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stifiling

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2013, 11:32    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Looking at this code and admitting me know almost nothing
then I come to think on changing the figures?

dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/home/senseisave.3fs bs=1k count=1000000
mkfs.ext3 -q -m 0 -F /mnt/home/senseisave.3fs

if one change the count=1000000 to count=500000
then it should be 500MB and if changed to count=25000
then only 250MB?

Another thing to consider? Where to place it. If one place it on
of=/mnt/home/senseisave.3fs then in frugal booting of many other
puppies them see that save file there in home so would it not be better
to have it here of=/mnt/home/sensei/senseisave.3fs
inside a Dir dedicated to Sensei?

Another typical me thing. I don't dare to do dd

Can I not use an AlphaOS-001 savefile made byAlphaOS-001
and empty it and then Sensei fill it with it's own things?

Unless it is difficult to empty it? To move a copy of an old
savefile is much more safe than doing dd this way?


all the things you mentioned are correct. I never use the subfolder, always have my sfs's in /mnt/home...but just like you said....i have abt 20 of them in there now. using the subfolder is a great way to stay more organized. but yes, rather than dd'ing a save file...you could use a old one, filemnt it, remove the files inside, unmount it...and rename is senseisave.2/3/4fs
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rameshiyer

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PostPosted: Thu 04 Apr 2013, 12:39    Post_subject: Sensei Linux
Sub_title: Internet connection
 

Mobile partner installed and working properly.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Apr 2013, 04:06    Post_subject:  

the barebones Sensei64 should work just fine. you may encounter packages not installing because of already existing files from the original fatdog64. still trying to 'fully' clean it out. so if you run into any file conflicts when trying to install from pacman using "pacman -S" install it with "pacman -S --force". using "pacman -S --force" will overwrite the previous file and install the correct one.

If that happens, please let me know which package you were installing...so i can clean those files out.

as you can see in the title. all the isos are in "Testing". so try not to be too bothered by frequent updates. I'll be reuploading them as I discover bugs and file conflicts.

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nooby

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Apr 2013, 08:47    Post_subject:  

worked well with taking an old savefile from other puppy
and then empty it and placing in the sensei directory

But I feel unsure of how to get Swedish keyboard to survive
a reboot maybe I do it wrong. I report back
when I know it works.

what else to test, Flash and Firefox works well
and viewnior and mplayer too and geany editing
but it had not swedish either despite it had it working
the other boot so seems I have to use terminal to tell
setxkbmap se each time?

Oh and I am not used to how the xfce works it is a new experience.

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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Apr 2013, 10:54    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
worked well with taking an old savefile from other puppy
and then empty it and placing in the sensei directory

But I feel unsure of how to get Swedish keyboard to survive
a reboot maybe I do it wrong. I report back
when I know it works.

what else to test, Flash and Firefox works well
and viewnior and mplayer too and geany editing
but it had not swedish either despite it had it working
the other boot so seems I have to use terminal to tell
setxkbmap se each time?

Oh and I am not used to how the xfce works it is a new experience.


I'm not too familiar with the languages end of things. every linux i've ever tried default is english, so never had a reason to learn about it. I'm more than certain it's covered in an arch wiki. i believe simargl knows how to get it working too.

the "setxkbmap se" command u're running at every start....you can add that command to the /root/.start script...and it should be automatically executed at every boot.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Apr 2013, 05:31    Post_subject:  

64-bit Sensei64 full ISO is also now available.
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Apr 2013, 23:32    Post_subject:  

I added the save file dialog and a few other adjustments listed in the Changes: in the first post to Sensei64. Will be mirroring those same adjustments to Sensei.
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Apr 2013, 13:46    Post_subject:  

This looks very interesting, I want to try it!

How easy is it to install openbox?

Have you included simargls script for putting pacman:ed programs into
a .sfs file? Cannot remember the name?

Looks like a good job - do you intend to suport it long term?

What was ArchPup using anyway? OpenBox or LXDE?
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013, 07:00    Post_subject:  

Tried Sensei64full, downloaded iso several times

Got the following
Code:
...Peter Anvin et alll .....
EDD: Error 0400 reading sector 202484
No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!
boot:


will try pae-32 now
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013, 07:34    Post_subject:  

okay

barebones pae 32 started OK

as did non-pae sensei full.
In this one Touchpad didnt work but I guess as in ArchPup and AlphaOS
it will work with carolinas xorg.conf inserted

I would like to get sensei64 full started though, any input?
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stifiling

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr 2013, 18:30    Post_subject:  

Scooby,

Using the 64 bit sensei full ISO...could u try copying the files from the ISO and place them on the hard drive... In other words see if doing a frugal install and booting with grub or grub4dos will work as expected, rather than booting from the ISO...
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Apr 2013, 14:21    Post_subject:  

Hello stifling, just did a manual frugal instal on a Thinkpad T61, very impressive, thank you for this.

Using full version, Frisbee connected immediately, Firefox, Audacious, Viewnoir all working well.

I'm new to pacman, Arch etc, etc, but I like the clean-looking desktop/ overall appearance, neat and very functional.

I'm not a heavy user, browsing, e mail, photographs, music, etc, the usual things. Looking forward to using this distro and discovering more about it.

Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Apr 2013, 00:05    Post_subject:  

Hello, stifiling.

I downloaded and tried your Sensei for non-PAE this afternoon.
I thought I would be getting more out of 342 Mb...

No spreadsheet, no word processor, and the pacman is nowhere to be found. Or am I cock-eyed?
What's taking so much space anyway ?

Also, no fallback console, no possibility of passing parameters at startup ? Hmm...
I understand a lot of work has gone in assembling your derivative. Still, I'm disappointed.

Respectfully,

musher0

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stifiling

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Apr 2013, 03:16    Post_subject:  

@Tote

thanks for the feedback.

musher0 wrote:
Hello, stifiling.

I downloaded and tried your Sensei for non-PAE this afternoon.
I thought I would be getting more out of 342 Mb...

No spreadsheet, no word processor, and the pacman is nowhere to be found. Or am I cock-eyed?
What's taking so much space anyway ?

Also, no fallback console, no possibility of passing parameters at startup ? Hmm...
I understand a lot of work has gone in assembling your derivative. Still, I'm disappointed.

Respectfully,

musher0


The large size is pretty much due to the fact that every aspect of Puppy Linux has been meticulously examined and shrunk to be as small as possible, yet still functional. The same can't be said for Arch Linux. Puppy's icon themes are smaller, smbclient, etc. Also, a lot of the apps that puppy uses are written by users of the community with the goal of 'small as possible'. Frisbee, pnethood, pwireless, SNS, etc. Someone who uses Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or Arch....has never heard of those apps. Unless they use Puppy as well.

To tell you the truth, a Puppy user may look at Sensei and say, "WOW, that's HUGE!!" while an Arch user would say "WOW, that's SMALL!!". A default Arch installation, with 0 GUI apps....is over 500MB.

Another thing I'd like to help contribute to is, snapping Puppy Linux out of the, "Good for old computers" stereotype it currently has stapled to it. Every user I've ever asked in the Puppy Linux IRC chat room, uses Puppy Linux for specific sitiations (older computers, thumb drive, live CD rescue disk), and something else like, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch Linux on their main, newer, more expensive machine. I never liked that. I always felt a lil.....uncomfortable, having Puppy Linux on this computer, and Arch Linux on this other one. I always wanted the same system...on all of them. Including my thumb drive. Simply put...Puppy Linux is faster than Arch Linux. Which is why i used it on my older computer. Yet and still there were some apps that i wanted on that older computer...that wasn't available, and was hard as hell to compile. So i just lived without them. It's also hard as hell to do a frugal installation of Arch Linux on a thumb drive. It's easier to get those 'specific' apps installed, but still Arch is slower, and doing a frugal install and booting from an NTFS partition....a rocket scientist would have a hard time figuring it out.

Archpup was the system that solved all these issues, and that's why i based Sensei off of it.

Pacman is a console package manager. you have to install apps using the terminal. I'm working on adding PacmanExpress GUI to the 32bit isos. Also adding ctl+alt+backspace, to be able to easily exit X and get to a tty prompt. I left out the Office Suite type of applications. You can install, libreoffice, openoffice, gnumeric, abiword, etc....using pacman.

Thanks for trying it, and for the reply.
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Apr 2013, 07:02    Post_subject:  

Hello, stifiling.

Thanks much for the explanation. I'll try again, keeping in mind your advice.

Best.

musher0

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