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SFR
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 Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 13:08 Post subject:
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@Peebee & @Mick
Same here (ext2 on NTFS) and it also happens (what is logical) with cp -a:
| Code: | cp -a /root/somefile /mnt/home
cp: preserving permissions for `/mnt/home/somefile’: Operation not supported |
Looks like it has something to do with newer initrd.gz/bin/ntfs-3g - I rudely replaced it with older one from 5.4 and errors have gone...
EDIT:
Another workaround:
| http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntfs-3g wrote: | no_def_opts
By default ntfs-3g acts as if "silent" (ignore errors on chmod and chown), "allow_other" (allow any user to access files) and "nonempty" (allow mounting on non-empty directories) were set, and "no_def_opts" cancels these default options. |
Removing this option in init script (lines 239 & 249) disables these copy/move errors caused by newer ntfs-3g, but the question is - if that option is really needed for something or if it can be thrown away safely..?
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| Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 17:17 Post subject:
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peebee
You will notice something when you copy something to ntfs .Permissions do change. Everything turns to 777. The bug really is that the copy doesn't fail, but I like the warning that perms have changed. That's important. Changing a restricted file to 777 has security implications.
I would like to see rox patched to show the warning but the error (failed copy) fixed. I may contact npierce about this one. What say you SFR?
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SFR
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| Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 17:38 Post subject:
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| 01micko wrote: | | I would like to see rox patched to show the warning but the error (failed copy) fixed. I may contact npierce about this one. What say you SFR? |
Since files are being copied correctly, why not?
Warning would be fine - always good to know more than less. 
Hmm, but it also happens while transferring from NTFS to NTFS (the very same sda1). 
Is it ok?
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rcrsn51
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| Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 17:42 Post subject:
Re: copy / move errors ntfs? |
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| SFR wrote: | Another workaround:
| http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntfs-3g wrote: | no_def_opts
By default ntfs-3g acts as if "silent" (ignore errors on chmod and chown), "allow_other" (allow any user to access files) and "nonempty" (allow mounting on non-empty directories) were set, and "no_def_opts" cancels these default options. |
Removing this option in init script (lines 239 & 249) disables these copy/move errors caused by newer ntfs-3g, but the question is - if that option is really needed for something or if it can be thrown away safely..?
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I can confirm the problem in Slacko 5402 when copying to an NTFS-formatted /mnt/home. And I can confirm that putting the old ntfs-3g 2010.1.16 in the init fixes it.
However, if you copy to an external NTFS drive, there is no problem. In that scenario, you are now using the new /bin/ntfs-3g. If you check "mount", the NTFS partition has "allow_other". But /mnt/home has "default_permissions".
I'm guessing that the definition of "default_permissions" has changed in the new ntfs-3g,
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SFR
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Yep, it seems that the problem concerns only .../dev_save
Just created small sda2 NTFS partition and no errors while copying files there...
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01micko
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| Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 18:08 Post subject:
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Frankly, I don't care about the rox ntfs error. You install to ntfs at your peril. I don't do it, it's only a "warning" type error and the real fix is to patch rox. Removing "no_def_opts" shouldn't be a problem though.
I do realise rcrsn51, you use flash drives formatted as ntfs, in that case then I see an issue, but that's not supported in universal installer and hardly any "new user" would know about or do that.
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peebee
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| 01micko wrote: | | Frankly, I don't care about the rox ntfs error. |
Hi Mick
Surely many new Puppy users will be trying Puppy by doing frugal installs on top of and beside an existing Windows system with an ntfs formatted disk - that's certainly how I started.....
Having red fail errors popup when you move or copy files is likely to put new users off completely.
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James C
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The always enjoyable experience of Adobe Flash......... 
No problems on this Athlon XP box with 10.3r183.
EDIT:
Just checked, I'm also using 10.3r183 on the install on the P4 with no problems.
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Sage
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If Only:
Folks would listen to the great advice from mick and James !
Folks would grasp the nettle and finally, once and for all delete everything NTFS, short of nuking Redmond !
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8-bit
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Deleting everything NTFS from Puppy would in fact make it unusable as a rescue CD for use on a Windows system.
Of course, one still has to work around the secure boot shit from Microsoft.
And I have used it myself to get rid of a persistent file that was scareware in that it would pop up a window when one tried to run any application saying it was infected and to install their anti-virus software at a cost.
That one took me a while to track down.
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01micko
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| Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 06:07 Post subject:
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The rox "error" is a storm in a tea cup. People are free to do what they choose, including installing to ntfs. Rox is correct in reporting the permissions have changed and probably due to the file signature being changed (speculation) reports that it failed to copy/move. It's a simple rox bug, nothing more. I will not screw with the init or roll back ntfs-3g.
EDIT: looks like rox wont be patched without a lot of work. Rox in this case relies on the output of cp or mv. If no output it's all good, if there is then rox spits the dummy. It's actually a bug in the old ntfs-3g binary that rox didn't spit the dummy.
The only way to suppress the error is to change the init call from | Code: | | ntfs-3g $MNT_DEV $MNT_DIR -o umask=0,no_def_opts,noatime,rw |
to | Code: | | ntfs-3g $MNT_DEV $MNT_DIR -o umask=0,noatime,rw |
as suggested by SFR.
I'll leave that up to BK. This is as far as I am caring.
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tlchost
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| Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 09:57 Post subject:
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| 01micko wrote: | | tlchost wrote: | | get libreoffice is now broken with bootable usb drive...tells me it does not support DVD or low ram installs....works fine in the non-beta versions of Slacko. |
This is strange, but I guess there is some conflict. I'll resolve it soon
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Fails not only on the desktop with 16 gig of ram,but also on the laptop with
4 gig.
Works fine with the non-beta version of Slacko.
Just as a test,,,,what do I need to delete in the getlibreoffice script to disable the memory check and the usb check? I'm willing to test it with each one disabled if that would help you isolate the problem.
Thom
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Billtoo
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Location: Ontario Canada
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| Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 11:13 Post subject:
Slacko 5.4.1 Beta |
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Manual frugal install to an ext4 formatted SDHC card on AAO netbook
(11.6" screen)
video-info-glx 1.5.1 Thu7Feb2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.4.0.2 Linux 3.4.28-PAE i686
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI TechnologiesIncM880G[MobilityRadeonHD4200]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS880M 01.00
X Server: Xorg Driver: fglrx
X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1024x600 pixels (270x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: ATI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series
OpenGL version string: 3.3.11672 Compatibility Profile Context
AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo K125 Processor
Core 0: @1700 MHz
# glxgears
8573 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1714.574 FPS
8716 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1743.173 FPS
Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
It's working well but installing qt-482 from ppm took a long time.
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rodin.s
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Location: Ukraine
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| Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 12:11 Post subject:
updates_mgr gettext, opera 50%CPU |
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There is an error in line 214 of /usr/bin/updates_mgr. Variable shouldn't be a parameter to gettext. It works but it's not detected by xgettext. I have changed it like this and have also added gettext to line 216:
| Code: | <text><label>'$(gettext "Your last update was on")' '$LASTUPDATE'</label></text>
<tree>
<label>'$(gettext 'Package|Version|Description')'</label> |
Something in Opera consumes 50%CPU with only two tabs opened.
| Code: | Mem: 479436K used, 25016K free, 0K shrd, 70940K buff, 286836K cached
CPU: 65% usr 20% sys 0% nic 14% idle 0% io 0% irq 0% sirq
Load average: 3.01 2.01 2.23 2/77 3320
PID PPID USER STAT VSZ %VSZ CPU %CPU COMMAND
7112 6626 root R 57392 11% 0 47% {opera:libflashp} /usr/lib/opera/pluginwrapper/operapluginwrapper
3779 3778 root S < 154m 31% 0 8% X :0 -br -nolisten tcp
6626 5229 root S 128m 26% 0 4% /usr/lib/opera/opera
5306 1 root S 21504 4% 0 1% /root/Startup/parcellite
5390 1 root S 19392 4% 0 1% /usr/local/firewallstate/firewallstate |
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Volhout
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| Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 15:01 Post subject:
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Hi 01Micko,
Any idea how to change 5.4 into a dutch puppy ???
Regards,
Volhout
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