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Trying to learn from failures
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Bert
 Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
Hoping to evoke another open-teaching-moment from the experts.. Pwsget is a perfect example to discuss here, as it is so tiny. 1. I took the gettexted version from the i18n_racy55-130331.pet rodin.s posted last week and replaced the 'old' pwsget in precise puppy with it. 2. Made a .pot file with the voodoo commands we learned from L18L:
3. Made a .po file from the .pot (same voodoo) and translated. 4. Made and added .mo file to LC_MESSAGES. 5. Pwsget still in English. I did this twice to make certain it was not an accidental error. No juice.... All this was done outside of Momanager. Any hint would be mmmmost welcome! PS I checked the .po with
No errors. PS2. Same problem with HardInfo and a few others. _________________ 
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 2192 Location: Burghaslach, Germany somewhere also known as "Hosla" |
Good idea. I have been trying to reproduce your attempt but without "vodoo", just command line pasted into this post:
Translation OK. 1 error when clicking HELP [edit]vicmz's contribution is running without this error  [/edit]
  
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Bert
Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
Thank you L18L. I see one difference: Where does the name "puppy.pot" come from? I did:
(had to add the 'sh' to pwsget manually) and got a pwsget.pot Anyhow, my .pot file looked okay, I think... EDIT: think I got it  you have the line ready to be pasted with 'puppy.pot' included...saves on typing. De .po is always going to be 'de.po' anyway! (should have thought about it first!)
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 2192 Location: Burghaslach, Germany somewhere also known as "Hosla" |
Look into the script pwsget find TEXTDOMAIN it is not pwsget. We could now discuss which TEXTDOMAIN has to be taken. (puppy is not very useful) I am voting for "forget pwsget" But it is good for "learning from failures" pwsget does not show your failures. Example: enter "bla" into Address enter /root into Dest: click "OK" The same input but other output from wget:
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Bert
Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
Aha, that's a step I did not know! Will try. Thank you! I understand how you often prefer to use the terminal. But it's not up to me as a translator to tell the Dutch speaking people not to use pwsget -or uGet for that matter (which I also translated, but needs a new version from ppm I think to be localised.) You are an experienced coder/programmer, please don't forget 99.36% of the population is afraid of things called 'console' and feels completely at home in a verbose-less environment, just icons to click or touch...
edit: btw I had wget.mo already included in what will be next langpack. I'm not that prejudised
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 2192 Location: Burghaslach, Germany somewhere also known as "Hosla" |
---- Another nut to crack (not for you, Bert..., just for the records): Help does work only if I copy export Pwget=' ..... ... ... IFS=$I' to console. 
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Bert
Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
Didn't get pwsget translated  I'll let it rest for a while and will read up on gettexting and commandline translation.
Any practical guides for that? I started reading the 'Gnu Gettext Manual' that sits inside the Poedit Help, but it is boring and not at all practical. Luckily other translations are going well. I wrote above my HardInfo translation didn't work, but it does! I found out I had to replace HardInfo in Precise with the gettexted version from the repo. How would you guys solve this: by adding the gettexted HardInfo to the langpack? Or just wait and hope the internationalised HardInfo will be default in the next Puppies? best regards. _________________
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vicmz
 Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 854 |
See: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=703715#703715 |
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 2192 Location: Burghaslach, Germany somewhere also known as "Hosla" |
Well done vicmz you have learnt from failures
Bert, general rule for translators should be: if momanager cannot handle it post it here. general rule for "gettexters" is: If it does not run in momanager there is a failure! If there is no failure then distribute the .pot file
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Bert
Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
Thanks again for all helpful replies, vlcmz and L18L. What did I learn from the pwsget failure? 1. stay away from 'xgettexting'
2. As soon as momanager becomes unstable, stop translating and install a new puppy first! I do not know where the instability comes from, difficult to pinpoint, but so far it keeps returning after using momanager for a while. It could be: * Me ... * hardware, running from usb key on cheap card reader. ( changed now to frugal from internal HDD) As for poor little pwsget...it was translated successfully in minutes using momanager-20130512
We'll get there... sooner or later
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Bert
Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Posts: 865 |
By the way, now that we're all sick of the subject pwsget... It says in it's title: Pwget. That's easy: Puppy_wget. But it's called pwsget??? Could that be 'Lobster speaking': "Puppy, we shall get " ? Or: "Puppy, we shall get [there] "? Or, still 'Lobster speaking': "'Puppy, we shall get [you] "? Ah Lobster, I miss him. Anyone knows where he is hanging out? _________________
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vicmz
Joined: 15 Jan 2012 Posts: 854 |
Yes, I had lots of failures.
Don't be so modest, you're an excellent teacher! If it weren't by you I wouldn't have this skill -- and even if I still have a lot to learn it's really helpful.
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L18L
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 2192 Location: Burghaslach, Germany somewhere also known as "Hosla" |
see http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00248 |
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