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partsman

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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2013, 11:48    Post_subject:  

I too have a member of my family that is blind this would be a wonderful
breakthrough for puppy ! I would love to help in any way that i can ! although I am still very new to linux maybe i could help with testing ! please feel free to ask ! I will be watching this thred ! Thanks for bringing
this to the puppy community my friend Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2013, 12:31    Post_subject:  

indeed partsman!

You and I BOTH are of one mind here. A breakthrough it would be, Puppy has needed STT for far too long IMHO. Personally, I think a "Seeing-Eye-Puppy" OS developed specifically FOR the blind would go a LONG way towards helping the "Puppy Linux OS" brand...to say nothing of the benefit to society (blind and sighted) on the whole.

Maybe I will write an email to BK and say as much. I know I for one would be thrilled to be the guinea pig on that particular project.

Stay tuned...our savior today is smokey01 and he seems to have the mustard and the minerals to make STT happen as a .pet., which is a good first step in the right direction. Please save any gratitude you feel for him, for if anyone deserves to be thanked, it is surely smokey01.


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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2013, 14:44    Post_subject:  

I could not agree more smokey01 has done alot for the puppy community
not to mention hosting a website for us and our developers ! THANK YOU ! SMOKEY01 Wink as you are yet another valuable asset to the puppy project !

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PostPosted: Fri 31 May 2013, 20:00    Post_subject:  

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Yes, most likely you can install the adriane menu and utilities, which
are shell-based, on other distros, too.

Just the screenreader/braille/speech combination is preconfigured on
Knoppix, you would need to get this working on a different distros
first, then you can install the adriane scripts to run from init
on the text console by these lines in /etc/inittab:

2:2345:respawn:su -l -c "/usr/bin/adriane" knoppix >/dev/tty2 </dev/tty2 2>&1
3:2345:respawn:su -l -c "/usr/bin/adriane" knoppix >/dev/tty3 </dev/tty3 2>&1
4:2345:respawn:su -l -c "/usr/bin/adriane" knoppix >/dev/tty4 </dev/tty4 2>&1
...

(Instead of "knoppix", write the account name you would like to have as
default adriane user).

You can find the packages and sources here:

http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/packages/adriane/

Regards
-Klaus Knopper
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H4LF82


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 00:47    Post_subject:  

Thank you Announcer, but again, no thank you.

Im not turning my back on Puppy now just to go over to Knoppix and start the whole learning curve all over again--I just cannot bring myself to. Ive had YEARS to learn how to use puppy and I have grown comfortable with it...despite its shortcomings (of which there are few and they are far between). Speech-to-text and the lack thereof is my one and only tiny complaint worthy of being mentioned...

Smokey01 is getting the simon package compiled for me even as I type this, and Ive got to tell you, I have the faith of a mustard seed in his abilities. He seems to think it is do-able and he should know.

He compiles software in his sleep.

So when smokey01 says "Forget it man. Get Knoppix or else suck it up and deal!", THEN I might consider it.

But at this point, you might as well be telling me to switch back to windows "because it has Nuance Dragon Speaking".

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 07:17    Post_subject:  

Those are instructions from Klaus Knopper for getting Adriane running on Puppy, if anyone is interested.
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 10:12    Post_subject:  

CatDude and I are slowly working through it.

I got 49% through the make process before it crashed.

As many have said before, this is a slow difficult process.

Need to sleep now............................ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.....

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PostPosted: Sat 01 Jun 2013, 12:23    Post_subject:  

Smokey01, YOU are my HERO!! A GOD among MEN.

You take ALL the time in the world if that is what you need.

If I can do ANYTHING to help...I am eager and UN-attached to any other project at present. Tell me how and what to do and Ill be your lackey!

Otherwise get some rest. When this is all over you should give me the number of your local pub so I can order you a pint Very Happy

Cheers mate! NICE one Very Happy

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 00:12    Post_subject:  

H4LF82 wrote:
Thank you Announcer, but again, no thank you.

Im not turning my back on Puppy now just to go over to Knoppix and start the whole learning curve all over again--I just cannot bring myself to. Ive had YEARS to learn how to use puppy and I have grown comfortable with it...despite its shortcomings (of which there are few and they are far between). Speech-to-text and the lack thereof is my one and only tiny complaint worthy of being mentioned...

Smokey01 is getting the simon package compiled for me even as I type this, and Ive got to tell you, I have the faith of a mustard seed in his abilities. He seems to think it is do-able and he should know.

He compiles software in his sleep.

So when smokey01 says "Forget it man. Get Knoppix or else suck it up and deal!", THEN I might consider it.

But at this point, you might as well be telling me to switch back to windows "because it has Nuance Dragon Speaking".


Actually Speech to text and computer control is available on Win8 standard install, was playing with it earlier, does OK with windows apps but since most programs I run are still open source and oddly unsupported.... Just to put it out there.. not saying to switch to windows j8 ust yet. Took about two hours of training to get it to work 1 out of 4 times. Crying or Very sad could be my Texas accent!! or still crappy.
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H4LF82


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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 01:00    Post_subject:    

i cannot speak for win8, ted dog, as i have no experience with it.

i do however concur with you about it being 'still crappy'. that has been my experience...

2 hours huh? i trained Dragon for 8 hours a day for nearly a week...it worked 6 words out of 10--it actually did better untrained. i will eat my own socks before i go back to windows...

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 02:05    Post_subject:  

Yes not time to switch ... the UI on Win8 is still a horrible mess. I was preparing a recovery flashdrive inorder to downsize win8 to yet a smaller-older HD (60GB) and free up the mid-sized harddrive for better use.
I saw it had speech control and I needed to keep the win8 alive by use, it turned itself off/hibernate while on A/C power after getting over 50% copied to recovery flash the first try. I got this new laptop for puppylinux/ other linux use, Made sure it still allowed boot from BIOS mode.
But at least win8 gives me something to complain about, I've been upset about long existing quirks in puppylinux, so trying Windows again after a few years help me regain perspective about really irritating quirks now, puppylinux quirks seems so much less...
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Smithy


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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 07:01    Post_subject:  

So what are your expectations from the Linux engine(s) H4LF82?

Seems to me that Jack might be a good front end for the audio, then you can get the latency down. If that is important (text appearing on screen)?

I agree that it would be great for puppy to have STT TTS as an option.

As an experiment:
I've managed to get speech training going in wine, seems to be doing it's thing, listening to how you pronounce the words (never used it before).
And the sapi voices are talking in wine control panel/ speech.
That's as far as I have got for now. This is billy gates stuff, not open source.


I agree that it would be great for puppy to have STT TTS as an option.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 10:00    Post_subject:  

Agree with Smithy, this would be a great addition to puppy, already have a puppy spin with On Screen keyboard and one button control working at level or better than the commercial and expensive software.
Played with Text to Speech a few years back, and open source software is as good or better than commercial ( I guess ) actually haven't played with non-linux T2S since my Amiga days and MSDOS.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 14:10    Post_subject:  

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So what are your expectations from the Linux engine(s) H4LF82?


What do I expect?

well, I suppose I expect the following...

let us take today as a bright shiny example. I have awakened after sleeping in late on my Sunday, and like most days, the curtains/shades are drawn to keep the mid-day light out, the lights are all off, and before I can see the screen on the computer I have just turned on, I must grab my "Solar Shields".



These I must place over my regular sunglasses.



once both pairs have been located in the dark and put on one over the other, I am ready to turn on the computer and check the news and my morning email while sipping a fresh cup of tea...

Honestly...I know how to turn the computer ON without witnessing the event with my own eyes, but the whole sunglasses ritual I could do without begins when I turn the machine on because the "Jesus Light" from the screen is illuminating the room, and I NEED the screen....

The sunglasses are necessary because without them I cannot see what needs clicking on said screen--I can click the reader to read out loud any news story that catches my interest, but before I can determine what story I want to play catch with, I have to know what they are about.

So, "Google News" is a fine example to use here.

On this typical Sunday, I want to check Google News to hear all about the tornadoes pummeling the "bubba belt". So I go to my computer, which is now on and online and running happily waiting for me, and i grab my mouse, squint my double-glazed eyes, and brace myself for the screen input so I can find the browser icon and click it. I open my eyes slightly.

immediately I am lashed in the face with laser-beams of all colors. Its like a camera flash rave party psychedelic strobe supernova at first, only more intense, and just as blinding and disorienting. Its a very fortunate thing I am sitting down. Beneath the glasses my eyes must slowly adjust to the relentless onslaught that is my computer monitor, and after a minute, they do relent ... slightly. I can finally see to discern the browser button, and I click it.

The browser opens and the Google homepage is displayed within 0.19 seconds in a burst of blues and yellows and reds and black glowing text. a quick lean into the screen to discern the word NEWS from all the others sprawled out there across the top of the page and I am ready to look at the news. Puppy responds like a dream. The page loads instantly. The speed is unexampled...

a quick scan of the front page tells me there is nothing about bubba-belt tornadoes, so I have to search. click the mouse into the search window, head down, glasses off, now we wait for our eyes to adjust back to the darkness to be able to see the keyboard again so I can type "bubba-belt".

"Now wait a minute!" you say..."cant you type without looking? Blind or not, its a basic computer skill, typing is."

Sure I can type without looking. the keyboard is in my lap, but the mouse is in my hand, and so only one hand is on the keyboard, sorta. the F and the J key both have little nubs on them to help me find them easily, but they are tiny nubs and easy to miss and I am fighting the big black dot now burned into my retina...

take a professional camera flash with new batteries and point it directly at your face, and flash it with your eyes open 3 inches from your nose over and over about 20 times and then try and tie your shoes or type your name....

...I dare you.

i either end up typing correctly, or else I end up typing something like 5708htnw9j3n wt708e crq0. because my fingers were in the wrong place.

bubba belt typed in, or at least 'i think' that is what it is, i must now put the glasses back on and brace myself for the visual onslaught that is the computer screen so that I can check the screen for the correct input and confirm that I did indeed just type what I think I just typed....

The TTS reader would read my keyboard input as I type it if I enabled that option, and one day I may have to, but having it on seems like having a duck with one leg swimming around in a circle, being only half of a two-part system; TTS and STT. and since I already have to open my eyes to click with the mouse anyway, it seems a little pointless. If only I could eliminate the need for the mouse...

so I expect that STT will give me the option of saying "Open the Browser" and never needing the sunglasses on in the first place to click the icon...whereupon the browser can open and i can say "Go to Google News" and once again it can open the appropriate page without me ever having to see a thing. I would enable the TTS if this WERE the case so that I could have the audible confirmation that the computer was doing what I wanted. when i say "Open the Browser" I expect the TTS reader will say "opening Seamonkey Web Browser home page" and when i say "Go to Google News" then the TTS will confirm "opening Google news" and so on...

In this capacity, the TTS meta-morphs from an annoying little troll



that repeats useless information two seconds too late to be useful, and into a beautiful butterfly



that you depend on to guide you. I expect STT to be the left hand that TTS engine right hand has been trudging along without...a way for me to "speak" what I would otherwise need both hands planted firmly on the keyboard AND mouse for....

I understand that I will likely get something slightly less than what I expect, and I will have to make adjustments to fit my individual needs, but ultimately...that is where my expectations lay. Somewhere between "Thing from the Addams Family", and "The Invisible Man." One hand tied behind my back versus both hands out in front of me.

I expect to be able to drink my morning tea and read the news without playing up-wait-down-wait-up-wait-down-wait every 45 seconds with 2 pairs of sunglasses---at a minimum.

In a perfect example, I would expect to forgo the keyboard and mouse entirely just by saying click this, go there, play so-and-so, and so on....

So do you think I expect too much or are my expectations par for this course?

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Jun 2013, 17:17    Post_subject:  

So it is like command and response technology. Full duplex definitely.
A marriage of STT and TTS.

God knows batch processing has been around for years but how many times do you find yourself having to copy things over individually, bunches of files and things. Because it's too much of a pain to setup a batch process and sometimes quicker just to transfer manually....

I was approaching the question of your expectations from a purely logical point of view. I don't know how far the technology has progressed, but it's interesting to hear about it from a users' point of view, what it can do, what it can't.

For all I know, an airline pilot could be sat on his ass reading Harry Potter and just shouting "Land now please" at the right time. I guess it wouldn't have been able to perform the magic that the hero pilot did when he managed to land on the Hudson River tho'.

So the idea is: voice goes into the engine, converts to command, then gives you aural feedback that it has done the job. And it also reads the text on the website, wonder if it can ignore all the markup stuff.
I guess you could setup macro words that are more easily understood by the voice engine for sites that one would visit regularly?
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