Slacko-5.4 feedback and bug reports
Slacko-5.4 feedback and bug reports
I compiled and tested vlc-2.0.5 in Slacko-5.4, it works fine with the
intel video driver, should work with ati but it may need the
proprietary nvidia driver for nvidia graphics cards.I haven't tested
it with the nouveau driver so it may work on nvidia cards that use that
driver.
Vlc needs qt-4.8.2 to be installed and it's available for download in
the puppy package manager.
Here's the download link for vlc-2.0.5
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-965dfe10.html
intel video driver, should work with ati but it may need the
proprietary nvidia driver for nvidia graphics cards.I haven't tested
it with the nouveau driver so it may work on nvidia cards that use that
driver.
Vlc needs qt-4.8.2 to be installed and it's available for download in
the puppy package manager.
Here's the download link for vlc-2.0.5
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-965dfe10.html
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Hi 01micko.
I saved to the live multisession CD by following the PowerOff procedure from the menu, and that worked as normal. Surprise at the next boot, when the 'Save' icon suddenly appeared above the middle on the screen!
I would have liked to see a 'save-to-some-live-media' dialog, without having to use PowerOff, as a menu item in future releases.
I also found out the hard way, that adding the rox-filer update pet, and then saving to CD, plays havoc with downloads and settings in earlier saves, at next boot. The 'Save' icon disappeared again. So as a tip for others, the update should perhaps be added to an unmodified .iso, to avoid extra work.
tallboy
I saved to the live multisession CD by following the PowerOff procedure from the menu, and that worked as normal. Surprise at the next boot, when the 'Save' icon suddenly appeared above the middle on the screen!
I would have liked to see a 'save-to-some-live-media' dialog, without having to use PowerOff, as a menu item in future releases.
I also found out the hard way, that adding the rox-filer update pet, and then saving to CD, plays havoc with downloads and settings in earlier saves, at next boot. The 'Save' icon disappeared again. So as a tip for others, the update should perhaps be added to an unmodified .iso, to avoid extra work.
I took a look at atop in that link, and it seemed like an interesting tool. Could it be used for diagnosing Slacko problems, specifically the 'freeze' problem, which I have experienced first hand myself?In an earlier post in this thread, you wrote:Some reading
tallboy
True freedom is a live Puppy on a multisession CD/DVD.
Next release wish: I miss having a visible 'bullet' indicating that for example an .iso or an .sfs is mounted, like I have had in earlier puppys. It seems that the icon with a bullet that appear when a drive is mounted, is limited to those drives. ROX?
I also miss the mtpaint-based screen capture application in the tray in my dpup484/5, that let you drag a capture to size. Simple and quick.
I installed the jwm-661-plus.pet and jwmconfig2-130125.pet. The mouse cursor now changes it's shape when it is moved over the window border buttons, I hope that effect will be a setup choice and not default, in the stable versions soon to come. To me it feels confusing when the eyes are drawn to that movement, instead of just clicking when the cursor arrow is over a button.
When clicking the clock at the right side of the bottom tray to see the calendar, the calendar places itself so low behind the tray, that the close button is unreachable. Why not let the calendar close itself when the cursor moves away, like it did earlier? Unnessesary clicks are wasting time and destroying arms.
Besides, PupClockSet for setting the clock's format is now a module that have to be downloaded separately, it is not listed in the ppm.
tallboy
I also miss the mtpaint-based screen capture application in the tray in my dpup484/5, that let you drag a capture to size. Simple and quick.
I installed the jwm-661-plus.pet and jwmconfig2-130125.pet. The mouse cursor now changes it's shape when it is moved over the window border buttons, I hope that effect will be a setup choice and not default, in the stable versions soon to come. To me it feels confusing when the eyes are drawn to that movement, instead of just clicking when the cursor arrow is over a button.
When clicking the clock at the right side of the bottom tray to see the calendar, the calendar places itself so low behind the tray, that the close button is unreachable. Why not let the calendar close itself when the cursor moves away, like it did earlier? Unnessesary clicks are wasting time and destroying arms.
Besides, PupClockSet for setting the clock's format is now a module that have to be downloaded separately, it is not listed in the ppm.
tallboy
True freedom is a live Puppy on a multisession CD/DVD.
hey micko
noticed the first hang since running 5.4 again, maybe a coincidence but the partview icon was missing from the taskbar, took about 3-4 minutes from clicking the whitespace to the data displaying, when clicking on drive icons similar time elapsed
one other item to mention, not sure if it's a bug or not but have to click twice on desktop icon to get to clear desktop screen
I have process manager running in pwidgets and only high cpu load shows firefox (11 tabs open 18% load)
repeated attempts to open drives has the same hanging duration
also noticed that /var/log/messages date is one day forward (ie 30 jan)?
access to other apps and 'home' ok so it appears to be isolated to mounting somehow, again, sorry don't know how to gather data for you
** EDIT running partview from the terminal outputs:
"EXIT=exit on timeout"
*** EDIT - drive mounting not resolved by restartx, drive icons not visible after either, would not shutdown correctly and required a power-button hold down to turn-off system
noticed the first hang since running 5.4 again, maybe a coincidence but the partview icon was missing from the taskbar, took about 3-4 minutes from clicking the whitespace to the data displaying, when clicking on drive icons similar time elapsed
one other item to mention, not sure if it's a bug or not but have to click twice on desktop icon to get to clear desktop screen
I have process manager running in pwidgets and only high cpu load shows firefox (11 tabs open 18% load)
repeated attempts to open drives has the same hanging duration
also noticed that /var/log/messages date is one day forward (ie 30 jan)?
access to other apps and 'home' ok so it appears to be isolated to mounting somehow, again, sorry don't know how to gather data for you
** EDIT running partview from the terminal outputs:
"EXIT=exit on timeout"
*** EDIT - drive mounting not resolved by restartx, drive icons not visible after either, would not shutdown correctly and required a power-button hold down to turn-off system
This happens because, when Puppy starts, the local time is temporarily set to a fictitious time zone 23 hours ahead of UTC, and is not corrected until after syslogd is started. So syslogd sends us messages from the future.ally wrote:also noticed that /var/log/messages date is one day forward (ie 30 jan)?
You may be able bring syslogd back from its time warp by modifying one line in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit (and rebooting):
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#unset TZ #100319 busybox hwclock gives priority to this (rather than /etc/localtime) and 'init' has set it wrong.
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unset TZ #100319 busybox hwclock gives priority to this (rather than /etc/localtime) and 'init' has set it wrong.
Hanging, HDD deadlocks, etc.
Mick, there's a big chance that I won't be tormenting you anymore.
After 1024 conjectures, finally I tried:
...and:
(VirtualBox) Precise-3.7.2, pmedia=atahd, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(VirtualBox) Slacko-5.4-PAE, pmedia=ataflash, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(Real envir.) Slacko-5.4-PAE, pmedia=ataflash, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(of course I have removed 'echo 1 > ...dirty' from rc.sysinit)
I doubt if this is the real solution (saving is not so fluent as in 5.3.3), most likely just another workaround, but it's the most promising one so far!
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything change for the worse.
Also, I don't really know how much my issue is related to your's (8-bit, Ally & others), but you could try and see if this helps (at your own risk, of course ).
Greetings!
After 1024 conjectures, finally I tried:
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mount -o remount,sync /dev/loop1
(VirtualBox) Precise-3.7.2, pmedia=atahd, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(VirtualBox) Slacko-5.4-PAE, pmedia=ataflash, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(Real envir.) Slacko-5.4-PAE, pmedia=ataflash, slackosave.2fs on NTFS partition - [ OK! ]
(of course I have removed 'echo 1 > ...dirty' from rc.sysinit)
I doubt if this is the real solution (saving is not so fluent as in 5.3.3), most likely just another workaround, but it's the most promising one so far!
Anyway, I'll let you know if anything change for the worse.
Also, I don't really know how much my issue is related to your's (8-bit, Ally & others), but you could try and see if this helps (at your own risk, of course ).
Greetings!
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Hello SFR
Interesting.. you may want to add "noatime" argument. What this does is prevent the kernel writing timestamps back to "disk" each time a file changes. It may improve your performance. https://lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php. Barry has that reference in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
Do you have a reference? Are you running the command from /etc/rc.d/rc.local? (I guess).
Interesting.. you may want to add "noatime" argument. What this does is prevent the kernel writing timestamps back to "disk" each time a file changes. It may improve your performance. https://lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php. Barry has that reference in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
Do you have a reference? Are you running the command from /etc/rc.d/rc.local? (I guess).
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It seems that I had a bad slackosave file.
The partition I did the frugal install to was formatted 2FS and I had made the save file 3FS.
I booted to another version of Puppy and ran e2fsck -y on the save file and it came up with some errors that were corrected.
I do not know if that was part of the cause.
But also, I had removed Firefox and had installed Seamonkey and let it do the latest update of itself.
Also, I had installed a Nvidia Pet file that corresponded with the kernel version as well as xfce4 and comp-fusion.
So trying to get your TRY_ME ISO to the same point, I ran into a problem finding a NVIDIA pet file for it, and it just was too many changes that I had made that stopped me from further testing.
As the TRY_ME ISO stood, there were no lockups.
So as a result, I can not be of much help in tracking down or reporting on the experienced pause.
The partition I did the frugal install to was formatted 2FS and I had made the save file 3FS.
I booted to another version of Puppy and ran e2fsck -y on the save file and it came up with some errors that were corrected.
I do not know if that was part of the cause.
But also, I had removed Firefox and had installed Seamonkey and let it do the latest update of itself.
Also, I had installed a Nvidia Pet file that corresponded with the kernel version as well as xfce4 and comp-fusion.
So trying to get your TRY_ME ISO to the same point, I ran into a problem finding a NVIDIA pet file for it, and it just was too many changes that I had made that stopped me from further testing.
As the TRY_ME ISO stood, there were no lockups.
So as a result, I can not be of much help in tracking down or reporting on the experienced pause.
Desktop Icon Positions
Using Slacko 5.4 PAE Opera
It seems that if an sfs file is removed, the system rebooted and a save file made, the zip, trash and save icon positions are not saved. Sincew that seems to be the behavior of many Puppies, I don;t think it's Slacko related, but I'm wondering, short of removing the icons form the desk top, what I can do to have the icon positions not changed.
This is the only shortcoming I've found in Slacko....and like beautiful women, the icon problem is not enough to kick slacko out of bed for eating crackers.
Thom
It seems that if an sfs file is removed, the system rebooted and a save file made, the zip, trash and save icon positions are not saved. Sincew that seems to be the behavior of many Puppies, I don;t think it's Slacko related, but I'm wondering, short of removing the icons form the desk top, what I can do to have the icon positions not changed.
This is the only shortcoming I've found in Slacko....and like beautiful women, the icon problem is not enough to kick slacko out of bed for eating crackers.
Thom
Thom,
I have a work around tool for this shortcoming.
See Menu >> Desktop >> Settings >> Desksetup Templates for Desk Icons.
Make sure you save the "Custom" setting and when you get that problem choose your custom setup from that tool and X will restart with your icons in tact. A bit clunky I know, but it works!
I have a work around tool for this shortcoming.
See Menu >> Desktop >> Settings >> Desksetup Templates for Desk Icons.
Make sure you save the "Custom" setting and when you get that problem choose your custom setup from that tool and X will restart with your icons in tact. A bit clunky I know, but it works!
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For the upcoming release it would be nicer to have ffmpeg 1.1 or later, many bug fixes, additional codecs & filters
-> VLC
Note that Audacity might still require the obsolete ffmeg 0.6 series...
* can't install Chrome 23 or later with PPM
* With my laptop, I sometimes use an external screen.
How with Slacko 5.4 do I shut off the laptop screen, so to have only the external one?
-> VLC
Note that Audacity might still require the obsolete ffmeg 0.6 series...
* can't install Chrome 23 or later with PPM
* With my laptop, I sometimes use an external screen.
How with Slacko 5.4 do I shut off the laptop screen, so to have only the external one?
Would be nice but isn't going to happen. I haven't the time to recompile all the various other packages which depend on ffmpeg, including openshot.. that took me an age.feelsub wrote:For the upcoming release it would be nicer to have ffmpeg 1.1 or later, many bug fixes, additional codecs & filters
-> VLC
Note that Audacity might still require the obsolete ffmeg 0.6 series...
What is the issue there? I installed it from PPM, posting from chrome-23 now.feelsub wrote:* can't install Chrome 23 or later with PPM
I don't know.. anyone field this one?feelsub wrote:* With my laptop, I sometimes use an external screen.
How with Slacko 5.4 do I shut off the laptop screen, so to have only the external one?
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Hangs, deadlocks, etc...
Hey Mick
Day 2, no hangs at all, even when I was saving the session while copying four large 5GB files simultaneously!
Anyway, 'noatime' was/is there already:
remounting it with various options + 'cat /dev/zero > (its mountpoint)/bigfile'
and suddenly 'sync' made that deadlock problem just vanished, instantly.
In real envir. initially I was running it from terminal right after booting into desktop, but now I've added it at the end of rc.sysinit...but I guess it's not the best place for it..?
The issue was quite a PITA, but (paraphrasing Tlchost's) "...and like beautiful women, the deadlock problem was not enough to kick Slacko out of bed for eating crackers".
Greetings!
Day 2, no hangs at all, even when I was saving the session while copying four large 5GB files simultaneously!
The performance differences between 5.3.3 and my workaround in 5.4 are not so significant really - probably I became a bit oversensitive after hours of analyzing HDD led's behaviour.Interesting.. you may want to add "noatime" argument.[...]It may improve your performance
Anyway, 'noatime' was/is there already:
/dev/loop1 on /initrd/pup_ro1 type ext2 (rw,sync,noatime,errors=continue,user_xattr,acl)
I was reading http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount, toying with "artificially" created 512M savefile (placed on NTFS partition):Do you have a reference? Are you running the command from /etc/rc.d/rc.local? (I guess).
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dd if=/dev/zero of=tempimage.2fs bs=1M count=512
mkfs.ext2 tempimage.2fs
and suddenly 'sync' made that deadlock problem just vanished, instantly.
In real envir. initially I was running it from terminal right after booting into desktop, but now I've added it at the end of rc.sysinit...but I guess it's not the best place for it..?
The issue was quite a PITA, but (paraphrasing Tlchost's) "...and like beautiful women, the deadlock problem was not enough to kick Slacko out of bed for eating crackers".
Maybe Zarfy could help..?I don't know.. anyone field this one?feelsub wrote:* With my laptop, I sometimes use an external screen.
How with Slacko 5.4 do I shut off the laptop screen, so to have only the external one?
Greetings!
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This is magnificent work you are doing and my thanks goes out to you.. you get a virtual pat on the back!
I still want to investigate this further though, it is obviously something at the kernel level, be it the kernel it's self or the AUFS patches, I get them from GIT every time I compile a kernel.
I have just compiled 3.0.60 LTS with AUFS from GIT dated January 14. The 3.1.10 kernel in experimental slacko-5.4.00 was compiled in March 2012. A lot has happened with AUFS in that time. It may be a "feature", I can't find any reference on the mailing lists or logs though.
So.. in the next day I will release another testing build with 3.0.60-4g. This will endeavour to prove if it's vanilla kernel or AUFS as the source of this bug. This way, we have inductive proof to present to Barry for a fix in woof. I know he is on the build path with the next Precise, and I wish he'd have a look at this first. I will post on his blog tomorrow, I'm a bit tired now, plus I want to see what happens with 3.0.60.
Cheers and thanks again!
This is magnificent work you are doing and my thanks goes out to you.. you get a virtual pat on the back!
I still want to investigate this further though, it is obviously something at the kernel level, be it the kernel it's self or the AUFS patches, I get them from GIT every time I compile a kernel.
I have just compiled 3.0.60 LTS with AUFS from GIT dated January 14. The 3.1.10 kernel in experimental slacko-5.4.00 was compiled in March 2012. A lot has happened with AUFS in that time. It may be a "feature", I can't find any reference on the mailing lists or logs though.
So.. in the next day I will release another testing build with 3.0.60-4g. This will endeavour to prove if it's vanilla kernel or AUFS as the source of this bug. This way, we have inductive proof to present to Barry for a fix in woof. I know he is on the build path with the next Precise, and I wish he'd have a look at this first. I will post on his blog tomorrow, I'm a bit tired now, plus I want to see what happens with 3.0.60.
Cheers and thanks again!
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Hmmm.. just tested working here. Did you click the "Custom" button to save your current layout? Files are in /usr/local/desksetup. Saves config in /root/.desksetup. It alters the rox-pinboard at /root/Choices/ROX-Filer.tlchost wrote: Doesn't seem to work here...exactly what file does it write to and what is the name of the script it installs??
Thom
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I noticed I was never asked for a name for the custom file...so, my steedl trap logic tells me if it did not ask for a name, none was created.01micko wrote:
Hmmm.. just tested working here. Did you click the "Custom" button to save your current layout? Files are in /usr/local/desksetup. Saves config in /root/.desksetup. It alters the rox-pinboard at /root/Choices/ROX-Filer.
So, help me with the ultimate Kludge....how would I do it manually? sve pinboard to some_other_name and after rebooting then copy some_other_name to pinboard and restart x ?
Thanks
ps, in the unspeakable IRC channel now
File is ~/.desktopsetup/custompin, this setup works very well! Icons are my modified Stardust theme, GTK theme is also Stardust, and in the JWMConfiguration Manager is the JWM theme set to Black-vg, and the choice Change Window Decorations is set to 'larger' (window buttons).
This is the best puppy I have had so far, so I had to update my signature! I have done the modifications mentioned in this thread, but limited myself to a 590 version of JWM, and installed firefox-18.0.1, the original had some strange behaviour. I run live CD/DVD only. I usually save files to a USB HD, and it annoys me that turning off the machine with the Power button afterwards - as I have done before, now activates the whole Power-off/savesession procedure.
tallboy
This is the best puppy I have had so far, so I had to update my signature! I have done the modifications mentioned in this thread, but limited myself to a 590 version of JWM, and installed firefox-18.0.1, the original had some strange behaviour. I run live CD/DVD only. I usually save files to a USB HD, and it annoys me that turning off the machine with the Power button afterwards - as I have done before, now activates the whole Power-off/savesession procedure.
tallboy
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