Page 3 of 7

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 13:00
by rcrsn51
FYI, as a diagnostic tool, I have used rcrsn51's peasydisc.
Please describe step-by-step exactly what you are doing in PeasyDisc.

What Puppy version are you using?

Did it work the way you wanted?

Embarrassed request for help

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 13:25
by sheldonisaac
rcrsn51 wrote:
FYI, as a diagnostic tool, I have used rcrsn51's peasydisc.
Please describe step-by-step exactly what you are doing in PeasyDisc.

What Puppy version are you using?

Did it work the way you wanted?
Oh, thank you very much for such a quick response!
Can I get back to you a little later; it was a couple of days ago, and I'd need to do it again to get the steps.

Anyhow, PeasyDisc did give the 'Press enter' or whatever, after burning and fixating the disc, so that I could exit that.
Whereas pBurn 4.20 does not.
Maybe the version of cdrecord?

Re: Embarrassed request for help

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 14:59
by rcrsn51
rcrsn51 wrote:Did it work the way you wanted?
Before continuing, I need a clear answer to this. Did the disc you burned with PeasyDisc work in your player? Could you play the MP3s?

Re: Embarrassed request for help

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 15:12
by sheldonisaac
rcrsn51 wrote:
rcrsn51 wrote:Did it work the way you wanted?
Before continuing, I need a clear answer to this. Did the disc you burned with PeasyDisc work in your player? Could you play the MP3s?
Yes, thank you. It was a version prior to the PeasyDisc 2.5

test of data burning

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 16:40
by sheldonisaac
rcrsn51 wrote:
FYI, as a diagnostic tool, I have used rcrsn51's peasydisc.
Please describe step-by-step exactly what you are doing in PeasyDisc.

What Puppy version are you using?

Did it work the way you wanted?
Just installed ver 2.5 under Lucid Puppy (no savefile) 5.2.8.6
Started PeasyDisc, changed device to sr1, blanked the 4X CD-RW disc, (from perhaps a decade ago, "k Hypermedia").
Got the "Press Enter" prompt, did so, got the PeasyDisc main menu.
Ejected and reloaded the disc.

Clicked the Advanced tab, and browsed to a folder of MP3s, clicked OK.
Clicked New Disc
Clicked Write
"Are you writing to a CD?"
Clicked Yes.
It did some burning, and then said
Fixating time: 77.158s
cdrecord: fifo had 1499 puts and 1499 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 1381 times full, min fill was 90%.

Press Enter
I did press Enter.
The Sony CD-RW CRX140E ejected the disk.

I put it into my living-room DVD/CD/CD-RW player, and closed the tray.
First it said
LOAD
, for about 15 seconds, then it said
MP-3
, and played the first file. No doubt it'll play all of them.

Thanks,
Sheldon

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 17:18
by rcrsn51
Thanks. Here is a second test instead of using Advanced > Write.

1. Run Advanced > Make an ISO.
2. Run Basic > Burn an ISO.

This method uses a slightly different set of parameters. Does the disc still play?

testing..

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 18:30
by sheldonisaac
rcrsn51 wrote:Thanks. Here is a second test instead of using Advanced > Write.

1. Run Advanced > Make an ISO.
2. Run Basic > Burn an ISO.

This method uses a slightly different set of parameters. Does the disc still play?
I may not have time to do the tests at the moment with a savefile.
Will try it now, as before, with your new instructions, no savefile.

1. ISO saved in a few seconds as newiso.iso

2. cdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150
Writing pregap for track 1 at -150
Starting new track at sector: 0
bla bla
Writing time: 156.969s
Avg spd 3.1x
Fixating
bla bla
Press Enter

Tried loading the disc twice into the Samsung player: it keeps saying "NO DISC"

Don't have time for further tests until this evening.

Disc plays fine in the CD-RW drive on my computer.

Thanks much,
Sheldon

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 20:21
by rcrsn51
OK. Your first test using Advanced > Write creates a temporary ISO using "mkisofs -r -J -f", then burns it with "cdrecord -multi -data". This combination should be most compatible with devices like your player.

Your second test uses "mkisofs -r -D -isolevel 4 -f" and "cdrecord -dao -data". This one is designed to work in Linux-compatible situations.

So I'm not surprised that your first test worked and the second one failed.

Posted: Tue 12 Nov 2013, 23:58
by zigbert
rcrsn51
Thank you for your cooperation.
It seems we agree on the mkisofs/cdrecord attributes.
Your second test uses "mkisofs -r -D -isolevel 4 -f" and "cdrecord -dao -data". This one is designed to work in Linux-compatible situations.
If I got it right, this one is also the one that will work for windows XP/7/8.


Sigmund

Posted: Mon 18 Nov 2013, 13:36
by edoc
Built a slide show with music yesterday & 2.6 worked really well, thanks!

Next is some video editing.

Lots of computer changes here so my testing has been delayed.

Thanks again!

Posted: Mon 18 Nov 2013, 16:00
by rcrsn51
edoc wrote:Built a slide show with music yesterday & 2.6 worked really well
Excellent. Your next project is to simply glue some video clips into a movie, burn it to DVD and verify that it plays.

Then we can look at adding still images.

Be aware that PeasyDisc cannot do any fancy effects like fading. But there is a basic cropping tool under Video3.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 02:53
by Flash
I tried to use PeasyDisc in Precise Puppy to burn a backup of my favorite DVDs to a rewritable Blu-Ray disc. Here's what happened: Nothing. :(

If it makes you feel any better, Pburn does the same thing, only it fakes burning for half the Blu-Ray disk before stopping and giving essentially the same error message as PeasyDisc did. PeasyDisc tells me right away that it won't work.

I assumed that I didn't need to blank the BD-RE disc before telling PeasyDisc to burn the folder containing 5 x 4.4 GB iso files onto it. ROX says the total size of the folder I was trying to burn is 22 GB.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 04:33
by rcrsn51
In the terminal window, you can see the reference to genisoimage. The optical burning tools in Precise cannot handle files greater than 4 GB. You need to use a Puppy that has the appropriate tools. See the discussion about Blu-ray on Page 3.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 04:55
by Flash
Thanks! :)

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 05:03
by rcrsn51
It may be possible to upgrade Precise to handle large files. Go into /usr/bin and locate three files - genisoimage, mkisofs and growisofs. Some of them may be symlinks. Then go into Upup Raring and find the matching files. Copy them from Raring to Precise.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 05:53
by OscarTalks
Is PeasyDisc trying to execute genisoimage directly or mkisofs?

In Precise, mkisofs is a symlink to genisoimage (from the old cdrkit package I believe).

My cdrtools-3 package for Precise contains a mkisofs which is a real file. You could try installing that. I compiled it as a dependency for upgrading to latest pBurn and you can download it from here:-
http://yadi.sk/d/zTshLczR4wHj8

The growisofs file is part of a different package, dvd+rwtools, which I thought was already in Precise. I did compile it from source for Wheezy because it seemed to be missing or not working properly in 3.5.2.7 and I believe it is now included in 3.5.2.8. Did you compile those that you posted, rcrsn51?

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 13:07
by rcrsn51
OscarTalks wrote:In Precise, mkisofs is a symlink to genisoimage (from the old cdrkit package I believe)
Correct.
Is PeasyDisc trying to execute genisoimage directly or mkisofs?
PeasyDisc only ever calls mkisofs. In Precise, that gets you genisoimage. However, in Flash's situation, it is growisofs that is calling genisoimage, not PeasyDisc.
The growisofs file is part of a different package, dvd+rwtools, which I thought was already in Precise.
It is. But some versions of growisofs are built to use cdrkit instead of cdrtools. These ones cannot process large files.
I did compile it from source for Wheezy because it seemed to be missing or not working properly in 3.5.2.7 and I believe it is now included in 3.5.2.8. Did you compile those that you posted, rcrsn51?
Even if you compile dvd+rwtools from source against cdrtools, it will still not work properly with Blu-ray. There are patches in the Debian repo that fix an assortment of problems. My builds of growisofs contain them.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 14:28
by Flash
I'd be glad to test it, but it's not clear to me what I need to do.

Since I run Puppy from a multisession DVD, I'm not married to a particular version of Puppy. It's no trouble at all for me to switch to a different version. I could download the latest version of Slacko, if you think that's the version of Puppy most likely to have the tools to do what I want, burn it to a DVD-RW and try it out. If it works, then I'd know that Slacko has all the right stuff. I'd be willing then to try to upgrade Precise Puppy just to see if it could be done.

So which version of Puppy is most likely to be able to burn >4GB files, do you think? And, assuming I find one that works, what I do then, to upgrade Precise Puppy?

FWIW, I'm pretty sure I tried to burn a 24 GB file to a BD-RE disk with Pburn in Fatdog64-602 and it didn't work, so Fatdog may also have the old toolkit.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:06
by rcrsn51
If you are currently using Precise, go up three posts and get Oscar's cdrtools package. Then go to page 3 and get my growisofs_slacko56-7.1.pet.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure I tried to burn a 24 GB file to a BD-RE disk with Pburn in Fatdog64-602 and it didn't work, so Fatdog may also have the old toolkit.
The latest Fatdog just needs the 64-bit growisofs package from page 3.

Posted: Wed 20 Nov 2013, 15:44
by Flash
rcrsn51 wrote:If you are currently using Precise, go up three posts and get Oscar's cdrtools package. Then go to page 3 and get my growisofs_slacko56-7.1.pet
Okay, that's what I did and the 22 GB folder is burning as I type this. :D Looks like it will take an hour an a half to finish (The disk is a BD-RE which can only burn at 2x). Assuming it finishes the whole enchilada, I'll do the 24 GB file next. Maybe I'll try that one in Pburn to see if your growisofs package and Oscar's cdrtools package fixed that too.

I've never seen Oscar's download site before. That's a lot of good stuff. :shock: