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A simple question about Puppy's future
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koulaxizis


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 02:08    Post subject:  

Look, i use a desktop computer at my work and a netbook for personal use. I don't really like mobile devices, i don't like tablets, i don't like ubuntu. All i want is an up-to-date Puppy, i'm used to it, i'm emotionally attached to it and i love working with it every day. It's that simple... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 02:23    Post subject:  

koulaxizis wrote:
. All i want is an up-to-date Puppy:


What doesn't your computer do now, that needs to be brought "up to date"? It's a bit strange..Puppy is perfect for older computers.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 03:12    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
koulaxizis wrote:
. All i want is an up-to-date Puppy:


What doesn't your computer do now, that needs to be brought "up to date"? It's a bit strange..Puppy is perfect for older computers.


Up-to-date only to support all software packages...

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 03:34    Post subject:  

koulaxizis wrote:


Up-to-date only to support all software packages...


only that? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 03:42    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
koulaxizis wrote:


Up-to-date only to support all software packages...


only that? Laughing


I'm a simple man... Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 03:46    Post subject:  

koulaxizis wrote:
jpeps wrote:
koulaxizis wrote:


Up-to-date only to support all software packages...


only that? Laughing


I'm a simple man... Laughing


For that you'll need an android.
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 03:48    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
koulaxizis wrote:
jpeps wrote:
koulaxizis wrote:


Up-to-date only to support all software packages...


only that? Laughing


I'm a simple man... Laughing


For that you'll need an android.


Android doesn't bark! Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 08:15    Post subject:  

James C wrote:

Merely one link refuting the opinion that the desktop is dead while underpowered tablets and phones are the future of the computing world.


x86 is certainly not gone, however ARM may soon run servers (mostly because of energy efficiency).
Regarding the "computing word" I have no idea but most computer users today use PCs for media consumption and communications. Tablets/phone can do it very well today and even better tomorrow, and if MS provides a tablet version of office in 2014 (as rumors have it) will be very little left to PC other than major production work.

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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 13:14    Post subject:  

Back to topic.

koulaxizis wrote:
Have we come up with a decision on which will be the next Puppy main stream and what binaries will be used?


Identify the person/team/group who will continue the Puppy development and then you can get the answer for this by asking that person/team/group. Asking this before we identify who "will do it" is putting the cart before the horse. Right now every good suggestion and feedback is going down the sinkhole because *nobody is listening*.

darry1966 wrote:
One needs to ask questions to get answers. So to answer your question how many people do you think are actively involved in Puppy to be part of a team well one only knows the answer to that by asking how many.


sunburnt wrote:
### Are there any current Puppy variant devs. who intend to continue? .

Yes, I can confirm at least one --> 01micko (that's why he said "don't panic" Laughing ).
In the other threads similar to this Nathan F (the original builder of Grafpup) has expressed interest in at least doing some of the partial work.
The fact that Iguleder and Elroy is expressing their concern can also be taken as they care and they would be willing to spend the effort to continue Puppy.

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Like I said users have the right to know whether Puppy continues or will it just be like a Greatest Hits Rock'N"Roll Band having previously produced original material.
It will continue. But it may not look like the Puppy you know. Each and everyone I said above has his own (and rather conflicting) views of how the new Puppy should look like. If jpeps has his way we'll probably have a "puppified Android" Wink But that's not like the situation is new, we have puplets which are all different even today Wink

Enough talking, let's get the ball rolling.

How to ensure Puppy's continuity in five (5) easy steps.

1) Clone Woof repository
2) Upload to a public hosting place (chiselapp.com if you still want to use fossil, or convert the repo to git and use github or repo.cz or whatever).
3) Make it public so others can make puppies from your Woof copy too.
4) Continue puppy building, making releases, etc - business as usual - plus making changes to your own Woof copy, as needed.
5) When Barry has finally appointed the official successor, merge the changes back to the official Woof line.

Notes:
a) As Mavrothal said elsewhere, chances are, whoever has shown the initiative to maintain (his/her own copy of) Woof (*and* if Barry likes the change), could be the one appointed as the official successor.
b) Even if you are *not* appointed, you'll get the warm feeling knowing that you've done the right thing; and by that time you have the choice of continuing your own work, or slowly adapt it to the official Woof line.
c) How you run the your project is up to you - you want to be another dictator? Go ahead. You want to form and listen to focus groups in this forum? Go ahead. Committee model suits you better? Go ahead. A full democracy - you listen and try to accomodate to anything that people in this forum has to say? Go ahead. Anything you like, nobody's stopping you, and if they do, you don't have to listen to them - it's *your* project. Anybody who doesn't like you, your project, your vision or the way you run things, is free to start their own Wink.

Any takers? Very Happy

EDIT: more notes:
d) You can do 1) & 2) because Puppy is GPL - thanks Barry!
e) You can do 4) as long as the name is not Puppy or something similar enough that can be confused with Puppy Linux; Puppy Linux is Barry's trademark and he has reserved its use for something that he approves. But you can call yours as something-pup name (or pup-something), I think I read somewhere that Barry has explicitly said that calling something-pup is okay
f) How is this different from building a variant puppy in existence? None at all, except that now you're taking charge of *everything* including the code in Woof (=read: can modify everything that you wish, including the base stuff).

Any takers? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Oct 2013, 14:06    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:


Any takers? Very Happy

Another approach would be simply to let Puppy continue to fill the nitch for a minimized distro for PC's with older hardware (which is likely to still be around for years to come). Meanwhile, linux support for modern hardware likely will become available (Ubuntu?) and can be integrated if interest exists. Support for features like cloud printing can be added the same way dropbox and skype were, by professional developers that added linux support.

BTW/ I think we went through this whole process several years ago, where tux put in his bid to take over from Barry. As you can see, nothing at all came of it and here we are.

jamesbond wrote:

If jpeps has his way we'll probably have a "puppified Android"

not even close Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct 2013, 00:20    Post subject:  

Glad to hear that 01micko and Nathan F are in the mix. Both are highly regarded.

As I say, the base Puppy should remain as-is. So there`s no conflicts here.
As JB said, variants do whatever they want, and are for the purpose of "variation".

If the few O.S. devs. can concentrate on their craft, Puppy will be better off for sure.
Apps. are a sore spot, if a group of app. builders forms, then this will improve also.

A Puppy-Android variant, or a Puppified Android, sure... Why not.? ( Apples & Oranges )
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct 2013, 00:26    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:


A Puppy-Android variant, or a Puppified Android, sure... Why not.? ( Apples & Oranges )
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Because android is a completely different OS?
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct 2013, 01:15    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
sunburnt wrote:
### Are there any current Puppy variant devs. who intend to continue?

Yes, I can confirm at least one --> 01micko (that's why he said "don't panic" Smile
We better start swearing allegiance to Micko ... and abjure our earlier commitments.

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct 2013, 01:21    Post subject:  

anikin wrote:
We better start swearing allegiance to Micko ... and abjure our earlier commitments.

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Money generally works. In fact, I'd argue that you could easily get Barry out of retirement with viable incentives. Other than that, you'll just have to wait for a bright individual with an addiction issue.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Oct 2013, 06:23    Post subject:  

jpeps wrote:
anikin wrote:
We better start swearing allegiance to Micko ... and abjure our earlier commitments.

.

Money generally works. In fact, I'd argue that you could easily get Barry out of retirement with viable incentives. Other than that, you'll just have to wait for a bright individual with an addiction issue.

Indeed! Laughing

I can't complain though. While I do have 'donate' buttons on my sites I don't push for it and I do appreciate all the generous folks out there that have donated. Thanks.

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