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ArchPup 12.12.2
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Scooby
Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 381 |
Yeah I want to learn, How is it done? |
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James C
 Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 6065 Location: Kentucky |
After reading the claptrap in the last few pages of this thread I've lost all interest in this..........good luck to the builders. Open Source certainly is entertaining. 
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simargl
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DISTRO_ADRVSFS in DISTRO_SPECS will be named adrv-12.12.sfs, it will have all gui applications and window manager related stuff that are now in archpup-12.12.sfs. I will not add or remove any package, only will split them and plan to upload new iso tomorrow, it will have same version 12.12.2. What is important to mention is that adrv-12.12.sfs is mandatory, without it you will get kernel panic. archpup-12.12.sfs, adrv-12.12.sfs and vmlinuz will be signed with DISTRO_IDSTRING='1212ARCH09012013XXXXXXXXXXXX1234', I will edit build script to automatically add this. |
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yr1945
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 149 |
@simargl, mavrothal, stifiling, oui, scooby, darkcity and everyone else participating in the development of ArchPup... the OS is developing and evolving quite nicely... i can now connect to my wireless network and even download applications via Pacman... i have been learning things as you "guys" hammer out the issues... Great Job... Thanks for your efforts and hard work... It is appreciated by many of us... |
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simargl
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Thanks yr1945, yes with help of archpup users it's getting better and better...
I made some changes in build script so it now works with adrv, for list of packages currently in adrv-12.12.sfs see https://bitbucket.org/simargl/archpup/raw/50b0656c15800cd4edf2952e89eed9599b07c6c9/list/2012-12-01/arch-adrv. What else could I move from these two lists:arch-base, spkg-base? btw adrv-12.12.sfs size is huuuge at 2.5MB 
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cinclus_cinclus
Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 59 |
@simargl Thank you! But your hints left too much open.
?? I can't find such directory.
Sorry which directory do you mean exactly?
I used (from Precise 5.4.3) the kernel (3.2.29) and a new initrd generated with your script with /lib/modules/3.29 branch. I got some errors from depmod ... Question: which initrd must be used to be transformed with your script? I used the initrd from Puppy Precise 5.4.3. Is that correct? Please look how far I came on booting:
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stifiling
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 |
I wonder what's causing that. that's defeating the whole purpose of splitting if they're 'really' still 1. but another package that should be moved to the adrv is pup-volume-monitor....it doesn't work with Dolphin file manager. pup-volume-monitor xorg-server alsa gdkpixbuf pwireless findutils gtk2 gtkdialog hicolor icon theme wget lxtask unzip Edited_time_total |
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mavrothal
 Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 2127 |
simargl, having 2 mandatory SFSs obviously makes little sense. (I did verify BTW, using stifiling's files and removing the adrv, that the panic is not because of the new initrd.) 12.12 looks fine as an 80MB Arch-Puppy distro. I do not know what is your plan and time availability but you may want to think which way to go and how to proceed for 1301, if a 130[1-9] is in the plan. If it is, start with the basis. Kernel - udev. Some work is needed there. Go on to your main iso size. Is it still going to be 80MB? If yes, rather focus on usability/polishing (wireless, installation, internationalization, GUI for your sfs building scripts, version update infrastructure, etc) and forget adrv. A 2MB adrv is an overhead that even picky users should be able to live with. If no, go for a main sfs that will boot to console with net access and and some console based apps (pns-lools, links browser, mc etc). The adrv that should have the rest plus archapps, to offer a good user experience in a ~150MB iso. (you may want to try 128MB so will boot in 256MB machines, but with a 3.6+ kernel I wouldn't wary about that a lot). Then go back to usability/polishing. 
Having decide on that will probably stop the "claptrap" as JamesC said and focus back to actually using the os. _________________ Kids all over the world go around with an XO laptop. They deserve one puppy (or many) too  |
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simargl
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Sorry false alarm, ArchPup actually works without adrv sfs, something from save file was problem or I forgot to add ID_STRING, really don't remember. Here is latest change in /etc/profile, so archpup will boot to console only if env variable WINDOW_MANAGER is not set.
mavrothal: adrv will be there even if only 2 or 3 MB, because it will allow easy remasters with different DE, window managers, or in other languages. I will continue to make separate archapps with my prefered applications, so it will be there for those who wants to use it. Also I think that all hard work around adrv is done, it would be bad to throw that away. New version 13.** is not planned anytime soon, I want to first see those spectacular remasters.
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stifiling
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 |
i disagree. it makes little sense 'only' if kernel panicing is unable to be resolved. otherwise it makes HUGE sense, if your looking to appeal to more than just 'puppy linux' users. if you want to also appeal to ppl who use Arch Linux, Gentoo, or Linux From Scratch...it's necessary to not have Openbox, "Living" inside the distro. as small as tinycore is, it still doesn't give the 'freedom' a picky user would like to have. it's near impossible to get rid of their hideous shutdown menu, and ugly default wallpaper. it doesn't matter if the adrv is only 2MB.....the important part is not to save 2MB...it's to give the usr a barebones Archpup solution. to "pacman -S whatever they want". moving those 'possibly' unwanted apps to the adrv would make this exactly how the base Arch Linux comes. So: using the adrv = comparable to Arch Linux/Arch Bang/Puppy Linux not using the adrv = comparable to Arch Bang/Puppy Linux If you happen to be the type to watch 'Linux Reviews' on youtube, ppl like SneekyLinux and IcyOS/PuppyLinuxWorld tend to do reviews on distros like Puppy Linux, Tiny Core, Arch Bang; and not Gentoo or Arch Linux. while ppl like Linux4UNMe and TWIL do reviews on distros like Gentoo and Arch Linux; and not Puppy Linux, Tiny Core or Arch Bang. letting the numbers speak for themselves, TWIL and Linux4UNME (Gentoo/Arch Linux) has more youtube suscribers than PuppyLinuxWorld and SneekyLinux (Arch Bang/Puppy Linux). If it's set up using the adrive, there's no reason to not get a review from all of them. it would fit all of their qualifications. why leave an audience out...when there's a simple solution to also include them? Why target 80%, when u have a simple way to appeal to the whole 100? 80% is a lot....but it's a significant margin away from 100%. one's an A the other's a B. one's a 32 hr paycheck, the other's 40 hrs. and a 32 hr paycheck, looks a lot different than a 40 hr one does. Edited_times_total |
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stifiling
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 |
i couldn't agree with this more. and this is what i've been yelling abt for so long now, and i'm happy that you also see the importance of it. Having come from Arch Linux yourself...it's necessary to do it this way to attract a wider scope of users. Thanks for not 'forcing' sakura terminal on the users and giving them the option to 'choose'...without just hiding it. same for alsa, user might want oss same for xorg-server, user might want older version, or no X at all the proprietary nvidia 96xx driver doesn't work with xorg-server, newer than version 1.10, this gives the option to downgrade it. this gives the 'freedom' to pick 'everything'. |
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rameshiyer
Joined: 17 Sep 2009 Posts: 236 Location: Calicut, Kerala, India |
How to set up internet connection through wired LAN. I wants to setup Static IP address. However, not found any option. One option found me that Pwireless setup. It has eth0 option. However, setting is not possible, even if it changed, the same is moving to DHCP and selecting random IP. Not configuring other parameters properly. Another thing is to change the clock time. Please help me. |
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stifiling
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 |
the way i've been setting the time is by adding:
as the first line in the '/root/.xinitrc' script. this should set the time, to your computer's bios time. |
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simargl
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New iso is uploading, I moved some more packages to adrv, biggest of them is faenza-icon-theme - adrv.sfs size is now 4.2 MB. xorg-server is in the main sfs, as downgrading it to version older than 1.10, would require recompiling xf86-video-* evdev input keyboard... drivers, and older versions also needed hal (not udev) for finding input devices. Anyone knowing how to do this will find removing xorg-server from archpup.sfs as trivial task. |
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stifiling
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 388 |
understandable, but i myself downgrades the working xf86-video-* evdev binary pkg to go along with the older xorg-server. if i ever choose to use the proprietary nvidia 96xx driver on this machine...which i rarely ever do. |
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