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Puppus Dogfellow


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PostPosted: Sun 22 Dec 2013, 17:21    Post subject:  

machine finally decided it was in need of an update, and i couldn't resist, so:

LO414pet, us-en, 195mb
LO414sfs, us-en, 163mb

414 is arguably a nicer number...
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Dec 2013, 17:48    Post subject:  

LibreOffice 4.1.4 fr (PET) is now available here :
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PostPosted: Fri 27 Dec 2013, 06:08    Post subject:  

Thank you all! Everything added to the first post.
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PostPosted: Sat 28 Dec 2013, 23:58    Post subject: v. 4.1.x won't work in older Puppies  

I've read the note on the first page that versions past 4.1.x won't work on older Puppies. I can confirm that's true. I had 4.0.3 working fine on Fluppy, but 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 won't run, even after recompressing the SFS to use gzip rather than xz compression.

If I run /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice.bin I get either "Segmentation fault" or "Trace/breakpoint trap" or occasionally "Illegal instruction".

Is there no fix for this? It's not a big deal, I'm just curious to know what's changed with the v. 4.1.x releases and whether I can hack it to work...
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 23:26    Post subject: Re: v. 4.1.x won't work in older Puppies  

ac2011 wrote:
I've read the note on the first page that versions past 4.1.x won't work on older Puppies. I can confirm that's true. I had 4.0.3 working fine on Fluppy, but 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 won't run, even after recompressing the SFS to use gzip rather than xz compression.

If I run /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice.bin I get either "Segmentation fault" or "Trace/breakpoint trap" or occasionally "Illegal instruction".

Is there no fix for this? It's not a big deal, I'm just curious to know what's changed with the v. 4.1.x releases and whether I can hack it to work...


Actually even 4.0.6 doesn't work - same errors, even with pfix=ram. So 4.0.3 is the last one that'll work on this machine. I'd love to know why.
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Dec 2013, 00:22    Post subject: Re: v. 4.1.x won't work in older Puppies  

ac2011 wrote:
ac2011 wrote:
I've read the note on the first page that versions past 4.1.x won't work on older Puppies. I can confirm that's true. I had 4.0.3 working fine on Fluppy, but 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 won't run, even after recompressing the SFS to use gzip rather than xz compression.

If I run /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice.bin I get either "Segmentation fault" or "Trace/breakpoint trap" or occasionally "Illegal instruction".

Is there no fix for this? It's not a big deal, I'm just curious to know what's changed with the v. 4.1.x releases and whether I can hack it to work...


Actually even 4.0.6 doesn't work - same errors, even with pfix=ram. So 4.0.3 is the last one that'll work on this machine. I'd love to know why.


have you tried the portable apps version? they're apparently up to 4.1.4 in that format. i've never personally actually ever used this format, but i can remember coming across various favorable things about it. in fact, i think the person who made the dropbox pet i've been using for the last two years or so derived it from that platform...

anyway, here's the link:

http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable


have you tried the pet version? i've had machines that work better one way than the other. I'm using precise 5.5 right now on this machine. around the time i upgraded LO from 3 to 4 on it, i lost the ability to cleanly install/buglessly use libreoffice sfs files--too many remnants of old installs or something. i got rid of what i could, went the pet route, and no problems since.

think i'll try to sfs route next time, just to see if the problem's healed...
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Dec 2013, 07:36    Post subject:  

ac2011,

I think it may have to do with glibc, a glibc upgrade lets you run new software on older Puppy but it can have side effects. I you want to give it a go, here's a thread with information on updating glibc:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66373

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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 23:26    Post subject:  

vicmz wrote:
ac2011,

I think it may have to do with glibc, a glibc upgrade lets you run new software on older Puppy but it can have side effects. I you want to give it a go, here's a thread with information on updating glibc:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=66373


I don't think it's that. GlibC versions are the same in Fluppy and Carolina and it works fine in Carolina. I have tried tweaking GlibC for LibreOffice in Fluppy (as per my post halfway down this page: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81312&start=1065) but I get the same result: segmentation fault.

I'd like to know the underlying reason. It might be possible to work around it.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Jan 2014, 23:28    Post subject: Re: v. 4.1.x won't work in older Puppies  

Puppus Dogfellow wrote:
ac2011 wrote:
ac2011 wrote:
I've read the note on the first page that versions past 4.1.x won't work on older Puppies. I can confirm that's true. I had 4.0.3 working fine on Fluppy, but 4.1.2 and 4.1.4 won't run, even after recompressing the SFS to use gzip rather than xz compression.

If I run /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice.bin I get either "Segmentation fault" or "Trace/breakpoint trap" or occasionally "Illegal instruction".

Is there no fix for this? It's not a big deal, I'm just curious to know what's changed with the v. 4.1.x releases and whether I can hack it to work...


Actually even 4.0.6 doesn't work - same errors, even with pfix=ram. So 4.0.3 is the last one that'll work on this machine. I'd love to know why.


have you tried the portable apps version? they're apparently up to 4.1.4 in that format. i've never personally actually ever used this format, but i can remember coming across various favorable things about it. in fact, i think the person who made the dropbox pet i've been using for the last two years or so derived it from that platform...

anyway, here's the link:

http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable


have you tried the pet version? i've had machines that work better one way than the other. I'm using precise 5.5 right now on this machine. around the time i upgraded LO from 3 to 4 on it, i lost the ability to cleanly install/buglessly use libreoffice sfs files--too many remnants of old installs or something. i got rid of what i could, went the pet route, and no problems since.

think i'll try to sfs route next time, just to see if the problem's healed...


Thanks, I might give that a try. There's definitely something fundamentally changed, though. Even with a clean boot (pfix=ram) the segmentation fault remains.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 17:45    Post subject:  

hi ac2011

ok you aroused my curiosity so I did some tests to add to your findings.

Testing on 4.12.... segmentation fault. Same machine with Lucid is fine so not a cpu issue.

tried glibc 2.10 ...same.

Tried gcc change...same

tried gtk 2.14 same... gtk2.18 ibiblio gave bad pet so could not test..I suspect this may be a likely cause of the problem.

Glib 2.18 ... same

did try using mozilla libs and lincurl from the pup rather than supplied... same

Sort of ran out of ideas and surprised as the build in general seems to be built to be compatible.

Tried with and without java and the included python 3 runs fine.

If anything else occurs to me I will post.

mike
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 18:15    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
hi ac2011

ok you aroused my curiosity so I did some tests to add to your findings.

Testing on 4.12.... segmentation fault. Same machine with Lucid is fine so not a cpu issue.

tried glibc 2.10 ...same.

Tried gcc change...same

tried gtk 2.14 same... gtk2.18 ibiblio gave bad pet so could not test..I suspect this may be a likely cause of the problem.

Glib 2.18 ... same

did try using mozilla libs and lincurl from the pup rather than supplied... same

Sort of ran out of ideas and surprised as the build in general seems to be built to be compatible.

Tried with and without java and the included python 3 runs fine.

If anything else occurs to me I will post.

mike


Thanks for taking the time to do that. Nice to know it's not just me Wink

According to Claws-mail I'm running GTK+ 2.22.1 / GLib 2.27.4 in Fluppy. Carolina runs GTK+ 2.24 from memory.

You think a later GTK+ may be required? That would make sense. If I can find a later PET I might try it on a test system (I'm aware this will probably bork everything else).
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 18:45    Post subject:  

Quote:
According to Claws-mail I'm running GTK+ 2.22.1 / GLib 2.27.4 in Fluppy. Carolina runs GTK+ 2.24 from memory.

hmm thats would tend to rule out that possibility. My gcc test was a bit rushed too since I was having problems with pets from ibiblio.

Google did not come up with anything that seemed relevant either.

I will sit on it for a while ...segmentation faults sort of narrow down what to look for but at the same time give no clues of specifically where to look.

I have stuck with 3.6.4 for now as i have yet to find any quirks but at some point would probably want to update.

My reapproach might involve something like swapping libs from Lucid one at a time....you might want to try a similar method with your two pups.

I did an ldd of soffice.bin to get a library list and focused on the shared ones rather than the ones that come withe libreoffice.

mike
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 18:47    Post subject:  

I installed gtk+-2.24.8-w5c PET and Claws now reports GTK+ 2.24.8 / GLib 2.27.4 so I think it 'took' OK.

Using the latest 4.1.4 SFS (expanded and then recompressed with GZIP so Fluppy can use it) I still get a segmentation fault. Same thing with my GlibC 2.11.3 tweak.

Running ldd /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/soffice.bin gives me this:

Code:
   linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
   libuno_sal.so.3 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_sal.so.3 (0xb777a000)
   libsofficeapp.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsofficeapp.so (0xb7720000)
   libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb75e0000)
   libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb75c9000)
   libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb75c4000)
   librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0xb75bc000)
   libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb74d5000)
   libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb74ad000)
   libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb74a2000)
   libcomphelper.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libcomphelper.so (0xb736a000)
   libuno_cppu.so.3 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_cppu.so.3 (0xb7345000)
   libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3 (0xb72a6000)
   libdeploymentmisclo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libdeploymentmisclo.so (0xb727f000)
   libi18nlangtag.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libi18nlangtag.so (0xb7254000)
   libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3 (0xb724c000)
   libsfxlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsfxlo.so (0xb6e4d000)
   libsvllo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsvllo.so (0xb6d72000)
   libsvtlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsvtlo.so (0xb6a73000)
   libtklo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libtklo.so (0xb67ad000)
   libtllo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libtllo.so (0xb6740000)
   libucbhelper.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libucbhelper.so (0xb66db000)
   libutllo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libutllo.so (0xb65ed000)
   libvcllo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libvcllo.so (0xb60a8000)
   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77c8000)
   libicuuc.so.51 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libicuuc.so.51 (0xb5f73000)
   libreglo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libreglo.so (0xb5f59000)
   libunoidllo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libunoidllo.so (0xb5f34000)
   libxmlreaderlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libxmlreaderlo.so (0xb5f2b000)
   libxmlscriptlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libxmlscriptlo.so (0xb5eb8000)
   libxml2.so.2 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libxml2.so.2 (0xb5d56000)
   libbasegfxlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libbasegfxlo.so (0xb5ce4000)
   libdrawinglayerlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libdrawinglayerlo.so (0xb5bcc000)
   libfwelo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libfwelo.so (0xb5b56000)
   libsaxlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsaxlo.so (0xb5b3d000)
   libsblo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsblo.so (0xb59e0000)
   libsotlo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsotlo.so (0xb598f000)
   libi18nutil.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libi18nutil.so (0xb5979000)
   libjvmfwklo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libjvmfwklo.so (0xb5963000)
   libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb5865000)
   libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb5856000)
   libcups.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 (0xb582a000)
   libdbus-glib-1.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 (0xb580e000)
   libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 (0xb57d7000)
   libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0xb57a4000)
   libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0xb56d9000)
   libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0xb56ab000)
   libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0xb5636000)
   libnspr4.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libnspr4.so (0xb55f6000)
   libnss3.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libnss3.so (0xb54a1000)
   libsmime3.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libsmime3.so (0xb5474000)
   libjvmaccesslo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libjvmaccesslo.so (0xb546d000)
   libicule.so.51 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libicule.so.51 (0xb541e000)
   liblcms2.so.2 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/liblcms2.so.2 (0xb53d7000)
   libicudata.so.51 => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libicudata.so.51 (0xb3e8d000)
   libstorelo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/../ure-link/lib/libstorelo.so (0xb3e77000)
   libcanvastoolslo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libcanvastoolslo.so (0xb3e45000)
   libcppcanvaslo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libcppcanvaslo.so (0xb3e03000)
   libfwilo.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libfwilo.so (0xb3dd6000)
   libxcb.so.1 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0xb3dc1000)
   libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xb3d8d000)
   libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb3c89000)
   libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0xb3c56000)
   libpcre.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpcre.so.0 (0xb3c27000)
   libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xb3c23000)
   libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0xb3c07000)
   libnssutil3.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libnssutil3.so (0xb3be4000)
   libplc4.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libplc4.so (0xb3bdf000)
   libplds4.so => /opt/libreoffice4.1/program/libplds4.so (0xb3bdb000)
   libXau.so.6 => /usr/X11R7/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb3bd8000)


which tells me very little, but someone with a bit more knowledge might be able to see a glaring issue.
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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 19:06    Post subject:  

Not a glaring issue, just a list of libraries in use which could be tested one by one...yes its as tedious as it sounds though so far several have been eliminated as a cause.

Its a bit like fumbling in the dark and otherwise any debug info for segemntation faults would come in the form of memory dumps though it might point to a specific libray...unfortunately i am unsure of how to obtain that either.

Gumboots needed

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 21:32    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Not a glaring issue, just a list of libraries in use which could be tested one by one...yes its as tedious as it sounds though so far several have been eliminated as a cause.

Its a bit like fumbling in the dark and otherwise any debug info for segemntation faults would come in the form of memory dumps though it might point to a specific libray...unfortunately i am unsure of how to obtain that either.

Gumboots needed

mike


Got it Smile

libgcc_s.so.1 from Carolina 1.1 allows me to run LibreOffice 4.1.4.2 on Fluppy. I haven't tested it extensively, but the program runs and seems fine on first inspection.

Here's the file. For safety, best to keep it separate to the rest of your system and invoke with, eg. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/carolina_gcc_lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH and then launch LibreOffice.

Hope this helps others.
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