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Scooby

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 17:15    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:

d) learn to patch Razz


Yeah I want to learn, How is it done?
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 17:16    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
The builders can do as they please. It's all OSS.


After reading the claptrap in the last few pages of this thread I've lost all interest in this..........good luck to the builders. Open Source certainly is entertaining. Smile
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simargl
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 17:24    Post subject:  
DISTRO_ADRVSFS in DISTRO_SPECS will be named adrv-12.12.sfs, it will have all gui applications and window manager related stuff that are now in archpup-12.12.sfs. I will not add or remove any package, only will split them and plan to upload new iso tomorrow, it will have same version 12.12.2. What is important to mention is that adrv-12.12.sfs is mandatory, without it you will get kernel panic. archpup-12.12.sfs, adrv-12.12.sfs and vmlinuz will be signed with DISTRO_IDSTRING='1212ARCH09012013XXXXXXXXXXXX1234', I will edit build script to automatically add this.
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yr1945

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 18:09    Post subject:  
@simargl, mavrothal, stifiling, oui, scooby, darkcity and everyone else participating in the development of ArchPup...

the OS is developing and evolving quite nicely...

i can now connect to my wireless network and even download applications via Pacman...

i have been learning things as you "guys" hammer out the issues...

Great Job... Thanks for your efforts and hard work... It is appreciated by many of us...
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simargl
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 19:35    Post subject:  
Thanks yr1945, Smile yes with help of archpup users it's getting better and better...

I made some changes in build script so it now works with adrv, for list of packages currently in adrv-12.12.sfs see https://bitbucket.org/simargl/archpup/raw/50b0656c15800cd4edf2952e89eed9599b07c6c9/list/2012-12-01/arch-adrv. What else could I move from these two lists:arch-base, spkg-base?
btw adrv-12.12.sfs size is huuuge at 2.5MB Laughing
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cinclus_cinclus

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 19:52    Post subject: Kernel replacement  
@simargl
Thank you! But your hints left too much open.
simargl wrote:
I'm not sure will it work with different glibc version and everything, but you can try. Copy
/initrd/pup_ro2,

?? I can't find such directory.
Quote:
and replace /lib/modules/3.6.8 with that kernel version, and vmlinuz in home directory.

Sorry which directory do you mean exactly?
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You must also make new initrd.gz, will add script used in original ArchPup, just change variables at beginning to fit you needs.

I used (from Precise 5.4.3) the kernel (3.2.29) and a new initrd generated with your script with /lib/modules/3.29 branch. I got some errors from depmod ...

Question:
which initrd must be used to be transformed with your script? I used the initrd from Puppy Precise 5.4.3. Is that correct?

Please look how far I came on booting:
Quote:
Loading drivers needed to access disk drives..
Searching for ArchPup files pausing. pausing pausing pausing pausing pausing done
Loading personal file /archpup/archsave.2fs (sdc1)... done
Loading the 'archpup-1212.sfs' main file... copying to ram done
Setting up the layered filesystem... failed
Dumping last lines of /tmp/bootinit.log...
ls: /mnt/dev_save/archpup/*.sfs: No such file or directory mount: mounting /dev/loop4 on /pup_ro4 failed: No such device mount: mounting /dev/loop5 on /pup_ro5 failed: No such device mount: mounting unionfs on /pup_new failed: No such device Dumping last lines of kernel log...
<6>[ 53.455953] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds <6>[ 53.4563449 EXT3-fs (sda9): using internal Journal <6>[ 53.456348] EXT3-fs (sda9): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode <4>[ 83.451265] EXT2-fs (loopl): warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended Pausing for 68 seconds...
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Jan 2013, 21:19    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
without it you will get kernel panic.


I wonder what's causing that. that's defeating the whole purpose of splitting if they're 'really' still 1. but another package that should be moved to the adrv is pup-volume-monitor....it doesn't work with Dolphin file manager.

pup-volume-monitor
xorg-server
alsa
gdkpixbuf
pwireless
findutils
gtk2
gtkdialog
hicolor icon theme
wget
lxtask
unzip
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 01:22    Post subject:  
simargl,
having 2 mandatory SFSs obviously makes little sense.
(I did verify BTW, using stifiling's files and removing the adrv, that the panic is not because of the new initrd.)

12.12 looks fine as an 80MB Arch-Puppy distro.
I do not know what is your plan and time availability but you may want to think which way to go and how to proceed for 1301, if a 130[1-9] is in the plan.

If it is, start with the basis. Kernel - udev. Some work is needed there.
Go on to your main iso size. Is it still going to be 80MB?
If yes, rather focus on usability/polishing (wireless, installation, internationalization, GUI for your sfs building scripts, version update infrastructure, etc) and forget adrv.
A 2MB adrv is an overhead that even picky users should be able to live with.
If no, go for a main sfs that will boot to console with net access and and some console based apps (pns-lools, links browser, mc etc).
The adrv that should have the rest plus archapps, to offer a good user experience in a ~150MB iso.
(you may want to try 128MB so will boot in 256MB machines, but with a 3.6+ kernel I wouldn't wary about that a lot).
Then go back to usability/polishing. Wink

Having decide on that will probably stop the "claptrap" as JamesC said and focus back to actually using the os.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 04:04    Post subject:  
Sorry false alarm, ArchPup actually works without adrv sfs, something from save file was problem or I forgot to add ID_STRING, really don't remember.
Here is latest change in /etc/profile, so archpup will boot to console only if env variable WINDOW_MANAGER is not set.
Code:
--- a/arch-tools/etc/profile   Fri Jan 11 00:05:21 2013 +0100
+++ b/arch-tools/etc/profile   Fri Jan 11 08:47:47 2013 +0100
@@ -32,8 +32,8 @@
 done
 unset profile
 
-if [ ! -f /usr/bin/X ]; then
-  echo "Sorry, cannot start X. Link /usr/bin/X missing."
+if [ -z "$WINDOW_MANAGER" ]; then
+  echo "Sorry, cannot start X. Environment variable WINDOW_MANAGER is not set."
 else
   exec archpupx
 fi

mavrothal: adrv will be there even if only 2 or 3 MB, because it will allow easy remasters with different DE, window managers, or in other languages. I will continue to make separate archapps with my prefered applications, so it will be there for those who wants to use it. Also I think that all hard work around adrv is done, it would be bad to throw that away. New version 13.** is not planned anytime soon, I want to first see those spectacular remasters. Wink
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 04:37    Post subject:  
mavrothal wrote:
If yes, rather focus on usability/polishing (wireless, installation, internationalization, GUI for your sfs building scripts, version update infrastructure, etc) and forget adrv.
A 2MB adrv is an overhead that even picky users should be able to live with.


i disagree. it makes little sense 'only' if kernel panicing is unable to be resolved. otherwise it makes HUGE sense, if your looking to appeal to more than just 'puppy linux' users. if you want to also appeal to ppl who use Arch Linux, Gentoo, or Linux From Scratch...it's necessary to not have Openbox, "Living" inside the distro.

as small as tinycore is, it still doesn't give the 'freedom' a picky user would like to have. it's near impossible to get rid of their hideous shutdown menu, and ugly default wallpaper.

it doesn't matter if the adrv is only 2MB.....the important part is not to save 2MB...it's to give the usr a barebones Archpup solution. to "pacman -S whatever they want". moving those 'possibly' unwanted apps to the adrv would make this exactly how the base Arch Linux comes. So:

using the adrv = comparable to Arch Linux/Arch Bang/Puppy Linux
not using the adrv = comparable to Arch Bang/Puppy Linux

If you happen to be the type to watch 'Linux Reviews' on youtube, ppl like SneekyLinux and IcyOS/PuppyLinuxWorld tend to do reviews on distros like Puppy Linux, Tiny Core, Arch Bang; and not Gentoo or Arch Linux. while ppl like Linux4UNMe and TWIL do reviews on distros like Gentoo and Arch Linux; and not Puppy Linux, Tiny Core or Arch Bang.

letting the numbers speak for themselves, TWIL and Linux4UNME (Gentoo/Arch Linux) has more youtube suscribers than PuppyLinuxWorld and SneekyLinux (Arch Bang/Puppy Linux).

If it's set up using the adrive, there's no reason to not get a review from all of them. it would fit all of their qualifications.

why leave an audience out...when there's a simple solution to also include them? Why target 80%, when u have a simple way to appeal to the whole 100? 80% is a lot....but it's a significant margin away from 100%. one's an A the other's a B. one's a 32 hr paycheck, the other's 40 hrs. and a 32 hr paycheck, looks a lot different than a 40 hr one does.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 04:52    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
adrv will be there even if only 2 or 3 MB, because it will allow easy remasters with different DE, window managers, or in other languages.


i couldn't agree with this more. and this is what i've been yelling abt for so long now, and i'm happy that you also see the importance of it. Having come from Arch Linux yourself...it's necessary to do it this way to attract a wider scope of users.

Thanks for not 'forcing' sakura terminal on the users and giving them the option to 'choose'...without just hiding it.

same for alsa, user might want oss
same for xorg-server, user might want older version, or no X at all

the proprietary nvidia 96xx driver doesn't work with xorg-server, newer than version 1.10, this gives the option to downgrade it.

this gives the 'freedom' to pick 'everything'.
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rameshiyer

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 05:39    Post subject: LAN setup
Subject description: Wired environment		  
How to set up internet connection through wired LAN. I wants to setup Static IP address. However, not found any option. One option found me that Pwireless setup. It has eth0 option. However, setting is not possible, even if it changed, the same is moving to DHCP and selecting random IP. Not configuring other parameters properly. Another thing is to change the clock time. Please help me.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 06:02    Post subject: Re: LAN setup
Subject description: Wired environment		  
rameshiyer wrote:
Another thing is to change the clock time.


the way i've been setting the time is by adding:

Code:
hwclock --localtime --hctosys &


as the first line in the '/root/.xinitrc' script. this should set the time, to your computer's bios time.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 06:11    Post subject:  
New iso is uploading, I moved some more packages to adrv, biggest of them is faenza-icon-theme - adrv.sfs size is now 4.2 MB. xorg-server is in the main sfs, as downgrading it to version older than 1.10, would require recompiling xf86-video-* evdev input keyboard... drivers, and older versions also needed hal (not udev) for finding input devices. Anyone knowing how to do this will find removing xorg-server from archpup.sfs as trivial task.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan 2013, 06:22    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
New iso is uploading, I moved some more packages to adrv, biggest of them is faenza-icon-theme - adrv.sfs size is now 4.2 MB. xorg-server is in the main sfs, as downgrading it to version older than 1.10, would require recompiling xf86-video-* evdev input keyboard... drivers, and older versions also needed hal (not udev) for finding input devices. Anyone knowing how to do this will find removing xorg-server from archpup.sfs as trivial task.


understandable, but i myself downgrades the working xf86-video-* evdev binary pkg to go along with the older xorg-server. if i ever choose to use the proprietary nvidia 96xx driver on this machine...which i rarely ever do.
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