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Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Apr 2013, 12:50    Post subject:  Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

Finally looks like I've figured out settings to burn and multisession using the bluray medium and support correct files sizes reporting, avoid the large sized file/directory bug and the DVD size limit rollover corruption issue.
Was able to pull this off with FatDog64v620, but regular puppylinux I haven't been able to untangle multisession code from affecting my efforts. Hopefully BK will see the changes with FatDog64 and know where those differences go. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 14:28    Post subject:  

@Ted Dog

This is good news. BD offers great usefulness in Live media use and data preseevation, as well.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 15:46    Post subject: Re: Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

Ted Dog wrote:
Finally looks like I've figured out settings to burn and multisession using the bluray medium and support correct files sizes reporting, avoid the large sized file/directory bug and the DVD size limit rollover corruption issue.
Was able to pull this off with FatDog64v620, but regular puppylinux I haven't been able to untangle multisession code from affecting my efforts. Hopefully BK will see the changes with FatDog64 and know where those differences go. Embarassed
Has this anything to to with pBurn, or is it when running Puppy from BluRay disc?


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 15:51    Post subject:  

Zigbert, I think it's for when multisession Puppy is running from a Blu-Ray disk, but the settings may still be useful in Pburn.

Ted, I'll be glad to test it if installation is pretty much a point-and-click operation. (Or instructions for remastering with it are included in the package.)
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 19:50    Post subject:  

Note only Fatdog64v620 growisofs works, The attempt to recreate same-o-same-o with a Bluray bootable latest Wary and its growisofs acted differently.

But a combo Wary & Fatdog64 attempt burned with FD64's growisofs does boot which ever I choose. Since Fatdog and Wary handle multisession using different name-date, they may not conflict with one another, on the same disc... Time/testing will tell. Wink

@Flash do you have a 64bit computer? if so PM me for the details, need a BR-RE disc this is still in early 'lab' phase.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 20:04    Post subject: Re: Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

zigbert wrote:
Ted Dog wrote:
Finally looks like I've figured out settings to burn and multisession using the bluray medium and support correct files sizes reporting, avoid the large sized file/directory bug and the DVD size limit rollover corruption issue.
Was able to pull this off with FatDog64v620, but regular puppylinux I haven't been able to untangle multisession code from affecting my efforts. Hopefully BK will see the changes with FatDog64 and know where those differences go. Embarassed
Has this anything to to with pBurn, or is it when running Puppy from BluRay disc?


Sigmund


For you it will be a easy two line setting change, and a modified growisofs, but I will not touch pBurn its a master piece Razz I'd hate to show my lack of scripting skill.

I'll PM you the growisofs command line used for a pre-view. But the modified growisofs executable would act/work the same.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 20:15    Post subject: Re: Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

Ted Dog wrote:

For you it will be a easy two line setting change, and a modified growisofs, but I will not touch pBurn its a master piece Razz I'd hate to show my lack of scripting skill.

I'll PM you the growisofs command line used for a pre-view. But the modified growisofs executable would act/work the same.


Why do it in a PM? Post what you've done to make it work so others can try it with other puppy versions. The more people that can test this... the sooner we will be able to iron our any issues.

I dont think any of the devs here will look down on anyone for lack of scripting skill... any progress is still progress. Smile

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 21:03    Post subject: Re: Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

Q5sys wrote:
Ted Dog wrote:

For you it will be a easy two line setting change, and a modified growisofs, but I will not touch pBurn its a master piece Razz I'd hate to show my lack of scripting skill.

I'll PM you the growisofs command line used for a pre-view. But the modified growisofs executable would act/work the same.


Why do it in a PM? Post what you've done to make it work so others can try it with other puppy versions. The more people that can test this... the sooner we will be able to iron our any issues.

I dont think any of the devs here will look down on anyone for lack of scripting skill... any progress is still progress. Smile


Still in very raw state and they do not pick on me, online... Rolling Eyes

They are experts in multisession and/or disc burning methods and have a stake in directing me from posting untested error filled instructions.

Once reproduced and changes understood to puppys world, it will just be a checkbox and transparent to users. Check your PM...
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 21:16    Post subject: Re: Major advance in Bluray multisession effort.  

Ted Dog wrote:

Still in very raw state and they do not pick on me, online... Rolling Eyes

They are experts in multisession and/or disc burning methods and have a stake in directing me from posting untested error filled instructions.

Once reproduced and changes understood to puppys world, it will just be a checkbox and transparent to users. Check your PM...



Open Source Software vs Open Source Development. They are not the same thing.
Open Source development is all about transparency through the entire development process. Its not just about opening the source after its created. More eyes during the development stage make a better product. If you're worried about posting potentially dangerous code... then just make a big disclaimer like...

THIS CODE IS ALPHA (or beta) USING IT MAY DAMAGE YOUR SYSTEM

I understand not wanting to put out information which may be incorrect... but OSS development works by everyone being able to see the code.
Alot of development here on things has been done incrementally with people pitching in on various versions of the code. The speeding up snapmerge thread pops into mind.

If the code remains a secret until someone declares it 'stable' then potential input that other people may have had... will be not be shared.

But if you want to keep it all secret until its 'done', that's your choice.
Either way you go, I wish you the best; and look forward to when its done.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 22:18    Post subject:  

OK Q here is the secret.......

<1> use 224 MB FatDog64v620. Nothing else works
<2> use the suggestion found here....
<3> ????
<4> Make own iso file with those setting
<5> Burn iso with growisofs compiled with soft warnings
<6> rewrite the multisession burning script making same changes as #2
<7> rewrite error handling in multisession burn script to not give it an option to fail, force it to continue at all points.

only tested on one burner/computer.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 22:33    Post subject:  

Ted, would you edit that last post to include a link to where the FatDog64v620 iso can be found? Smile

I have a 64-bit computer with 4 GB of RAM and a Blu-Ray burner but no hard disk drive. I also have several Kodak BD-RE disks. About a year ago I tried a version of Fatdog64 and it worked fine. I run Puppy from a multisession DVD, so experimenting with Blu-Pup can't cause me any problems.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 22:52    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Ted, would you edit that last post to include a link to where the FatDog64v620 iso can be found? Smile

I have a 64-bit computer with 4 GB of RAM and a Blu-Ray burner but no hard disk drive. I also have several Kodak BD-RE disks. About a year ago I tried a version of Fatdog64 and it worked fine. I run Puppy from a multisession DVD, so experimenting with Blu-Pup can't cause me any problems.



Start page of the link above has the download, and details.

step #3 was an effort to remaster the version above, was confused when I did that but used the make sfs outside of inird.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 22:54    Post subject:  

Just lost power and my blu-ray multisession computer ...... on laptop (and windoews Mad )
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 23:24    Post subject:  

No harddrive remake method.

With the 4Gs RAM (like mine) you will be able to download and burn fatdog64v620 on a BD-RE from whatever version you are currently using.

The standard version of FD64 is bootable on bluray due to the huge initrd method it uses. Choose standard boot (NOT multisession label)

We will be remastering and re-burning changes, if you selected multisession at boot it will be a mismatch on iso setting and that does not work with changes needed.

OK go ahead and make whatever changes you like ( I added ace solitaire game pet from smokeys 64bit repo and Nvidia drivers from fatdog64 repo )

this will be posted in parts bad storm power cuts in/out
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Apr 2013, 23:46    Post subject:  

mount bluray used to boot

select [start] Control Panel

Right side tab Utiliities

Fatdog remaster live-cd {top row three over}

This is like my sloppy remaster method of snapshotting running system DO NOT START NEW PRGS, Just let everything settle


<yes>
select bluray mount point


skip EFI <NEXT>

leave everything checked <NEXT>

Be-sure to have /tmp selected (there is plenty of room)

Next step is important for boot speed

select {small initrd}
[next][next]<OK>

wait for it ... wait for it ... aren't you glad you run from RAM this is so much slower of USB Flash drive like my first attempt.

OK NOW ITS OK to start a new game of solitaire.

POPUP for changes to iso&Grub boot loader are going to be posted later. just hit <OK>

create a directory in /tmp it should be in-front of you now
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