Precise Puppy 5.4 and 5.4.2
- Sulphurcocky
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3G Modem
Trying more puppies recently I still cannot get my Huawei E160x 3G Modem
With Amaysim/Optus (Sydney,Australia) to work natively with puppy
All I need is the APN the phone number #99whatever and CHAP. that is fine
I have to revert to Mobile Partner version 11 or something.
In Precise it recognizes the modem and tells me so but even with the modem switch I cannot get, GSM connect to work for me. no ttyUSB,
Once Mobile Partner is installed, the USB_Mode_Switch Flipflopping the CD/Modem actually causes the modem to repeatedly be plugged in and then unplugged by the software a few times before Mobile Partner settles down and recognizes the modem, once connected Blinky works and I can view the info on statistics and see the Modem hardware next to etho and Lo.
I don't have any better luck with earlier puppies, Gnome network manager works fine in large distros, but I notices that Mobile Partner manages the toggle between mobile bands UMTS & HSDPA better that the Network manager
In the help file Barry mentioned that he used an E160 and wanted some more info so I add it here that it could help.
Now I'll get the new ISO.
With Amaysim/Optus (Sydney,Australia) to work natively with puppy
All I need is the APN the phone number #99whatever and CHAP. that is fine
I have to revert to Mobile Partner version 11 or something.
In Precise it recognizes the modem and tells me so but even with the modem switch I cannot get, GSM connect to work for me. no ttyUSB,
Once Mobile Partner is installed, the USB_Mode_Switch Flipflopping the CD/Modem actually causes the modem to repeatedly be plugged in and then unplugged by the software a few times before Mobile Partner settles down and recognizes the modem, once connected Blinky works and I can view the info on statistics and see the Modem hardware next to etho and Lo.
I don't have any better luck with earlier puppies, Gnome network manager works fine in large distros, but I notices that Mobile Partner manages the toggle between mobile bands UMTS & HSDPA better that the Network manager
In the help file Barry mentioned that he used an E160 and wanted some more info so I add it here that it could help.
Now I'll get the new ISO.
devx
Everything working nicely.
Not sure if this is a bug, but the usual compile line for Gtk programs didn't work.
Should the invocation be different?
EDIT: To answer my own question - Yes.
Works
Cheers,
s
Not sure if this is a bug, but the usual compile line for Gtk programs didn't work.
Code: Select all
gcc `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags` menu.c -o menu -lgtk-x11-2.0
EDIT: To answer my own question - Yes.
Code: Select all
gcc -o menu menu.c `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0`
Cheers,
s
RE:
As I said this problem affects most current distros and relates to the Nvidia "Optimus" technology for power savings on the GPU in dual display situations, usually with an integrated intel video and nvidia combination. I imagine this technology will rear it's head more and more and present ongoing problems for linux. The bumblebee project http://bumblebee-project.org/ is set up especially to solve this problem, and I have heard that a fix for the optimus problem is in place in the latest kernel version.
On Ubuntu Precise it is possible to boot into vesa mode by adding nomodeset on the command line on boot, even if the resolution is not ideal at least you can get a desktop displayed. I tried pressing F3 on Puppy live distro 5.4 beta boot and entering "puppy nomodeset pfix=vesa,ram" which should have had the same result, but to no avail the kernel did not appear to accept the command or at least did not put X into vesa mode.
If I can get nomodeset to work, then I can play around with a fix for the native video driver I assume that is nouveau being based on precise
Can anyone help with getting Puppy to boot to Vesa - I also tried vga=ask that changed the mode OK, text for boot came up in suitably small display but still went into graphics mode with the native driver active and black screen with blink.
So any suggestions anyone?
Sorry Barry, I thought I was explicit enough re the problem of the black screen, and I am persevering with Puppy because I believe your majestic efforts have resulted in a superb compact distro."I often don't respond to a bug report simply because I haven't got a clue how to fix it. If someone reports a "black screen", there is not much to go on.
Often the only apparent solution is to use some other puplet or even other distro that does work with that hardware."
As I said this problem affects most current distros and relates to the Nvidia "Optimus" technology for power savings on the GPU in dual display situations, usually with an integrated intel video and nvidia combination. I imagine this technology will rear it's head more and more and present ongoing problems for linux. The bumblebee project http://bumblebee-project.org/ is set up especially to solve this problem, and I have heard that a fix for the optimus problem is in place in the latest kernel version.
On Ubuntu Precise it is possible to boot into vesa mode by adding nomodeset on the command line on boot, even if the resolution is not ideal at least you can get a desktop displayed. I tried pressing F3 on Puppy live distro 5.4 beta boot and entering "puppy nomodeset pfix=vesa,ram" which should have had the same result, but to no avail the kernel did not appear to accept the command or at least did not put X into vesa mode.
If I can get nomodeset to work, then I can play around with a fix for the native video driver I assume that is nouveau being based on precise
Can anyone help with getting Puppy to boot to Vesa - I also tried vga=ask that changed the mode OK, text for boot came up in suitably small display but still went into graphics mode with the native driver active and black screen with blink.
So any suggestions anyone?
Last edited by Peter.M on Sat 10 Nov 2012, 04:04, edited 1 time in total.
Hello Peter.M...and...Sulphurcocky.
Nice to see a few more Aussies on the forum.
Sulphurcocky....wireless etc.
tempestuous is a good person to ask.
rcrsn51...rerwin...and plenty of others provide solid advice.
Tethering...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77767
Chris.
Nice to see a few more Aussies on the forum.
Sulphurcocky....wireless etc.
tempestuous is a good person to ask.
rcrsn51...rerwin...and plenty of others provide solid advice.
Tethering...
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77767
Chris.
Another Frisbee-3.0 update, 20121108.
I have uploaded an improved-but-not-yet-perfect version of the integrated Frisbee network manager, to make the pop-up messages more readable without slowing the initialization of networks. I also added the switching between versions of the network tray.
Peebee pointed out to me that the messages each delay network initialization by at least 6 seconds. And, because they all appeared at the same position on the screen, some could be obscured by others. I corrected that by placing the "announcement" messages at the bottom-left of the screen and the status messages at the bottom center. Messages will be delayed in those spots if another is being displayed. So, the messages may appear in sequence even though the processing is not delayed by them.
Previously, the network tray was selected only at boot time and only if Frisbee was the selected default "network setup tool". Now, when Frisbee is invoked through the "connect wizard", it will change to the Frisbee-network tray upon exit via the "exit" button. Canceling Frisbee by way of the "X" button does not trigger the swap. To switch back, the "woof-updates" package switches back to the normal network-tray icon if anything other than Frisbee is chosen.
However, there remains a malfunction that occurs the first time Frisbee is selected in a session. Upon exit, Frisbee appears to abort without running to the end of the script, so the swap does not occur. Subsequent selections of Frisbee seem to perform the swap. This behavior appears to cause no harm and corrects itself on an immediate second selection of Frisbee. I continue to investigate that.
The Frisbee and woof-update 20121108 packages are on page 15 here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 521#662521 for Frisbee
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 518#662518 for woof_updates
For testing, be sure to have the remaining packages at the woof_updates link also installed (except for the old woof_update-20121101).
Richard
UPDATE 11/10/2012: Due to faulty testing, the greyed-out wireless tab was erroneously announced as fixed. It is not fixed. The problem was that the indications of acquired interfaces were not being set. Please replace it with the now-corrected package at the above Frisbee link. Sorry for wasting your time.
UPDATE 11/11/2012: Uploaded new versions of the packages at the above links, to improve the usability. Please try them. Thanks.
UPDATE 11/12/2012: Uploaded new versions of the woof-updates and frisbee packages at the above links, to continue improvements to the usability. Modified Frisbee to allow it to run in slacko, as well.
R
Peebee pointed out to me that the messages each delay network initialization by at least 6 seconds. And, because they all appeared at the same position on the screen, some could be obscured by others. I corrected that by placing the "announcement" messages at the bottom-left of the screen and the status messages at the bottom center. Messages will be delayed in those spots if another is being displayed. So, the messages may appear in sequence even though the processing is not delayed by them.
Previously, the network tray was selected only at boot time and only if Frisbee was the selected default "network setup tool". Now, when Frisbee is invoked through the "connect wizard", it will change to the Frisbee-network tray upon exit via the "exit" button. Canceling Frisbee by way of the "X" button does not trigger the swap. To switch back, the "woof-updates" package switches back to the normal network-tray icon if anything other than Frisbee is chosen.
However, there remains a malfunction that occurs the first time Frisbee is selected in a session. Upon exit, Frisbee appears to abort without running to the end of the script, so the swap does not occur. Subsequent selections of Frisbee seem to perform the swap. This behavior appears to cause no harm and corrects itself on an immediate second selection of Frisbee. I continue to investigate that.
The Frisbee and woof-update 20121108 packages are on page 15 here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 521#662521 for Frisbee
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 518#662518 for woof_updates
For testing, be sure to have the remaining packages at the woof_updates link also installed (except for the old woof_update-20121101).
Richard
UPDATE 11/10/2012: Due to faulty testing, the greyed-out wireless tab was erroneously announced as fixed. It is not fixed. The problem was that the indications of acquired interfaces were not being set. Please replace it with the now-corrected package at the above Frisbee link. Sorry for wasting your time.
UPDATE 11/11/2012: Uploaded new versions of the packages at the above links, to improve the usability. Please try them. Thanks.
UPDATE 11/12/2012: Uploaded new versions of the woof-updates and frisbee packages at the above links, to continue improvements to the usability. Modified Frisbee to allow it to run in slacko, as well.
R
Last edited by rerwin on Tue 13 Nov 2012, 05:35, edited 4 times in total.
Mouse Frozen FIXED in 5.4.1
Nice to boot first time with a working mouse.
You're behaving like a three year old, Barry. I spent a lot of time and effort to describe a very serious problem with Puppy 5.4, and you simply ignored my efforts and can't offer a coherent explanation. Where's the "nonsense"?BarryK wrote:Oh please!!!!otropogo wrote:Ignoring bug reports because you dislike the poster simply undermines confidence in your work, as well as discouraging essential feedback.
What nonsense.
This is one example of many that have contributed to my desire to withdraw from the "frontline" development.
Do you really believe your selective responses are not noticed by forum readers, or that they don't discourage potential posters? Can you really think that such behaviour doesn't undermine confidence in potential Puppy adopters?
Stomping your feet and threatening to take your ball home in response to criticism is just making things worse.
otropogo@gmail.com facebook.com/otropogo
otropogo,otropogo wrote:Do you really believe your selective responses are not noticed by forum readers, or that they don't discourage potential posters? Can you really think that such behaviour doesn't undermine confidence in potential Puppy adopters?
please get discouraged and lose your confidence!
While doing that you may want to read this in case it helps
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ATI+X1550+linux+driverotropogo wrote:You're behaving like a three year old, Barry. I spent a lot of time and effort to describe a very serious problem with Puppy 5.4, and you simply ignored my efforts and can't offer a coherent explanation. Where's the "nonsense"?BarryK wrote:Oh please!!!!otropogo wrote:Ignoring bug reports because you dislike the poster simply undermines confidence in your work, as well as discouraging essential feedback.
What nonsense.
This is one example of many that have contributed to my desire to withdraw from the "frontline" development.
Do you really believe your selective responses are not noticed by forum readers, or that they don't discourage potential posters? Can you really think that such behaviour doesn't undermine confidence in potential Puppy adopters?
Stomping your feet and threatening to take your ball home in response to criticism is just making things worse.
Good music also helps to relax when you dont like that someone say no.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/39800 ... -flame-war
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/39800 ... -flame-war
- technosaurus
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Lost cause. BTW if anyone has a real issue that o...o has already posted, you may want to go ahead and re-post it, since he has pissed off just about everyone who actually has the ability to fix issues to the point where we don't even read his posts. Sorry for the inconvenience.mavrothal wrote:otropogo,
please get discouraged and lose your confidence!
While doing that you may want to read this in case it helps
Check out my [url=https://github.com/technosaurus]github repositories[/url]. I may eventually get around to updating my [url=http://bashismal.blogspot.com]blogspot[/url].
For those who may be assisted by this RE video problem with nvidia dual display with optimus on puppy precise 5.4.1. I have just been able to boot into vesa mode from live cd using F3/F3 with parameter puppy acpi=off ..... It turns out nomodeset was not necessary. However once on the desktop, the video wizard probe tells me 1920*1080 is available but hangs on the test. Bumblebee may hold the answer to using full resolution graphics.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Barry, not a big matter, but the download link http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precise-5.4.0.90/ in the
'Precise Puppy 5.4.1beta1' release message dated 6 Nov 2012, on top of your blog, reports '404 - not found'.
tallboy
Edit:
This post is placed in the incorrect thread, a copy is posted in the Precise Puppy 5.4.1 thread. BTW, how do you delete a post?
tallboy
'Precise Puppy 5.4.1beta1' release message dated 6 Nov 2012, on top of your blog, reports '404 - not found'.
tallboy
Edit:
This post is placed in the incorrect thread, a copy is posted in the Precise Puppy 5.4.1 thread. BTW, how do you delete a post?
tallboy
True freedom is a live Puppy on a multisession CD/DVD.
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distoted display
I was able to get working correctly by booting on another machine, commenting out the /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.conf /modeset=1 line. Did a save then booted on to amd machine with nomodeset option install the amd-fglrx-pet. rebooted without the nomodeset option and now everything works.
If you'd been around here a few years back, you'd know that I'm not talking about myself. You might also remember when Puppy prided itself on being easy for newbies to use...mavrothal wrote:..
otropogo,
please get discouraged and lose your confidence!
While doing that you may want to read this in case it helps
And why would anyone search the WEB to figure out how something that previously worked in Puppy is broken in the latest version, when the programmer who did the major work on both is supposedly waiting eagerly for such problem reports?
Believe it or not, I don't get any joy out of spending hours rebooting my system, making notes about all of the unintelligible error messages and nonsensical results, and then typing them up.
MY time is no less valuable to me than yours or Barry's. So yeah, when my effort gets kicked to the curb without explanation or apology, followed by vague insults, I'm put out. Any sensible person would be.
But note that I initially voiced my disappointment politely, whereas the response was vitriolic.
What happened after that is unfortunate but understandable. I have no wish to antagonize anyone, but I'm not about to respond to a totally unwarranted verbal lashing by kissing butt.
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Gimp install not working
I installed precise puppy 5.4 to HD on older laptop.
Was running lucid puppy no issues.
I then rebooted and installed or tried to install gimp 2.6 via the package manger...
It tells me i have missing dependencies.
I tell it examine and then let it start loading.Says it found 19 dependencies.
I have tried two different sources and get the same results.
Now it installs about 5-6 packages or so then i get a pop up filled with squares instead of text. each button is also filled with squares instead of text.
No way to know how to exit, closing dialogs produces the same effect.
Now i assumed it was a missing package and clicked the cancel button on each popup (or that location).
The install finishes but we still have no text for 95% of the windows. even the system popups are borked.
Rebooting makes every Icon an !. and the text under each into a square.
Every attempt to load a program produces a popup with square rather than text.
This distro is now non functional until you blow away the install and re do it.
Also cannot screenshot issue as all programs have no text in them at all and do not know the screens well enough to take a shot from button placement.
Think i will be moving back to either lucid or looking for another distro entirely.
Was running lucid puppy no issues.
I then rebooted and installed or tried to install gimp 2.6 via the package manger...
It tells me i have missing dependencies.
I tell it examine and then let it start loading.Says it found 19 dependencies.
I have tried two different sources and get the same results.
Now it installs about 5-6 packages or so then i get a pop up filled with squares instead of text. each button is also filled with squares instead of text.
No way to know how to exit, closing dialogs produces the same effect.
Now i assumed it was a missing package and clicked the cancel button on each popup (or that location).
The install finishes but we still have no text for 95% of the windows. even the system popups are borked.
Rebooting makes every Icon an !. and the text under each into a square.
Every attempt to load a program produces a popup with square rather than text.
This distro is now non functional until you blow away the install and re do it.
Also cannot screenshot issue as all programs have no text in them at all and do not know the screens well enough to take a shot from button placement.
Think i will be moving back to either lucid or looking for another distro entirely.
Re: Gimp install not working
I've been fairly happy with the latest version of lupuplus myself, but maybe that's because I brought my 2sf files from 4.3.x along.MikeDAdams wrote:I installed precise puppy 5.4 to HD on older laptop.
Was running lucid puppy no issues.
I then rebooted and installed or tried to install gimp 2.6 via the package manger...
...
This distro is now non functional until you blow away the install and re do it.
Also cannot screenshot issue as all programs have no text in them at all and do not know the screens well enough to take a shot from button placement.
Think i will be moving back to either lucid or looking for another distro entirely.
I'd suggest you give Lazypup a try before abandoning Puppy altogether.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=420
(get the English build #3, with the md5sum ending in "626" - the first page of the thread is a bit confusing as to the latest version - click on the download link on the page linked above)
But if you decide to jump ship, do try Knoppix 7.0.4 LiveDVD. I have it installed to an 8GB microSD card (leaving 4GB of space available for installing and configuring additional apps), from which it loads in under a minute, and find it to be the most trouble-free live distro ever. And I'm told it is easily installable to hard drive.
It installed to USB without a hitch using its internal flash installer, boots and loads interchangeably on my two aging desktops and my three or four year old laptop, and autoinstalls and configures the latter's Realtek wifi modem (which has proven impossible even with ndiswrapper and the Windows 7 drivers under lupu_528). And there is a choice of packet management apps that work with the deb repositories (not always successfully, but never disastrously, in my limited experience).
The Knoppix English forum, although nowhere near as busy as the puppy forums, is quite helpful and generally polite, and Klaus Knopper himself is quite approachable and not overly prickly.
otropogo@gmail.com facebook.com/otropogo
MikeDAdams,
Precise 5.4 is buggy.
The latest version is Precise 5.4.1
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precise-5.4.1/
Issues with Gimp in Precise
http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00005
Precise 5.4 is buggy.
The latest version is Precise 5.4.1
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precise-5.4.1/
Issues with Gimp in Precise
http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00005
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
I had a similar experience on an older computer. On repeat, just before shutdown finished, a message blinked by, and I became suspicious. I discovered a hidden process apparently searching for a place to save the session file.akash_rawal wrote: Posted: Tue 06 Nov 2012, 14:36
Finished downloading precise 5.4. Testing it reveals several problems.
On first boot it refused to save the session. After asking for save file name it rebooted without saving session. Next time I ran wmreboot in terminal but this time it worked properly. Will try again to reproduce the problem.
...
This reminded me of the sagacity of a UI design gem discovered by Disney while designing Mickey Mouse cartoons - without a progress indicator (or other fair warning) you may assume nothing's happening/happened, and move on ...
jwmrc-personal key-mask / key keycode problem
I stumbled across this issue whilst working on a re-master of 5.4.1 but have found that it exists in every pup I
have tried including Slacko 5.3.3. The re-master is devoid of desktop & taskbar icons and working key-masks and
key keycode entries are mission critical.
The problem is that they ALL cease to function when the window or windows are minimised to the taskbar.
It is easily reproducable as follows and may be a Woof or JWM issue.
A typical mask would be
<Key mask="CS" key="c">exec:PupControl</Key> ------ CTRL+SHIFT+C
or in Slacko:
<Key keycode="111">exec:mtpaintsnapshot.sh</Key> --- Print Screen key
To Reproduce / Does binding work?
1. Boot to desktop YES
2. Launch say pfind YES
3. Minimise pfind NO
4. Exit pfind NO
5. Restart JWM NO
6. Restart X YES
Sometimes restoring the window re-enables the mappings.
In most of my pups I routinely deploy mappings for my multimedia keys and had on occasion pressed a button to no
avail. I had incorrectly attributed this to dodgy buttons but always had an icon to click on instead so it had not been
a big issue.
Perhaps there is a workaround using Xbindkeys or Xmodmap?
have tried including Slacko 5.3.3. The re-master is devoid of desktop & taskbar icons and working key-masks and
key keycode entries are mission critical.
The problem is that they ALL cease to function when the window or windows are minimised to the taskbar.
It is easily reproducable as follows and may be a Woof or JWM issue.
A typical mask would be
<Key mask="CS" key="c">exec:PupControl</Key> ------ CTRL+SHIFT+C
or in Slacko:
<Key keycode="111">exec:mtpaintsnapshot.sh</Key> --- Print Screen key
To Reproduce / Does binding work?
1. Boot to desktop YES
2. Launch say pfind YES
3. Minimise pfind NO
4. Exit pfind NO
5. Restart JWM NO
6. Restart X YES
Sometimes restoring the window re-enables the mappings.
In most of my pups I routinely deploy mappings for my multimedia keys and had on occasion pressed a button to no
avail. I had incorrectly attributed this to dodgy buttons but always had an icon to click on instead so it had not been
a big issue.
Perhaps there is a workaround using Xbindkeys or Xmodmap?
Regards ETP
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