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Re: custom carolina 004

#511 Post by jpup »

elroy wrote: Yes, the adrv config override is by design. It allows the end-user to modify the default configurations to their choosing with the custom-builder. If you're moving things to the main sfs, then it would be necessary to remove them from the adrive. You'll want to leave the things on the adrive in /root/.packages alone, though, else the custom-builder won't operate as expected (nor will Gnewpet).
Hi Elroy :) I'll be checking the tutorials, thanks.

I only use gnewpet with an unmodified adrv/puppy sfs. I also try to preserve and not mess with things I don't understand. There are so many files and components, and I am not yet familiar with many things. I use a combination of the custom builder and manual extraction/editing of the sfs. I try to compare the sfs from the standard/unmodified carolina with the custom ones I had built so I will have some sort of guide, and progress step by step. I also try to inspect the packages and see what I need to change and what I know how to. I also keep a buildnote of everything. Scanning all those directories and files can get confusing sometimes, not to mention the fact that you are working with Identical directories. I also try to keep the integrity of the built-in packages list, I remove the pet/sfs packages from the adrive using the custom builder to reflect the ones I've moved to the main sfs.

My main sfs now loads most of my personal configs, like my panel setups, themes, application preferences, etc.
I've managed to move

lina_xfce-4.10
vattery-0.1
gtk-engines-1.0
gtkglext-1.2.0-i486
gnutls-2.8.5-i486
orage-4.8.3-i486
ffmpeg-0.8.12-1-w5 (modified)
geany-0.19.1-2-carolina
glib-networking-2.30.1-i486

to the main sfs directory. Things seem to work well so far.
I still need to learn a lot of things, and I'm not really good with scripts.

Here are some of the things I am trying to figure out now:
Which file/files/folders/scripts are responsible for the
timezone setup
desktop icons placement/text colors/sizes, etc.
cpu frequency/governor setup
and startup services
and how to prevent the personalize settings wizard from popping up.

I've managed to save all these configs with the custom builder during my older builds, but I just let the builder include my settings and just copied my root to the adrv during those builds, Now I want to learn the more specific things and be able to do a clean build.

Thanks :)

elroy

Re: custom carolina 004

#512 Post by elroy »

jpup wrote:
elroy wrote: Yes, the adrv config override is by design. It allows the end-user to modify the default configurations to their choosing with the custom-builder. If you're moving things to the main sfs, then it would be necessary to remove them from the adrive. You'll want to leave the things on the adrive in /root/.packages alone, though, else the custom-builder won't operate as expected (nor will Gnewpet).
Hi Elroy :) I'll be checking the tutorials, thanks.

I only use gnewpet with an unmodified adrv/puppy sfs. I also try to preserve and not mess with things I don't understand. There are so many files and components, and I am not yet familiar with many things. I use a combination of the custom builder and manual extraction/editing of the sfs. I try to compare the sfs from the standard/unmodified carolina with the custom ones I had built so I will have some sort of guide, and progress step by step. I also try to inspect the packages and see what I need to change and what I know how to. I also keep a buildnote of everything. Scanning all those directories and files can get confusing sometimes, not to mention the fact that you are working with Identical directories. I also try to keep the integrity of the built-in packages list, I remove the pet/sfs packages from the adrive using the custom builder to reflect the ones I've moved to the main sfs.

My main sfs now loads most of my personal configs, like my panel setups, themes, application preferences, etc.
I've managed to move

lina_xfce-4.10
vattery-0.1
gtk-engines-1.0
gtkglext-1.2.0-i486
gnutls-2.8.5-i486
orage-4.8.3-i486
ffmpeg-0.8.12-1-w5 (modified)
geany-0.19.1-2-carolina
glib-networking-2.30.1-i486

to the main sfs directory. Things seem to work well so far.
I still need to learn a lot of things, and I'm not really good with scripts.

Here are some of the things I am trying to figure out now:
Which file/files/folders/scripts are responsible for the
timezone setup
desktop icons placement/text colors/sizes, etc.
cpu frequency/governor setup
and startup services
and how to prevent the personalize settings wizard from popping up.

I've managed to save all these configs with the custom builder during my older builds, but I just let the builder include my settings and just copied my root to the adrv during those builds, Now I want to learn the more specific things and be able to do a clean build.

Thanks :)
Hi jpup,

Just for future reference, this type of post is more applicable to the lina-lite forum. Carolina is intended for new users/windows refugees. But for the record, your questions may have value on this forum also, so I will do my best to answer your queries (that, and I probably would have asked the same type of questions myself if the roles were reversed).

Time-zone setup: after running the 1st run dialog, in /etc there will be two files that you'll need to move to the adrive or main sfs - /etc/localtime (a symlink that won't work unless you've already run the 1st run dialog), and /etc/clock.

desktop icons placement/text colors/sizes, etc.: these can be configured via the control panel using the ControlPanel --> Desktop --> XfcePowerTools application. I wrote this application, so if you have any further questions regarding it, I'd be more than qualified to answer them. Essentially, when finished editing, it'll create a hidden file in the root directory in the path as /root/.gtkrc-2.0. Copy this to your adrive (or main sfs). If you want to know how it works, open the script in a text editor; there are abundant comments that describe its' inner workings.

cpu frequency/governor setup: Once you've set up the acpid from the control panel, the files needed to use for subsequent usage is /etc/wcpufreqdriver.

"and how to prevent the personalize settings wizard from popping up" if you mean by this the dialog that appears on a clean boot, then all you need to include on the adrive/main sfs is a blank file in /etc, called firstrun. This file need not be executable, just a plain file. If you'd like to know how to avoid having the save upon exit appear (no save-file, and not wanting a save-file query) let me know and I can help you with that, also.

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Re: custom carolina 004

#513 Post by jpup »

elroy wrote: Just for future reference, this type of post is more applicable to the lina-lite forum. Carolina is intended for new users/windows refugees. But for the record, your questions may have value on this forum also, so I will do my best to answer your queries (that, and I probably would have asked the same type of questions myself if the roles were reversed).
Thanks Elroy, and sorry. But I honestly think that these things are considerably basic, and would be embarassing to post on an advanced forum like the lite thread.

I also think that anyone could probably accomplish this, if we give them some useable guide or reference. As these modifications/changes will likely be the first things a user would want to figure out. Nice pdf tutorial by the way. It seems you already have the carolina 005 :)

So, you created xfce powertools :) I actually didn't know how to use that until carolina 003 came out. I was able to include those settings in my previous builds, but I've noticed my icons changes alignment if the configs were preloaded in the sfs, compared to loading from a save file, which seems to keep my preferred icon arrangement/positions.

Regarding the firstrun file, I thought I needed to delete that :) so it wouldn't detect first run? :D

Anyway, carolina is proving to be very flexible. And once a user learns/acquires his building technique, there are many possibilities :D

And yes I would be happy to learn the save/not save modifications, as well as a lot of other things :)

Thanks :D

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#514 Post by pchan »

I installed carolina 04.

I was and still am a fan of saluki023. Therefore, I am happy to see "carolina puppy."

I discovered 1 problem so far.

After installing "wine" from pakage manager, I cannot find wine in the menu. Also, usually the installation of wine will automatically download and install something called "wine-gecko." But this did not happen for some reasons.

I hope this caan be solved because i really need to install some windows program via "wine."

Thanks!

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wine

#515 Post by jpup »

pchan wrote:I installed carolina 04.

I was and still am a fan of saluki023. Therefore, I am happy to see "carolina puppy."

I discovered 1 problem so far.

After installing "wine" from pakage manager, I cannot find wine in the menu. Also, usually the installation of wine will automatically download and install something called "wine-gecko." But this did not happen for some reasons.

I hope this caan be solved because i really need to install some windows program via "wine."

Thanks!
Hi pchan, I checked wine regarding your post... and it seems to work fine, you can find the "wine windows program loader" in the UTILITY category of the applications menu.

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thanks

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Re: wine

#516 Post by pchan »

Hi pchan, I checked wine regarding your post... and it seems to work fine, you can find the "wine windows program loader" in the UTILITY category of the applications menu.


thanks
Hi Jpup,

Thanks a lot! Yes, I found it. My saluki has been set up sometime ago and i have forgotten how i set it up with wine and everything that i needed. So, "wine" is installed after all. That's really nice!

Any idea how I can change the curly fonts that appear when in the process of installing wine programs? If not its ok. I noticed that after the installation, the curly curly fonts doesn't appear on the program itself. Just during installations.

I also noticed that thunar loads up faster than carolina 003.

Thanks!

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#517 Post by rg66 »

Swapped the kids 14" monitor which only gave a resolution of 800x600 for a 17" set to 1024x768. Every reboot it defaults to 1280x1024, and I'm using a save file. Why won't it hold my settings?

Edit: Running XorgWizard and choosing resolution there holds the settings on reboot.
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Re: wine

#518 Post by jpup »

pchan wrote:Any idea how I can change the curly fonts that appear when in the process of installing wine programs? If not its ok. I noticed that after the installation, the curly curly fonts doesn't appear on the program itself. Just during installations.
I haven't really noticed those fonts as I run mostly portable versions of windows apps in wine, sorry. You could try changing your fonts, not really sure if it will have any effect.

rg66 wrote:Every reboot it defaults to 1280x1024, and I'm using a save file. Why won't it hold my settings?
I get something like that when I boot carolina in virtualbox. My resolution always defaults to 1600x1200 as soon as I restart xwindows

elroy

Re: custom carolina 004

#519 Post by elroy »

jpup wrote:It seems you already have the carolina 005 :)
When one version is finished, I start on the next. Fringe benefit?
jpup wrote:I was able to include those settings in my previous builds, but I've noticed my icons changes alignment if the configs were preloaded in the sfs, compared to loading from a save file, which seems to keep my preferred icon arrangement/positions.
You have to remember that puppy is built upon a layered file system. The top layers will override the bottom layers (adrive is on top of the main sfs, but underneath the savfefile).
jpup wrote:Anyway, carolina is proving to be very flexible. And once a user learns/acquires his building technique, there are many possibilities :D
Yes, there are a quite lot of possibilities here.
jpup wrote:And yes I would be happy to learn the save/not save modifications
The file you’d need to alter is /usr/bin/pupsaveconfig. First, create a backup of the original. Then edit the original to only contain the following:

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#! /bin/bash

PUPSAVECONF=/etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf
PRECHOICE=no

cat <<EOF > $PUPSAVECONF
PRECHOICE=no
POPUP=false
EJECTCD=true
VERBOSE=false
EOF
Remember to ensure that the file permission is set to executable. After doing this, you will no longer get the create savefile at shutdown dialog, which of course would only be useful if you wish to run without a savefile.

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#520 Post by rg66 »

Sorted the resolution thing so on to the next issue. After a remaster, wireless won't detect my network when it was working fine before.

Edit: Switched to Simple Network Setup, it detected network. Remastered again and it saved the settings, works great. Maybe a Frisbee issue?
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Re: custom carolina 004

#521 Post by rg66 »

elroy wrote:
The file you’d need to alter is /usr/bin/pupsaveconfig. First, create a backup of the original. Then edit the original to only contain the following:

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#! /bin/bash

PUPSAVECONF=/etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf
PRECHOICE=no

cat <<EOF > $PUPSAVECONF
PRECHOICE=no
POPUP=false
EJECTCD=true
VERBOSE=false
EOF
Remember to ensure that the file permission is set to executable. After doing this, you will no longer get the create savefile at shutdown dialog, which of course would only be useful if you wish to run without a savefile.
I added PRECHOICE=no right to /etc/rc.d/pupsave.conf and it also works.

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PRECHOICE=no
POPUP=false
EJECTCD=true
VERBOSE=
Edit: It appears that if you haven't made a savefile there is no pupsave.conf. I just made a file named pupsave.conf and put the above code in and it shutsdown/reboots without saving.
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md5sum check in Carolina

#522 Post by don570 »

I put MD5 sum checker (also sha-1) in 'SendTo' menu

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 870#670870


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#523 Post by gcmartin »

anikin wrote:Geoffrey, thank you for clarifying this. However, what gets me thinking is this: suppose a person has a system with a PAE supported processor (Intel atom 270 and only 2GB of RAM - eeepc). Which one will be his best bet? PAE - there's not and never will be that much of RAM on this machine. Non-PAE?
both of these would suit the PC fine. PAE and non-PAE perform about equal in all situations with RAM less than 3.5GB.

We MUST remember that all PAE does is to take advantage of a hardware feature for accessing RAM done for our benefit in 32bit processing.

Because the work is done in hardware it has little impact one way or the other for damping/improving RAM access.

PAE functionality just makes Linux aware for using that hardware....no matter how much RAM is physically on your PC.

One reason the Carolina authors selected PAE (I think) is because the hardware feature has been put in MOST every 32bit (and included in 64bit) CPUs since its introduction by Intel and AMD in 1995. It has a 17 year history where there is no known negative impact on OS operations.

The users should not look for any bias, one way or the other, as most PCs and PC users today are using 512MB-1GB or larger PCs. Thus, assuming one's PC is among the many, and it runs PAE, Carolina (and all 32bit PUPs presenting PAE) will work on EVERY Pentium forward machine no matter how much RAM it has....1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, etc to 64GB. In most cases, I have seen that the ISO is less than 10MB bigger, but the running RAM footprint is about the same.

What makes Puppy unique and why this version is necessary is how 32bit Puppy Linux using the remaining RAM after it boots. This is why DVD/CD oeprations match/exceed installed HDD operations: Puppy maps the remaining RAM, after initial boot, into a useable filesystem. Thats a hardware hard-drive in RAM usable for system and user operations.

This is one the most clever ways of taking advantage of all RAM that is not used to run the system. Its just downright clever! And, one can easily see that this has benefit no matter how much RAM one would have...the more RAM, obviously, the bigger the RAM drive that would be available. To me, this is a poor-man's SSD.

Hope that helps

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Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker

#524 Post by don570 »

Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker

I was able to get Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker to work

It requires 4 files to be installed
(The order of installation doesn't matter)

1) libsamplerate (any version. I posted below
the smallest I found on forum)

2) ffmeg from carolina repository
http://smokey01.com/carolina/pet_packages-carolina/

3) Special version of Sox and Imagination 3.0
found HERE


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smallest possible libsamplerate
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Re: Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker

#525 Post by Geoffrey »

don570 wrote:Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker

I was able to get Imagination 3.0 slideshow maker to work
Thanks don570,

I've repacked this to use the existing dependencies in the Carolina repo, there was version 2.1 that wasn't that good, but this one is a lot better with the transitions.
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#526 Post by Bligh »

I downloaded and burned 004 on another computer and it seems to be working properly.
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#527 Post by Bligh »

Can someone show me where to learn more about adrive and zdrive?
Cheers

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#528 Post by smokey01 »

Bligh wrote:Can someone show me where to learn more about adrive and zdrive?
Cheers
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SalukiTips?show_comments=1

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#529 Post by Bligh »

Thanks, I saved that page.
Cheers

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How to Change Kernels with Custom Builder?

#530 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,
Its not my intention to start a war over the PAE kernel issue. Perhaps, as gcmartin says, the hardware to support it has been around since 1997. But I have a Thinkpad T42 manufactured in 2004 which will not boot kernels that are PAE enabled. I doubt that earlier Thinkpads will, and Thinkpads were fairly popular in part because they were robustly made and so still may be around in large numbers. And if IBM wasn't producing Laptops which didn't need and could not use more than 3.5gbs of RAM, why would IBM's competors incur the expense? So I suspect that any owners of such Thinkpads, and perhaps comparable laptops, looking to replace ancient XP OSes with a state of the art OS will discover Puppies and be disappointed that they just won't run: worse, sufficiently turned off by having wasted time and effort to download and burn a disk to never look at Puppy again.
Of course, there are other Puppies, and Carolina --like Precise-- is targeted to "newer" machines. I'm just suggesting that "newer" may be "newer" than Barry K and the Devs think.
Carolina 002, if I remember correctly, used a non-PAE-enabled kernel. But it's no longer available for download. And, I think Elroy or Geoffrey indicated an intention to someday publish another non-PAE version. But in the meantime I figured --having read somewhere that it's easy to change kernels using Custom Builder-- why not do so on my Quod-core and port it over to my Thinkpad.
By the way, Elroy and Geoffrey, Custom Builder works great in creating one's own adrive. I really appreciate that. But this was the first time I tried to change kernels. Got to the part which requires you to browse to your "kernel package." What's a kernel package? Something different than a Kernel Source? Where do you get an alternate kernel package?
I know there's a thread on how to switch kernels --I think started by jrb. But that involves de-constructing two Puppies in order to build a new one. Not easy, and certainly not something I'd expect to have to do in the middle of a running "wizard." Finally, thought of searching various repos for "kernel packages" and discovered "kernel_sources-3.2.13-ski.sfs" here:http://www.smokey01.com/menu/. I downloaded it and intend to run Custom Builder and point it to the download.
Am I on the right track? If not, how does one acquire a "kernel package?" And if so, does anyone know of similar packages?

Thanks in advance,

mikesLr

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