Legacy OS 2 & 4 are you a User? Who am I developing for?
- john biles
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Hello slimhunter,
On some computers this has been a long standing problem which originates from the creator of Puppy (Barry K) belief that Puppy would aways be under 256mb's in size. When Developers like me come a long and increase the size of the iso above 256mb's his script or file decides to try and load the sfs file in to ram that's not big enough anyway. In the past I've posted for advice on this which never ended with a solution except one!
If you can pull out some RAM so you only have 128mb's Legacy OS 4 Mini will run off the CD and allow a full Hard Drive install. I use this trick all the time. Once Legacy OS 4 Mini is installed, replace the RAM and away you go.
On some computers this has been a long standing problem which originates from the creator of Puppy (Barry K) belief that Puppy would aways be under 256mb's in size. When Developers like me come a long and increase the size of the iso above 256mb's his script or file decides to try and load the sfs file in to ram that's not big enough anyway. In the past I've posted for advice on this which never ended with a solution except one!
If you can pull out some RAM so you only have 128mb's Legacy OS 4 Mini will run off the CD and allow a full Hard Drive install. I use this trick all the time. Once Legacy OS 4 Mini is installed, replace the RAM and away you go.
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
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i've got to suggest a really useful pet: minitube.
it's an app that lets you see youtube vids at good quality and from a destop interface without using flash. you'll be able to see videos without lag even in a crappy pc as the p3 800mhz i'm using right now. it it's already available for dpup exprimo and i've tried it in the past with a previous xubuntu 9.04 install.
check it out, it could be a killer app for this distro, it'll help you to fill the lack of many other distros for old PCs
it's an app that lets you see youtube vids at good quality and from a destop interface without using flash. you'll be able to see videos without lag even in a crappy pc as the p3 800mhz i'm using right now. it it's already available for dpup exprimo and i've tried it in the past with a previous xubuntu 9.04 install.
check it out, it could be a killer app for this distro, it'll help you to fill the lack of many other distros for old PCs
Legacy OS 4 Mini is now mirrored
Just a quick note to let everyone know that I've added Legacy OS 4 Mini to my Puppy page, so now both versions of Legacy OS are available there.
Thanks to John for all the hard work! It's a real gem and I appreciate your efforts.
Cheers,
Sully
Thanks to John for all the hard work! It's a real gem and I appreciate your efforts.
Cheers,
Sully
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- Colonel Panic
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Just to bump this; now that I'm back on my old computer, I decided to do a full install of OS4 to a clean partition. It worked well and looked great (especially with the Karamba sidebar) until I opened an old Open Office spreadsheet file in Gnumeric with Firefox still running. At this point my system froze and I had to "break" the display with Ctrl-Alt-Delete - after which I wasn't able to get XOrg back and had to revert to XVesa, which I dislike.
I'm using Puppy Deeper Thought for the time being, which I like anyway so it's not a disaster for me, but I'd still like to get the X Windows installation back properly in os4. Could someone please tell me how to do that?
Best,
CP .
I'm using Puppy Deeper Thought for the time being, which I like anyway so it's not a disaster for me, but I'd still like to get the X Windows installation back properly in os4. Could someone please tell me how to do that?
Best,
CP .
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
- Colonel Panic
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An update; I'm posting from a live copy of Legacy OS4 now and it's working well so I'll probably do another full reinstall soon. It does seem to run "heavy" as Puppy derivatives go though; with nine tabs open in Firefox and no other apps running, the sidebar is showing between 495 and 498 MB of RAM being used out of a total of 512 MB and 732 MB of swap (out of a total of 1545 MB).
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
Removing Karamba
Hi CP, just a suggestion. I completely removed Karamba. That seemed to help. I hope to make it back to Legacy OS4 soon. Been trying to figure out the flash problems and working on some other things right now. But back to Karamba. For me, it was an unnecessary item. I would rather place my icons on the desktop. Probably because I don't have a wide screen monitor. Hope this helps, Rob
- john biles
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Hello Colonel Panic,
Testing on Pentium III based computers showed that the Karamba sidebar consumes about 6% of your available CPU power while say a 3Ghz Pentium 4 uses on 1% of CPU power. To disable the sidebar and stop it starting during bootup, unhide .xinitrc in root open it with geany and place a # at the start of the line /usr/bin/karamba & so it looks like this #/usr/bin/karamba & and save.
In truth I use Legacy OS 2 on my Pentium III computers as I find it more stable than Legacy OS 4 Mini. Legacy OS 2 is more battle ready for day to day use and that's why currently I'm working on an "Update Pack" for Legacy OS 2 and not 4.
Hello oligin10,
I've never experienced a problem with flash 11 in Legacy OS 4 mini. Even the current version 11.2 works. It's strange your experiencing problems with Flash?
Testing on Pentium III based computers showed that the Karamba sidebar consumes about 6% of your available CPU power while say a 3Ghz Pentium 4 uses on 1% of CPU power. To disable the sidebar and stop it starting during bootup, unhide .xinitrc in root open it with geany and place a # at the start of the line /usr/bin/karamba & so it looks like this #/usr/bin/karamba & and save.
In truth I use Legacy OS 2 on my Pentium III computers as I find it more stable than Legacy OS 4 Mini. Legacy OS 2 is more battle ready for day to day use and that's why currently I'm working on an "Update Pack" for Legacy OS 2 and not 4.
Hello oligin10,
I've never experienced a problem with flash 11 in Legacy OS 4 mini. Even the current version 11.2 works. It's strange your experiencing problems with Flash?
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
Flash
Hi John, thanks for responding to this. I think my problems stem from updating browsers. I try to update my browsers to the latest each time. It has caused me problems with Legacy OS4. I know that's what is causing it. I will keep working on fixing what I have broken. On a side note, are you pretty much done with Legacy OS4? I thought I had read somewhere that you were going to concentrate on OS2. Thanks for all you have done and all you do, Rob.
- Colonel Panic
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Re: Flash
Have you tried a recent version of Opera? I find version 11.11 works just fine in Legacy OS4; there's a pet for that one. I can't vouch for Opera 12 as I haven't tried it in a 2 or 4 based Puppy yet.oligin10 wrote:Hi John, thanks for responding to this. I think my problems stem from updating browsers. I try to update my browsers to the latest each time. It has caused me problems with Legacy OS4. I know that's what is causing it. I will keep working on fixing what I have broken. On a side note, are you pretty much done with Legacy OS4? I thought I had read somewhere that you were going to concentrate on OS2. Thanks for all you have done and all you do, Rob.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
- Colonel Panic
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Re: Removing Karamba
Thanks for the tip. It might well work but tbh I like Karamba a lot, in fact it's one of the main "draws" of John's Legacy distros for me so I'd only bin it if I absolutely had to..oligin10 wrote:Hi CP, just a suggestion. I completely removed Karamba. That seemed to help. I hope to make it back to Legacy OS4 soon. Been trying to figure out the flash problems and working on some other things right now. But back to Karamba. For me, it was an unnecessary item. I would rather place my icons on the desktop. Probably because I don't have a wide screen monitor. Hope this helps, Rob
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
- Colonel Panic
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Thanks for the info in each case.john biles wrote:Hello Colonel Panic,
Testing on Pentium III based computers showed that the Karamba sidebar consumes about 6% of your available CPU power while say a 3Ghz Pentium 4 uses on 1% of CPU power.
To disable the sidebar and stop it starting during bootup, unhide .xinitrc in root open it with geany and place a # at the start of the line /usr/bin/karamba & so it looks like this #/usr/bin/karamba & and save.
Great, is it anything like ready for release yet? I think I might install Legacy 2 now that I'm back on my "old" computer again.john biles wrote:In truth I use Legacy OS 2 on my Pentium III computers as I find it more stable than Legacy OS 4 Mini. Legacy OS 2 is more battle ready for day to day use and that's why currently I'm working on an "Update Pack" for Legacy OS 2 and not 4.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
- john biles
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Hello Colonel Panic,
Changes at Work, giving my old car a makeover, raising a young family has slowed down the development of Legacy OS. The next release to version 2.1 will be an Update Pack under 100Mb not a 700mb iso. I can tell you that Opera 12.02 the last version that works with Legacy OS 2 is very stable and has been my main Web Browser for months. It links to a small QT4 library inside Opera's main directory. Unpacking the tar.gz takes a few minutes and your done. Visually I feel the update adds more polish.
You can try Opera 12 from here http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/ ... epository/
user = puppy password = linux
just unzip tar.gz to / as per normal and reload menu.
Legacy OS 4 Mini will receive the same visual update when 2.1 is released with a tar.gz of its own. I tend to work on one version at a time so an update for Legacy OS 4 Mini isn't dead yet.
Changes at Work, giving my old car a makeover, raising a young family has slowed down the development of Legacy OS. The next release to version 2.1 will be an Update Pack under 100Mb not a 700mb iso. I can tell you that Opera 12.02 the last version that works with Legacy OS 2 is very stable and has been my main Web Browser for months. It links to a small QT4 library inside Opera's main directory. Unpacking the tar.gz takes a few minutes and your done. Visually I feel the update adds more polish.
You can try Opera 12 from here http://puppylinuxstuff.meownplanet.net/ ... epository/
user = puppy password = linux
just unzip tar.gz to / as per normal and reload menu.
Legacy OS 4 Mini will receive the same visual update when 2.1 is released with a tar.gz of its own. I tend to work on one version at a time so an update for Legacy OS 4 Mini isn't dead yet.
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
Yes ! update pack scheduled
I hope internet connexion drivers will be updated . Legacy OS ins one of my prefered distros but i musk work with my old computer
Still running Mini on an old 733 Mhz/256 Mb ram P3.
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- Colonel Panic
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I'm running it too! The only things I couldn't find were a good xkill for it (there's one for the 4.31 series Pups but not the 4.21 ones), and the Karamba themes package; the link seems to have disappeared.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
Hi John.
Here is my story:
I ask my friends to not throw their old computers to the garbage, and to give them to me instead. I restore those old computers, and give them to people who don't want to invest money in computers, and use these computers for simple tasks like: a little internet browsing, some word and excel documents, some pictures or movies watching. So, no heavy load on them.
The latest experince, who made me discover LEGACY OS is this one:
Somebody gived me an old computer having the following hardware:
Motherboard: PCCHIPS M852 Rev 1.0 (www.pcchipsusa.com)
Processor: AMD SEMPRON 2600+; 1833 MHz
Video Card: GEFORCE FX5200; 128 Mb RAM
RAM Memory: 768 Mb
Before discovering LEGACY OS 4.0 Mini, I have tried a dozen or more light Linux distributions on that system, no one worked normally on that desktop.
Some of them didn't even boot on live DVD (Bodhi, Anti X for example).
Others were running, but with “problems
Here is my story:
I ask my friends to not throw their old computers to the garbage, and to give them to me instead. I restore those old computers, and give them to people who don't want to invest money in computers, and use these computers for simple tasks like: a little internet browsing, some word and excel documents, some pictures or movies watching. So, no heavy load on them.
The latest experince, who made me discover LEGACY OS is this one:
Somebody gived me an old computer having the following hardware:
Motherboard: PCCHIPS M852 Rev 1.0 (www.pcchipsusa.com)
Processor: AMD SEMPRON 2600+; 1833 MHz
Video Card: GEFORCE FX5200; 128 Mb RAM
RAM Memory: 768 Mb
Before discovering LEGACY OS 4.0 Mini, I have tried a dozen or more light Linux distributions on that system, no one worked normally on that desktop.
Some of them didn't even boot on live DVD (Bodhi, Anti X for example).
Others were running, but with “problems
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Kreator .
Welcome to Puppy mate.
John is really a bit of an unsung Puppy hero.
His creations have been downloaded in the multi thousands.
Not bad for a one man band.
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eg: Softpedia alone
Legacy OS 2 >>> Downloads: 92,349
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/O ... 1563.shtml
Regards....Chris.
Welcome to Puppy mate.
John is really a bit of an unsung Puppy hero.
His creations have been downloaded in the multi thousands.
Not bad for a one man band.
"""""""
eg: Softpedia alone
Legacy OS 2 >>> Downloads: 92,349
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/O ... 1563.shtml
Regards....Chris.
Use boot option: nouveau.noaccel=1. This should "fix" that issue.Puppy 5.4 had an issue: the start menu was there, it opened, but the text of the buttons was missing.
I did have the same problem here in several Puppies (have also GeForce FX5200/XFX 6200 Graphics Cards) - it's gone now!
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