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A simple question about Puppy's future
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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 10:14    Post_subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Here is the reality. The Puppy community is shrinking. The original group of skilled developers that helped BK create Puppy is largely gone. There have been very few replacements.


To name a fairly recent few; HairyWill, WhoDo, playdayz, ttuuxxx, tombh, gposil, rarsa, and many more. All these guys have either disappeared or dramatically slowed in the last few years. They are all more skilled than me and I maintain slacko!

Even lobster has hardly been here lately. Too busy with his "tablet".

As for "old" computers, my last one died near 2 years ago now. All the others are less than 10 years old and all capable of running slackware-current. That's a decent benchmark too, because it installs the same on every machine.

While this forum is open, puppy is alive. I don't see any reason to panic. Just use it, any issues are usually answered here.

From time to time there might be updates. Official or not.

Trawl these forums, find the "Puppy must be organised" type threads. Tell me which of those instigators is still around, then tell me Puppy will survive one of those "plans".

jamesbond pretty much nailed it Wink

Just enjoy it folks. Leave the panic.

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cimarron

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 10:24    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:
While this forum is open, puppy is alive. I don't see any reason to panic. Just use it, any issues are usually answered here.


Amen!
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 11:06    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:


Even lobster has hardly been here lately. Too busy with his "tablet".


jamesbond pretty much nailed it Wink

It's a lot to ask for "somebody" to compete with the unified effort of thousands of professional developers.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 11:08    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:

While this forum is open, puppy is alive. I don't see any reason to panic.



OK… Let me give you few. Twisted Evil
Casual users (the bulk of puppy users I would think) are moving to tablets. You do not need a CD or a USB stick to "compute everywhere". You have your phone/tablet. And those old P4 PCs are mostly gone and you can get an adequate PC that does much more for $300 (if you can find it without Windows).
In addition, the linux desktop has really lost all the ground it gained from the Vista flop and the early netbook era and never managed to become a "consumer product" for a number of good reasons.
Add to that the fact (as answers to this "simple question" suggest) that nobody has any idea if somebody will have some initiative for puppy-next (a la playdayz), and you can see why everybody may wary a bit if anybody will still be around a year from now. ( Rolling Eyes )

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jpeps

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 11:39    Post_subject:  

A few more:

1. The ongoing complaints on the forum that have concerned issues of compatibility, dependencies, central repositories, maintenance of updates, etc, have been solved on the tablet.
2. Replacement of gtkdialog with a UI far better equipped for real time interaction with the user
3. Cups replacement by user friendly printer support
4. Huge developments in user friendly integration between all your devices
5. A million sophisticated applications...many free, automatic updates, excellent support, they all work on everything (you'll get a compatibility notice before installing).
6. Exponential development of hardware at low cost.
7. Development of different types of hardware...touch screens
8. Great development tools for creating your own applications, free
9. No dependency on a benevolent dictator that will at some point retire.
10. Bluetooth
11. Cloud (integration built into both software and hardware (e.g., eprinters, etc)
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partsman

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 12:58    Post_subject:  

[quote="cimarron"]
01micko wrote:
While this forum is open, puppy is alive. I don't see any reason to panic. Just use it, any issues are usually answered here.

"WE ARE PUPPY"
I am no developer but I do what I can to help around here ! Sure its sad to see Barry slow down he is brilliant ! But "SO ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM ! " PUPPY WILL LIVE ON IN US !" We have wonderful people developing in the community and those not dev. are testers etc. Puppy is not going anywhere ! We have so much more to do Wink I think that the new guys like me Embarassed should be encouraged to release puppies even if its built from a remaster ! It takes time to learn ! but by helping each other I am sure we can take puppy to a new level Wink Also we can do a lot more with the puppies we already have ! they just need reworked updated etc. we have people doing this already and need our encouragement, help, etc. ! Everyone just relax ! "This is only the beginning" :wink

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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 14:27    Post_subject:  

I hadn`t seen Barry`s idea for streamlining creation of "Ubuntu Puppy".I suggested this years ago.

# Yes... I definitely think support should be shown for Barry`s last hurrah.
I think it`s a very rational approach considering no more base level development of Puppy.
Slackware and Debian are the only two other choices. Ubuntu isn`t bad, so many offshoots.

It answers the Q about "Why?". Masses of ready made apps. is why.

# In addition to the loss of variant developers, it looks like here that the rest are about to leave.

### Are there any current Puppy variant devs. who intend to continue?
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darry1966

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 16:27    Post_subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
@darry1966: How many people do you think are in this community that have the expertise to manage woof? How many of them are currently actively involved with Puppy?

How many community members are capable of building a new Puppy from woof? How many of them have the time or interest to do so?

Will forming a committee change this?

Or talking about creating a framework to form a search team to strike a committee to organize a Puppy foundation to ......

Here is the reality. The Puppy community is shrinking. The original group of skilled developers that helped BK create Puppy is largely gone. There have been very few replacements.


One needs to ask questions to get answers. So to answer your question how many people do you think are actively involved in Puppy to be part of a team well one only knows the answer to that by asking how many.

Frankly with the way things are structured - one doesn't know and users should have surety and I believe a setup wthether big or small - a team of people is better than one.

As for this tablets as a replacement thing I'll say this once - They are not replacment and frankly are limited and can never replace a desktop. I have my answers and will post no more on this thread.

Like I said users have the right to know whether Puppy continues or will it just be like a Greatest Hits Rock'N"Roll Band having previously produced original material.
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 17:01    Post_subject:  

darry1966 wrote:


As for this tablets as a replacement thing I'll say this once - They are not replacment and frankly are limited and can never replace a desktop. I have my answers and will post no more on this thread.


Your answers come from your own brain vs reality. Now go hide.
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darry1966

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 20:35    Post_subject:  

jpeps wrote:
darry1966 wrote:


As for this tablets as a replacement thing I'll say this once - They are not replacment and frankly are limited and can never replace a desktop. I have my answers and will post no more on this thread.


Your answers come from your own brain vs reality. Now go hide.


Nope they come from the facts and I stand by what I said I not hiding anywhere thanks and by the way I don't resort to insults its frnakly childish gooday.
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 20:59    Post_subject:  

darry1966 wrote:


Nope they come from the facts and I stand by what I said I not hiding anywhere thanks and by the way I don't resort to insults its frnakly childish gooday.

Okay then, post the facts about why devices are limited and will never replace desktops. I thought you said you weren't going to post anymore. Please include references.

Edit: I can find several articles that make the same claim with a google search, and could post a zillion references to refute every point. Here's a gem from eweek that I could have a field day with (granted that a lot of development has happened since the article was written in Feb):

Quote:

Windows is the enterprise’s favorite
Component power
Virtual keyboards aren’t universally beloved
More options across the PC market

Apple’s App Store currently offers more than 800,000 applications. And although many of them are worthwhile downloads, few actually deliver the complexity and sophistication customers would find in Windows or OS X. -

Prices are still too high
The operating systems haven’t grown up yet

http://www.eweek.com/mobile/tablets-still-cannot-replace-laptop-desktop-pcs-10-reasons-why-2

The claim is actually moot anyway, since mobile devices ARE replacing PC's, big time both on the enterprise as well as personal computing levels (if people like Eric Schmidt and market data can be trusted).
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 10 Oct 2013, 22:10    Post_subject:  

http://gcn.com/articles/2013/04/16/pcs-not-going-dying-in-government.aspx

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The latest round of anti-PC sentiment follows the admittedly bad sales report on PCs for the latest quarter. CNN Money recently reported that PCs experienced the worst drop in the history of PC sales tracking. Sales were down 13.9 percent, more than double what research firm IDC had predicted.

That has led to a slew of predictions that the PC is dead, that everyone will soon ditch desktops for iPads or smart phones, and we'll forever be unchained from our desks.

Sorry, but that's total hogwash. If PCs were truly dead (and this includes laptops and ultrabooks) then I probably wouldn't be typing on one right now. Looking around the office, I wouldn’t see coworkers also typing on their computers (which includes a mix of Windows PCs and Mac desktops). When I visit federal agencies, I wouldn't see rows and rows of desktops, all performing valuable functions. Also, don't forget that even with the huge drop, 79 million new PCs were still sold in the first three months of the year. Those were added to an enormous installed base that isn't going away anytime soon.



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In government, the PC's dominance is even more pronounced. The Defense Department is adding mobile devices, certainly, but it also just awarded a $617 million contract that will bring Windows 8 PCs to the Army, Air Force and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. When combined with a similar $700 million deal with the Navy and Marine Corps, that means that PCs running Windows 8 will more or less dominate the entire defense infrastructure for the foreseeable future.


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Are PCs in their Golden Age? Probably not. But are they dead or even dying? Also, no. They will either evolve into something different enough that their sales will increase again, or they will simply level out and continue as normal after this little dip. In any case, they will be good for government for decades to come, or even longer.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 00:52    Post_subject:  

James C wrote:
http://gcn.com/articles/2013/04/16/pcs-not-going-dying-in-government.aspx


Similar things can be said for big corporations, banks, science, IT etc. But what this has to do with puppy or its future?

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 01:47    Post_subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
James C wrote:
http://gcn.com/articles/2013/04/16/pcs-not-going-dying-in-government.aspx


Similar things can be said for big corporations, banks, science, IT etc. But what this has to do with puppy or its future?


Merely one link refuting the opinion that the desktop is dead while underpowered tablets and phones are the future of the computing world. Nothing more and nothing less.
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 02:01    Post_subject:  

James C wrote:


Merely one link refuting the opinion that the desktop is dead while underpowered tablets and phones are the future of the computing world. Nothing more and nothing less.


Many people still own and use PC's and probably will for years to come. In California, the State still uses CPT billing codes that are a decade old.
Mobile devices are increasingly finding an important place in both enterprise and personal computing. I don't know about "underpowered" devices.


Nobody said that PC's are dead. Mine are still alive. What was said was that new development is going in a different direction. So how does that affect Puppy?
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