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Fatdog64-620 Final (17 April 2013) and 621 (9 May 2013)
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sat 18 May 2013, 18:42    Post_subject:  

ECHO what gcmartin stated, one great thing running from RAM with this newest FD64 is you close the lid and it go into suspend mode, and on lid up and a keypress its instantly back live. I've gotten into the habit with my first run in RAM netbook and it would stay 'alive' disconnected from power weeks in suspend mode with lid-down. Sadly the old netbook is not 64bit and newer kernels and/or settings in last years Woof builds do not allow this option.
Ideally would like to set up a Fatdog version to fast boot from spare space on EFI portion run in RAM and be able to save back to DVD (or Bluray once I can afford a USB3 burner) First order of business is to MAX out the RAM for this netbook to 8Gs. I purposely got the cheaper model with only 2G and tiny by Win8 320G HD. The HD will be reused after storing a compressed drive image (on Bluray of course )

It takes me about 2-3 months to fill a multisession DVD with normal activity. Thats only 4Gs with a 8G RAM I could go a number of months.
Would also like the option to remote save-session to a bluray drive on another machine. (I have done something like this with nc years ago)
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PostPosted: Sat 18 May 2013, 18:47    Post_subject: jack audio kit
Sub_title: breaks sound
 

I discovered I had no sound and found out that disabeling script /etc/init.d/jackd solved the issue.

I tried renaming jackd so it would come after alsa, and with a big sleep in the script but this did not help. I think I installed jack audio kit because it was required by another package (mplayer? Needed that for memcoder) so I think disabling the deamon is not a problem for me, I do not use mplayer. But for mplayer users it would be nice if it got fixed, right?

cheers
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nooby

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 00:56    Post_subject:  

Smokey thanks, I did find that part it was the unusual thing
that FD place the save file directly on /mnt/home/
instead on /mnt/home/fd64 where I expected it to end up
and that it forced me to change ext4 to ext3 in two places
where i expected on only one place. Old habits that got challenged.

And the worst for a real absolute noob.

It changed my hardware clock so now it goes the wrong time
even on Lupu and i don't know how to set it correct.

sure it is my own fault but I am not good at reading instructions
and it introduce new things that I am not used to.

so now i have to try to find all the old instructions on how to set Lupu time
correct and I would not dare to boot into FD again because then
I am back with the wrong time and don't know how to set it straight again.

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 01:54    Post_subject:  

Ted Dog wrote:
nooby wrote:
smokey01 wrote:
Delta file from FD620 >>> FD621

http://www.smokey01.com/software/iso/Fatdog64-620.iso___Fatdog64-621.iso.delta


I have no clue what one are supposed to do with delta
maybe you can have the 621 iso there too. Just a suggestion


This is used to move from 620 to 621 if you already downloaded 620, the links to full 621 are on the first page of this topic, second msg from top. The delta file is to save bandwidth for us still stuck in the internet dark-age and/or pay by the bandwidth used. The delta between the last two versions is less than 2MB Laughing


We may create delta files for next release if the size of the delta file itself is not too big. Meanwhile, thanks for smokey01 for providing the delta.

Ted Dog wrote:
BTW I discovered why the remaster was slower with isolinux.bin the burning progam or hybridiso patched or repatched isolinux.bin so you can't reuse the one found on the burned media, a fresh copy needs to come from /usr/share/syslinux for each remaster. Embarassed

Discover this as a warning in the documentation about using level 2 with older version of other toolsets like hybridiso, or burning programs like growisofs.
Odd, if you look at /usr/sbin/fatdog-remaster.sh, in function create_remaster (around line 449), you will see that it does copy a fresh new isolinux.bin from /usr/share/syslinux ... Shocked

Hans wrote:
I discovered I had no sound and found out that disabeling script /etc/init.d/jackd solved the issue.

I tried renaming jackd so it would come after alsa, and with a big sleep in the script but this did not help. I think I installed jack audio kit because it was required by another package (mplayer? Needed that for memcoder) so I think disabling the deamon is not a problem for me, I do not use mplayer. But for mplayer users it would be nice if it got fixed, right?

cheers
mplayer pulls jackd because it needs the jack library (that's how it was compiled - I think). It certainly doesn't need jackd 'service' to run at all. Btw if install mplayer you also need to install lives_support.pet --- the dependency isn't auto-detected because files in lives_support used to be inside the base ISO; they were pulled out in 610 release or so and re-packaged into this pet.

Btw, when jackd runs no other alsa app can have sound - because jackd takes over sound devices exclusively. Only jack applications can have sound when jackd is running.

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Hans

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 06:30    Post_subject:  

JamesBond wrote:
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Btw, when jackd runs no other alsa app can have sound - because jackd takes over sound devices exclusively. Only jack applications can have sound when jackd is running


Yup, I found out the hard way. In the process of digging for a solution I somehow managed to F*&@ up the install. Somehow the hald process got screwed up, lsmod only gave 4 modules. Bummer. But I had a backup uf the savefile so no harm done. Another lesson learned.

Did you see my previous post about virtualbox?

Is it normal for this sfs to need the kernel source? I would think it would be part of devx. At first I thought devx was not fully loaded.

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prehistoric


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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 11:13    Post_subject:  

Just want to report that Smokey's delta 620 to 621 iso worked for me. Just tested 621 on one machine, but, so far, no new problems.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 14:39    Post_subject:  

Hans wrote:
Did you see my previous post about virtualbox?

Is it normal for this sfs to need the kernel source? I would think it would be part of devx. At first I thought devx was not fully loaded.

cheers

Ah I missed it. The SFS in Fatdog's repo is for 610, which comes with an older kernel so you'll need to rebuild the modules. And yes, starting from 620 you will need *both* devx and *kernel sources*.

In the past the kernel sources was included in devx for convenience, but unfortunately we have to break that tradition and separate the kernel source from devx due to our SCM system breaking down when we have too many changed files in devx (=that is, then the kernel sources are inside devx).

from announcement for 620 (second post of this thread). wrote:
Move kernel source to separate sfs file. Makes administration less problematic for us.
I don't blame you if you don't see it, I need to use the search function to find it too Laughing
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sun 19 May 2013, 15:51    Post_subject:  

prehistoric wrote:
Just want to report that Smokey's delta 620 to 621 iso worked for me. Just tested 621 on one machine, but, so far, no new problems.


Xdelta also works to reverse.,I thought why not keep the most current iso and make a reverse Delta for previous iso before deleting it. That way I can go back if I want, which I never really do. Also any other distros iso also work. heck any two versions of most anything (except binary blob stuff for video cards) xdelta could also be included as a dot pet compressor for larger sfs and pet that are the same minus kernel updates.it would be great for stuff like wine and vbox.
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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2013, 15:54    Post_subject: Couple of FD621 issues on Desktop PC without Wireless  

Kirk, JamesBond, anyone. Would you comment on this?
Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon 20 May 2013, 16:02    Post_subject: A list of all packages in the currently booted system  

This question has probably been asked dozens and dozens of times in various ways in Linux history.

In FATDOG or PUPs in general, is there a system tool which will list the packages/subsystems that came installed from the ISO?

The PPM system does a very creditable job maintaining a list of packages installed, but, I am wondering if something exist to show a list of either what is available in the booted system or a combined list of all installed currently in the booted system.

Thanks for any guidance.

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Gobbi

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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2013, 11:22    Post_subject:  

On FD64-621 , as before , I could install only the ati_13.3b3 pet for my HD7870 XT card . Again with AMD's Testing Watermark. But Catalyst works fine with it.
Today , I found a way to get rid of it Very Happy - into an ' ask.ubuntu ... ' site .

I edited /etc/ati/signature file replacing the "UNSIGNED" line with the following code:

9777c589791007f4aeef06c922ad54a2:ae59f5b9572136d99fdd36f0109d358fa643f2bd4a2644d9efbb4fe91a9f6590a145:f612f0b01f2565cd9bd834f8119b309bae11a1ed4a2661c49fdf3fad11986cc4f641f1ba1f2265909a8e34ff1699309bf211a7eb4d7662cd9f8e3faf14986d92f646f1bc

I saved the file and restarted X . No more Watermark Exclamation

It was on 'http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx'
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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2013, 11:32    Post_subject: Re: A list of all packages in the currently booted system  

gcmartin wrote:
In FATDOG or PUPs in general, is there a system tool which will list the packages/subsystems that came installed from the ISO?
Older puppies, yes, it is called PetBeGone from pizzasgood. Newer puppies, not that I know of. Fatdog, no.

gcmartin wrote:
Issue #1
The GUI icon on the taskbar has a "Quit Wireless" selection.

If you have a wired connection AND a wireless connection on the same system (such as when using a laptop) and one clicks "Quit Wireless", the system will drop both the wired AND the wireless IP addresses from the active system. This causes any active LAN connections over the wired connection will be "hung".

Question
Is that its intended behavior? If so, should the selection be labeled something different?

It is a bug. Thank you for reporting it. Will be fixed in next release (whenever it will be - it will not be in the near future). As a workaround you can use Network Wizard to configure your wired network - this way it won't be affected by Wpagui.

EDIT: CORRECTION: This is not a bug, this is the intended way it is supposed to work. Wpagui by default manages *all* connection, wired and wireless, so quitting it will stop all networks, restarting it will restart *all* networks. The suggestion is still the same: if you need to manage interfaces independently of Wpagui, use Network Wizard (from Control Panel etc).

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Issue #2
After adding LVM PET to the system via PPM, the systems LVM, though see via pv/lv display, I cannot mount the LVM. Need guidance and a recommendation to have the LVM partition auto-started at boot time. Currently, I am booting the ...Multi... selection on the boot menu as it automatically accesses my save-session without need to type.
Is your LVM partition detected when you boot with the "with LVM support" menu item? If yes, when you boot with "multi" option, press Tab and append "withlvm" to the boot command line. Note: the LVM2 package is not needed (it doesn't harm either way).

Gobbi wrote:
Today , I found a way to get rid of it
Good find
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Hans

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PostPosted: Tue 21 May 2013, 17:52    Post_subject: devx and kernel source  

Thanks Jamesbond, yeah I missed that, thanks for the info. As always time is the issue. Would love to be able to put more time in fatdog, though, it's worth it.
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gnomic

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PostPosted: Wed 22 May 2013, 01:42    Post_subject: wifi, 3G  

Thanks for info about not using Pwireless (I never liked it much anyway :-\/) - at present seem to have a reliable wifi session going via WPA.

Would I be correct in thinking FD621 can't use a 3G modem out of the box? Couldn't find usb_modeswitch which I think is more or less essential to getting 3G up and running. Any easy as way of getting it going do you happen to know?
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gnomic

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PostPosted: Wed 22 May 2013, 02:30    Post_subject: cp error  

Just copied an iso from the Downloads directory to a USB stick where it ought to have gone in the first place. In the process I saw the following message in the copy dialogue box. The file does appear to have been copied accurately going by the md5sum. Something to look into in your copious spare time perhaps Smile

cp: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/sdc1/precise-5.6.iso': Operation not permitted
Failed to copy '/root/spot/Downloads/precise-5.6.iso'

Done
There was one error.
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