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ally


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 09:20    Post subject:  

hey micko

successfully installed 5.4.0.3 to a troublesome acer 8935g, first problem encountered is a lack of battery monitor - advice please....

regards

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 12:10    Post subject:  

Has anyone else had any problems with unloading SFS files via SFS_Load that you get to through the Setup app's Install tab? I get dumped out from the desktop to a black screen with lots of stuff in white text. Only way out appears to be to hit the reset button. On rebooting, the SFS I tried to remove will still be listed.

It's possible to get round it via the somewhat inelegant method of nuking the SFS from XP (or pfix=ram boot of Puppy) and then selecting the unload option once back in the main Puppy session.

The pupsave was created in 5.4.0.3 and is 256MB (IIRC) ext2 and on the NTFS hard drive. I have yet to test to see if it also happens on the FAT32 memory stick.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb 2013, 17:31    Post subject:  

Jades wrote:
Has anyone else had any problems with unloading SFS files via SFS_Load that you get to through the Setup app's Install tab?


I have a problem getting them to load via the boot manager....as a sanity check, I look in /etc/rc.d/BOOTCONFIG to see what is set to set to be loaded at boot.

Since the boot manager doesn't show what's loaded, you can't use it to unload the sfs files.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 06:24    Post subject: Slacko -beta-5.4.0.3
Subject description: SFS LOAD/UNLOAD BUG CONFIRMED
 

Hi 01micko,

The first indication of this was the updating of the layered file system at boot up followed by the loss of my customised desktop icons. (fixed with desktop template)
Aarf first reported this behaviour with 5.4.0.2 & upup precise372 a few weeks back.
http://puppylinux.info/topic/slacko-5401-thu-31-jan-2013

In my case an sfs that I had at one point loaded during testing (but no longer present in my home sub-directory) continued to show as available to load in boot manager but was in fact mounted, a copy of the relevant sfs in
another sub-directory off my home drive having loaded. Re-naming that to .xfs prevented it loading upon a reboot but it continued to show in boot manager as available to load. Attempting to load it in "load on the fly" offered the option to clear it out and upon rebooting again, normality seemed to be restored. I noted however that it still appeared in /etc/rc.d/BOOTCONFIG.save and so edited it out. (It was no longer listed in BOOTCONFIG)

Given Aarf's comments it seems like a recent new woof bug.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 07:15    Post subject:  

Bugs in bootmanager are caused by the Xdialog change, it is reverted for the next version. I don't think anything changed with bootmanager at all.

Sometimes the system can crash when unloading an sfs on the fly, I have seen it. I'd like it fixed but shinobar isn't around much these days and I haven't much time myself. Should I ditch sfs_load? No, I don't think so. You can recover with ctrl-alt-F2 and perform an immediate clean shutdown. If it doesn't get fixed then it will be documented as a "known issue".

Also, the icon bugs has been around since ever, Barry tried to fix it once and failed, that's why I made desk-setup. It's a decent work-around but also needs documenting in the "know issues".

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 10:02    Post subject:  

RE: sfs unload problem

To everyone who have encountered the issue - which kernel version you use?

Here's procedure which reproduces sfs_load hang every time (at least for me) and the symptoms are: a) SFS_load hangs on "Processing... Wait a moment..." window; b) inability to shut down the system.
1. Load devx.sfs
2. Reboot
3. Unload devx.sfs -> hang

sfs_load --debug shows that the culprit is 'losetup -d'.
Also, the following line proves that some problem was foreseen for k3.2.x.
Code:
[ $KERNELMAJORVER -eq 32 ] &&  DISSOSIATE="false" && debug "'losetup -d' is disabled. for kernel-3.2.x"

but I'm on k3.4.17 and it happens too, so I simply replaced -eq with -ge and the problem has gone, hopefully without any harm for overall functionality...

BTW, it's worth to note, that in sfs_load-1.9.3 (the one in Slacko-5.3.3) all lines with 'losetup -d' are commented out.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:04    Post subject:  

Thanks again SFR!

We'll try that in the next version and this probably explains the "sometimes" in my earlier post. (k3.2x v k3.4x). Very scientific of me , eh? Rolling Eyes Laughing

Failing that we do have a fall back. FatDog's load_sfs is reported to be very reliable in other pups too, so we can go that way as well.

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:09    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
hey micko

successfully installed 5.4.0.3 to a trouble acer 8935g, first problem encountered is a lack of battery monitor - advice please....

regards

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 11:46    Post subject:  

thanks micko

I've been struggling to get puppy to run on that acer and thought it was a compatibility issue - my bad......

it's currently running 5.3.3 as it's a windows machine on ntfs so went with a 'known' product in the end, will upgrade later

much much quicker than his win7 64 install

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 19:31    Post subject:  

SFR wrote:
RE: sfs unload problem

To everyone who have encountered the issue - which kernel version you use?


3.4.17-PAE (Slacko 5.4.03 and CPU is Pentium D 3.4.GHz).

SFR wrote:
Here's procedure which reproduces sfs_load hang every time (at least for me) and the symptoms are: a) SFS_load hangs on "Processing... Wait a moment..." window; b) inability to shut down the system.
1. Load devx.sfs
2. Reboot
3. Unload devx.sfs -> hang


I tried a similar procedure with a JRE SFS originally downloaded from this forum. I ended up at the screen shown on the attached image. CTRL-ALT-F2 didn't do anything and I had to hit the reset button.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb 2013, 19:58    Post subject:  

Hey Jades

Although symptoms you're encountering are much more "violent" than mine, could you apply the modification (that I have proposed before) to /usr/sbin/sfs_load script, to see if our issues have the same origin?
It's line 1801, after the change should look like this:
Code:
[ $KERNELMAJORVER -ge 32 ] &&  DISSOSIATE="false" && debug "'losetup -d' is disabled. for kernel-3.2.x"

Save the modified script and try to unload sfs then.

If this won't change anything, most likely there's something more...

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 03:22    Post subject:  

Fresh manual frugal install of 5.4.0.3 on this powerful P3.Display,sound and internet connection all working and correct on initial boot.Seems to be a bit slow but I normally use my Retro builds and Ttuuxxx's 214X on this thing.Slower but still usable.

# report-video
Report Video 1.4 - Wed 20 Feb 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.4.0.3 - Linux 3.2.33-4g i686

Chip description:
1.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel810(TM) Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...# report-video
Report Video 1.4 - Wed 20 Feb 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.4.0.3 - Linux 3.2.33-4g i686

Chip description:
1.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel810(TM) Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
21 frames in 5.1 seconds = 4.092 FPS
27 frames in 5.2 seconds = 5.238 FPS
28 frames in 5.1 seconds = 5.542 FPS
30 frames in 5.1 seconds = 5.866 FPS
30 frames in 5.1 seconds = 5.938 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory : 253MB (148MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Puppy Linux
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Wed Feb 20 01:15:41 2013
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

-Processor-
Name : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Family, model, stepping : 6, 8, 6 (Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron/Core Duo/Core Duo 2)
Vendor : Intel
-Configuration-
Cache Size : 256kb
Frequency : 730.94MHz
BogoMIPS : 1462.78
Byte Order : Little Endian

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:        253280       237152        16128            0        22464
-/+ buffers:             214688        38592
Swap:      1020092         6300      1013792
#


No wonder it's slower, using swap with just the browser open......... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 07:57    Post subject:  

firefox-19.0 is available in the updates manager.. (see the Setup menu... you can cheat if it hasn't updated yet by deleting /root/.packages/Packages-slackware-14.0-patches and re-starting updates manager, and get it from the Utah repo, others will catch up very soon).

The cool thing is you can open a pdf from your local media, or anywhere else. Looks nice and crisp too. I have been off mozilla as of late.. but with opera moving to webkit that will surely double it's size in the near future.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Feb 2013, 17:21    Post subject:  

Hi @James C
James C wrote:
No wonder it's slower, using swap with just the browser open.........
This is an interesting comment. Having swap, you've done a good thing is protecting that your system wouldn't quickly lock as you increase system workload. But I am curious because of an observation I've made about 32bit PUPs I/O subsystem usage when running "pfix=RAM".

If you turn off SWAP, via
Code:
swapoff /dev/...
could you notice any difference in behavior of the P3 PC? Just curious of what you might observe.

Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Feb 2013, 02:06    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
...first problem encountered is a lack of battery monitor - advice please....


Try this pet of pemasu's .. http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/pet_packages-upup/vattery_acpitool3x-0.0.1.pet

If that works ok I'll get the source and compile it for the repo.

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