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BK should do away with Wary & Racy
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yr1945

Joined: 17 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2013, 07:12    Post subject:  BK should do away with Wary & Racy  

Comments below are just my opinion... I understand others have different opinions.

BK should just have one state-of-the-art Puppy with a real bare bones version (like Saluki without the Adrive).

Anyway, to the average user, most of the puppies are the same with apps being the only real noticeable difference.

Precise would be a good one to maintain. The focus should be keeping it small (this is where the bare bones version comes in), stable and lightning fast.

The many creative derivatives such as Xfce, etc, etc, etc, etc... are great puppies, too. I really like them all.

In summary, with BK's knowledge, creativity, energy level and focus on one main Puppy, just think how great it would be...

Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.
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Pence

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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2013, 12:54    Post subject:  

I agree also, but focus should be on family and free time with Precise as a fun hobby .
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Ray MK


Joined: 05 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2013, 18:50    Post subject:  

Looks like BK is thinking along the lines of a standard Precise5.6 (more or less as is)
then a leaner one with a light browser, Opera, dillo, or similar but still containing all the modem drivers
and the other bits that existing Wary users might need.

That sounds like a good idea. Lite puppy for 128mb ram + swap, Standard puppy for 256mb ram + swap and above.

Whatever BK decides - is good - we will still have the best OS in the world.

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Karl Godt


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PostPosted: Sat 25 May 2013, 20:44    Post subject:  

Wary/Racy are compiled from source .

Such is much more work, than dl all the precompiled bins and libs from somewhere else .

When compiling runs well, it is much more fun to compile , than to squash woof bugs .
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2013, 02:57    Post subject:  

BarryK is addressing that over here.
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simargl

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PostPosted: Sun 26 May 2013, 03:14    Post subject:  

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session


Joined: 07 Feb 2011
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Location: Valley of the Sun

PostPosted: Mon 27 May 2013, 17:52    Post subject: Libraries matter  

Wary is one heck of a puppy distro: compiled from source, thoughtful combination of old and new libraries, advanced kernel...
Thanks to amazing work by rerwin, winmodem support is very good in precise-pup. But xorg-server 1.11 is slow;
until I get the option to use 1.13.3 (as used in raring) or downgrade to Xorg 7.3, I'll stick with Wary.

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darry1966

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PostPosted: Tue 28 May 2013, 21:10    Post subject:  Wary Debate  

I think a Puppy based on old 4 series updated I have seen updates to Glibc successfully performed on that series making it more up to date.

Its ram use at base level is far lower than precise which is ok for newer machines.

My other conviction is that the package manager was simpler and so much better at handling dependencies. Whether it is petget or ppm for 4.31. Personally prefer 4.12 and 4.21 series.

Thank goodness we have the forums for useful advice and tips for legacy users.
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Tue 28 May 2013, 21:48    Post subject:  

darry1966 wrote:
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I think a Puppy based on old 4 series updated...

...like this? Smile
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darry1966

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PostPosted: Wed 29 May 2013, 00:32    Post subject:  Reply to Dewbie - Long Live Puppy 4 series!!!!!!!!!!!  

Yep - That is a fine example, the same can be done with other puppies like 4.12 Gpup using the Glibc update from mywolf and well that more than fills the Wary gap and is more ram efficent.

I would like to thank Barry for his great work on Puppy.

I do believe that Precise can replace Racy and be there for newer hardware 5 years old or less but the belief it will fit the bill for legacy hardware just doesn't cut it as someone with an elderly laptop can personally testify to.

The pre-woof pups especially.

Link: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mywolfe/files/Pet-files-G/

Note the useful Glibc updates for Puppy 4 series on this page.

So to sum up for steam computer users a modified puppy series 4 can offer a viable solution for these old machines using a modern browser version example downloading seamonkey from mozilla and unzipping it to opt directory and setting it up as default browser. Works well on old hardware. I even have a fairly recent version of Libreoffice running.
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nitehawk


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PostPosted: Wed 29 May 2013, 18:11    Post subject:  

...yeah,...I have Puppy 4.3.1 running fine on one of my older computers,...(circa 2001) PIII HP Vectra. Got a newer Opera running from opt. Works great.
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partsman

Joined: 06 Jun 2012
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PostPosted: Thu 30 May 2013, 12:31    Post subject:  

I too think there is alot that can be done with puppy 4 series
sc0ttman has proven that with Akita ! His work really needs a good look at by other developers ! His Akita will support old hardware as well as newer with some tweaking ! Alot of puppy users are running old boxes
and we need to keep that in mind ! personaly if it were up to me i would keep wary & racy ! These puppies are great to build upon ! I also think that keeping up with new hardware is just as important ! but old hardware
is just as valuable ! why not build puppies that can run on both ! Very Happy

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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Thu 30 May 2013, 18:02    Post subject:  

partsman wrote:
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His Akita will support old hardware

True, but Wary will run on a wider variety of older hardware than Akita.
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LoboGrande

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PostPosted: Thu 30 May 2013, 19:07    Post subject: Racy-yes, Wary-no
Subject description: Single core CPU's
 

I tried Racy and Slacko on my newest machine(AMD quad-core with 8gb RAM). Neither were as fast as Precise 5.5. Many older .pet packages from LuPu 5.2.x work just fine in 5.5 without a hitch.

Wary and Akita are what I go to for older single core cpu's. They just work better than LuPu and Precise. My thoughts about the Browser issue is to work on a version of Iron or Chromium.

With all the dirt cheap ARM single core CPU's and lower frequency ARM dual core CPU's coming out these days, I can understand Barry's desire to move towards a true mobile Puppy for these devices.
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darry1966

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Jun 2013, 02:50    Post subject: Akita Linux  

Akita Linux seems like a good Pup on my old hardware.

Lovely wallpaper and visually impressive. Ideal for old rigs.
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