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What's new with Windows 8?
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darrelljon


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 07:49    Post_subject:  What's new with Windows 8?  

Can anyone point me to a comparison between the end-user features of Windows 8, Puppy and XP?
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 14:46    Post_subject:  

From comments on other sites, and some exposure to Windows 8, the best advice I can give is to steer clear of Windows 8!
I had a friend that brought over his HP laptop and wanted me to find out why he could not install some games he had bought.
I fired it up and saw the tile buttons that allow one to select applications. But one has to find one that says Show all applications to find anything not on those tile buttons.
Also, there is no visible Shutdown to be found.
They hide it behind the Logout button as I later found out.
In the BIOS on that laptop, there is a setting that supposedly inspects any software to be installed and does not allow installation of suspect software.
And of course, we have UEFI to contend with now.

And to make matters worse, MS wants to take away one's ability to boot from a USB storage device as they now are stating that it is a security risk.

So if they had their way, one could not boot any OS from a USB storage device.
I think they are determined to try to force Windows on us with no option to use any other OS.
Also, if they get their way, using linux to repair windows or even recover data from Windows when it will not boot will be gone!

Just my two cents here.
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darrelljon


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 15:11    Post_subject:  

Thanks. From your description, Windows 8 sounds awful. I will do a comparison page on a wiki.
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darrelljon


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 17:31    Post_subject:  

http://puppylinux.wikia.com/wiki/Comparison_with_Windows
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ardvark


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 19:14    Post_subject:  

8-bit wrote:
From comments on other sites, and some exposure to Windows 8, the best advice I can give is to steer clear of Windows 8!


I really don't care for Windows 8 either but I don't think that it will be avoidable for that much longer, unless the market dictates otherwise, as in the case with XP. I'm hoping the coming "blue" upgrade will improve things.

I noticed on the comparison page darrelljon provided that no distinction was made between Windows 98 First and Second Edition. If I remember correctly, the first edition shipped with IE 4 and the second with IE 5. On the second edition, you could install up to IE 6. Not sure about the first.

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 19:38    Post_subject:  

Win98SE also was the first version of Windows to support USB Wink you did need drivers for everything tho.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 19:58    Post_subject:  

Last month it was stated that Windows 8

hadn't even sold as much as Vista.

Win7 had nearly caught up to XP users.

But of course that's really PC sales....or rather the typical
MS bs market hype.

PC sales are way down...and so is MS.

Oh! Happy Days.

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ardvark


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 20:03    Post_subject:  

starhawk wrote:
Win98SE also was the first version of Windows to support USB Wink you did need drivers for everything tho.


Actually, no, later OEM versions of Windows 95 were the first. Both versions of Windows 98 had USB support, although you had to obtain special driver files for both to be able to read thumb drives. I think ME and 2000 were the first for that. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Jul 2013, 20:33    Post_subject:  

I did not know that! Interesting...
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 01:03    Post_subject:  

ardvark wrote:
starhawk wrote:
Win98SE also was the first version of Windows to support USB Wink you did need drivers for everything tho.


Actually, no, later OEM versions of Windows 95 were the first. Both versions of Windows 98 had USB support, although you had to obtain special driver files for both to be able to read thumb drives. I think ME and 2000 were the first for that. Wink

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Actually, I can verify that in that I have in my possession an install CD of Windows 95 that says on the CD face "Windows 95 with USB support".
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Bligh

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 01:24    Post_subject:  

I use puppy live to access usb on win systems. It doesn't really concern me if win can access usb or not.
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 02:13    Post_subject:  

If MS got their newest idea used though, they would want BIOS's on new PCs to be designed to not allow booting from a USB flash drive or USB hard drive.
They see that ability as a security risk to Windows.
As an example, if one boots Puppy linux from USB or CD/DVD for that matter, they can access the entire contents of a Windows partition without knowing the users Windows password.
They can read from, write to, copy from, or create and modify files on the Windows partition.

But Puppy is a god send when it comes to gaining access to user data that may not survive a repair of a corrupted Windows install that will not boot.
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bark_bark_bark

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 11:05    Post_subject:  

windows 8 also requires you to have a M$ account to use it.
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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 22:12    Post_subject:  

bark_bark_bark wrote:
windows 8 also requires you to have a M$ account to use it.


Do you mean to download games and other software? I don't recall this being a requirement just to use the OS. Question

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darrelljon


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 06:04    Post_subject:  

God I hope not, that sounds ridiculous. Can I download apps from any website and run them on Windows 8?
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