elroy, no hard feelings, just trying to understand the logic.

Hmmm. The logic is choice. These are not officially a part of Carolina; you may have come to know that before posting if you had taken the time to read up on the subject. They were made with the sole purpose of giving users more choices. I could easily have stuck solely to the PAE 3.2.13 kernel and said "screw you" to those that can't run PAE. But some of our users expressed the desire to be able to try Carolina with a non-PAE kernel, so I had to use what was available to me at the time.

As far as "no hard feelings", when you submit a post that is as scathing as your post was, without knowing the details before posting it in such a manner, how do you expect there to be "no hard feelings"? You can't have it both ways. I'm not getting paid to do this. You may want to temper your future outbursts to be more reasonable until you know for sure what the details are about which you are posting. Ideally this forum is for people to help each other; you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But to do an all out body slam and then say, "but...hey, no hard feelings" without knowing the concepts behind the subject matter, that is in itself inexcusable and downright rude.

If you want to ask a question because you don't understand something, that's one thing. But to be a rube about it is an entirely different thing all together.

[anikin]

Elroy,
I didn't mean to offend you, and I am really sorry if the wording of my post suggests otherwise. It was a failed attempt to add some irony to the question. I have nothing but respect and admiration for you personally and all the other devs as well as members of this great forum. Now I feel confused and ashamed.