Vincent Van Pup 3992

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Pelo · #81 Post by **Pelo** » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:35

Musher0 gives Augras the solution here in french... Only to be translated. Musher0 is bilingual (Quebec)
One should understand we cannot ask each user to do that. It's not so easy. We have different hobbies.

greengeek · #82 Post by **greengeek** » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 17:50

Pelo wrote:Musher0 gives Augras the solution here in french....

Thank you Pelo. Could you also post a pic of your keyboard so I can see which keys are different?

Also a question - does the choice of QC quebequois change the layout of any of the keys on your keyboard or does it just change the availability of special characters?
(J'espere que tu comprend mon question... Je parle seulement un petit peu de Francais)
Merci!

Edit : "ma question". Je m'excuse - j'ai oublier lirer cette page ici:
https://frenchtogether.com/french-nouns-gender/
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musher0 · #83 Post by **musher0** » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 19:18

Pelo wrote:Musher0 gives Augras the solution here in french... Only to be translated. Musher0 is bilingual (Quebec)
One should understand we cannot ask each user to do that. It's not so easy. We have different hobbies.

Hello pelo and all.

If it may be helpful, here is the state of it as of today: (explanation below)

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#!/bin/ash
# /root/Startup/qc.sh 
# IMPORTANT ###########################
# Objectif : activer le clavier Québec (dit "fr-legacy") ou 
# un autre clavier francophone. /
#
# Goal: properly activate the "fr-legacy" keyboard or other Francophone keyboard.
# (The usual way was too iffy.)
#
# Note to Anglophones: since you don't need this, the script is made such 
# that your keyboard set-up is not altered in any way.
#
# Persons speaking a language other than French or English : you may use the section
# "other_laguages_here" reserved expressly for you.
##########################################################################
# Dérivé d'une astuce de "Médor" sur le forum Puppy francophone vers le temps du 
# premier jet. / Derived from a trick by Médor on the French side of the Puppy forum
# at the time of first writing.
# 
# (c) Christian L'Écuyer (alias musher0 [forum PuppyLinux]), Gatineau (Qc), Canada, 
# 12 mai 2013. # Rév. : 26 déc. 2014; 16 janv., 3 févr. 2016. LGPL2
#### set -xe
case "${LANG:0:2}" in
	fr)case "${LANG:3:2}" in
		CA)Clav="qc" 
		setxkbmap -v 1 "$Clav" &>/dev/null ;; # Vérifié
#		FR)Clav="fr" ;; # E-x-p-é-r-i-m-e-n-t-a-l 
#		CH)Clav= ;;
#		BE)Clav= ;;	
	   esac ;;
#   autres_langues_ici|other_languages_here)
#
#          ;;
esac

# Notes :
# -option compose:ralt (entre la commande et le param. -v )
# Ne pas utiliser. Prévient l'utilisation de AltGr + autre_touche...
# / Do not use: prevents use of AltGr + other_key...
#### set +xe

The need for the above script arose because the X configuration in Puppy didn't keep
my French-legacy (aka "quebec" or "qc") keyboard setting between sessions. It kept
returning me to the "ca" (Canada multi-lingual) keyboard.

(A bit of context here:
the "qc" uses dead-keys to create the accented characters, and that's how I learned to
type. Whereas the "ca" keyboard has direct key-maps for characters such as è and ç.

I learned to type with the "qc" keyboard so it's a practical thing for me -- not political, as
some unknowing French and Canadian members accused me of. Historically, the "qc"
keyboard was the original "fr_CA" keyboard, before the federal gov't of Canada came up
with the new "ca" keyboard definition. When they came up with the new standard, the old
keyboard had to be renamed. to "qc".

Additionally, the "qc" keyboard allows me to type in English as well as in French without
having to redo the X keyboard configuration when I switch languages. Because of my
trade, I find this feature very handy.)

A few years back, French forum member Médor had had the same "Puppy-teflon"
problem with his French azerty keyboard and had created the initial one-liner to make his
fr keyboard stick from session to session. I just expanded on it.

I figured that if we Frogs generally have this Puppy-teflon problem, then the Latinos and
the Romanians and the Italians, etc., must have it too. So I tried to make room for all
languages in the script layout. The users who speak those languages only need to follow
the script pattern and enter their language abbreviation at the right place. Or change it
entirely to fit their need.

I'm not sure what this has to do with starhawk's Artistic Derivative, but there you go.
Maybe it will help someone.

BFN.

greengeek · #84 Post by **greengeek** » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 20:11

Hi Musher0 - thanks for the post. The reason this affects Vincent van pup is that the base is Upup 3.9.9.2 - affected by the bug.

OscarTalks listed a fix for the bug here. Have you had any experience with regard to that fix? Does it work? Apparently it did for forum member bruno.

I am hoping the fix listed by OscarTalks is a good one as i have just included it into a Vincent remaster (which I will call Vincentvanpup_qc to ensure no confusion) that I am about to upload for Pelo to test. If that fix is no good I will have wasted my time

Oh well, c'est la vie

greengeek · #85 Post by **greengeek** » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 21:57

Hi Pelo - I have remastered VincentVanPup to include the lib that supposedly cures the "non-US keyboard bug" referred to here.

Unfortunately I don't think I have any way of testing for the problems you described. Would you be able to test the new iso and let us know if the behaviour is any better/worse/same please?
cheers!

Download links:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/jg280 ... c-3992.iso

http://www.mediafire.com/download/8q5xx ... so.md5.txt

musher0 · #86 Post by **musher0** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 04:04

greengeek wrote:Hi Musher0 - thanks for the post. The reason this affects Vincent van pup is that the base is Upup 3.9.9.2 - affected by the bug.

OscarTalks listed a fix for the bug here. Have you had any experience with regard to that fix? Does it work? Apparently it did for forum member bruno.

I am hoping the fix listed by OscarTalks is a good one as i have just included it into a Vincent remaster (which I will call Vincentvanpup_qc to ensure no confusion) that I am about to upload for Pelo to test. If that fix is no good I will have wasted my time

Oh well, c'est la vie

Hi greengeek.

Thanks for the thanks!

My memory is a bit fuzzy about the exact date of the origin of this script, but I
believe the problem existed before Upup-3992 was created. So I wouldn't think it's
exclusively a Upup-3992 bug.

To be frank, this script works so well (ahem...)

, I am not tempted to try OscarTalks'
solution. But for fairness, I should, shouldn't I? And yours, too!
(Shucks, more Puppy testing!)

TWYL

Pelo · #87 Post by **Pelo** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 07:21

We Should talk of brushes, in this topic Van Pup, and we talk about keyboard touch. I hope that soon Artists can enter the debate.. Please repair his ISO (removing Libre Office would be a good idea, Painters are often outside, wireless connected, but without the typing machine, either you are a writer, either you are a painter)
What Libre Office would be usefull, without a keyboard

musher0 · #88 Post by **musher0** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 07:54

On the other hand, Libre Office contains Draw, a paint and drawing program.

(Un)fortunately, you cannot cut LibreOffice or OpenOffice into just the portions you want.
You have to take the whole lot -- or leave the whole lot.

BFN.

Pelo · #89 Post by **Pelo** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 13:22

MyPaint will easily replace Draw
Don't forger Gimp,and xaralx are also part of integrated tools for our painters. I really think Libre office is really a bad idea.
In a Puppy full office, MyPaint woudn't have its place,in the other hand.

and if we spoke about these tools, after keyboard and Libre office stories ?
Mypaint ; thickness of the line depends on the pressure you apply to your pen... Colours are very pale...

LazY Puppy · #90 Post by **LazY Puppy** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 14:29

I think, big packages like office suites and/or applications like browsers that are seem to be updated every few weeks should come as sfs or as portable RoxApp by default and NOT being installed into a Puppy or a derivative.

But that's only my humble opinion...

On the other hand, Libre Office contains Draw, a paint and drawing program.

(Un)fortunately, you cannot cut LibreOffice or OpenOffice into just the portions you want.
You have to take the whole lot -- or leave the whole lot.

I'm pretty sure this can be done - it just needs one to do so.

Though I'm not sure if this will return a small Libre Draw only package (small in size).

musher0 · #91 Post by **musher0** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 14:54

LazY Puppy wrote:I think, big packages like office suites and/or applications like browsers that are seem to be updated every few weeks should come as sfs or as portable RoxApp by default and NOT being installed into a Puppy or a derivative.

But that's only my humble opinion...

On the other hand, Libre Office contains Draw, a paint and drawing program.

(Un)fortunately, you cannot cut LibreOffice or OpenOffice into just the portions you want.
You have to take the whole lot -- or leave the whole lot.
I'm pretty sure this can be done - it just needs one to do so.

Though I'm not sure if this will return a small Libre Draw only package (small in size).

Well, ASRI "isolated" the OO "writer", but the entire package lost only +/- 20Mgs.
Not worth it, IMO.

Presenting LO or OO as a separate sfs -- instead of integrated to the puplet -- may
be a good idea. Just to stop damned pelo from grumbling it is a good idea!

Anybody selling ear-muffs around here?

LazY Puppy · #92 Post by **LazY Puppy** » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 14:56

Well, ASRI "isolated" the OO "writer", but the entire package lost only +/- 20Mgs.
Not worth it, IMO.

True!

musher0 · #93 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:20

Hello Lazy_Puppy, starhawk and all.

I got starhawk's VincentVanPup out of the moth balls and set it up again.

Since I am not a graphic artist myself, I hadn't paid much attention to it the first time
I used it. IIRC, I had found the backdrop a bit childish. (But hey!, at my age, who
am I to judge!)

On second install, this looks like a very fine derivative -- with a solid base, pemasu's
raringPup-3.9.9.2..

Using my "qc.sh" script at Startup, I could access the French accents without any
problem. Also it connected fine to the Internet; I'm writing this post from it now.

We may criticize the inclusion of the whole LibreOffice suite, but artists need to write
letters to agents and for promotional purposes (LO writer), maintain records of who
they sell their artwork to (LO base), keep a personal checkbook and have a
business budget (LO calc) -- like any free-lancer. I think it's justified to have a good
office suite even in a specialist Puppy.

IF we needed to gain space in this puplet, I would rather suggest that one of the two
big browsers (Chrome or SeaMonkey) be removed. But probably starhawk had his
reasons.

Included is my take on the icon placement on the background, plus proof of accented
characters utilization.

As I said, I'm not a graphic artist, but judging from the general allure of this puplet
and the wide range of graphic tools available, I'd say:

"Hats off, well done, starhawk!"

BFN.

starhawk · #94 Post by **starhawk** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:50

Thank you for the compliment, musher! I needed a smile today...

musher0 · #95 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 00:56

Hi.

You can find many of Vincent van Gogh's paintings as wallpapers if you invest
a minimum of effort, through ask.com or any major search engine:

http://www.ask.com/web?q=computer+wallp ... archTopBox

Or here, among many other places:
http://www.artwallpapers.biz/Vincent-Va ... Wallpapers

BFN.

Pelo · #96 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 01:34

"Included in this Puplet are a whole pile of applications for creating digital artwork. Wine is in there, which means that if you want to add Adobe's Creative Suite or Photoshop or CorelDRAW or whatever, you're able to do that, right out of the box. I've also stuffed in The GIMP, in case Photoshop's outside your budget Wink and Xara Xtreme should substitute adequately for CorelDRAW, for those who like vector illustrations (SVG type stuff, anyone?). There's also MyPaint, which appears to be a very powerful application for digital painting -- I'm pretty sure that, given the right drivers and such, you could use it with (for example) a Wacom Tablet, and do some VERY nifty things. It can also be used with a mouse, of course... these are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg; Vinnie's got a TON of stuff! " who could disagree whit that ?

RSH opinion reinforce mine. I would have liked some people Appreciate graphics applications available in Van pup.
Libre Office has his own topics. Not only one. Artists only have two artwork puppies with old kernel.
Sure they can load L.O SFS on the fly, When Van gogh needed money, no need to write to his brother to loan some florins.
But their first ennoying bug is that they cannot paint pure colors !
They should post in business forum, because the will never sell anything.

GNU Cash perhaps should be added.

What about getting pure colors with MyPaint, because they look as having washed in a washing machine, The red is an old Pink, never red will allow painting roofs. Because you cannot apply pressure to the brush !
The subject has got wrong way when starhawk decided not wishing post on his topic... If Musher0 agrees on taking the leadership, well, it's a salvation.Argolance would be Jesus Christ, if he could appear in the show.

musher0 · #97 Post by **musher0** » Sun 01 May 2016, 01:58

Hi pelo.

I would suspect the cause of pale colors is rather a low-quality monitor, or your monitor
settings, or the angle you are looking at it. Not MyPaint. Colors on a so-so LRT do not
have the depth that they had on the old CRTs. (In my experience.)

Have you tried the other paint tools included in VVP? Do you get better colors? Don't
expect crisp and resplendent colors on the monitor of a portable, IMO.

As I said, I'm not an artist, so I have very limited experience with paint programs. My son
is a professional graphic designer, and he's using the best-quality monitor he could find
with his desktop.

Hopefully other members will ring in on that. Argolance certainly could provide a valid
perspective, he's a professional artist. Invite him to join the discussion on this thread?

Or perhaps dejan555? I believe he's a professional photographer? He showed us some
of his work a few years ago. I am sure there are other Puppyists here with interesting
experience in art, but we don't know them as such.

I can probably provide an approximate, half-valid hint now and then, but art is NOT my
field of expertise. If starhawk has other projects, then maybe a real artist could become
the maintainer of this puplet. Certainly not me.

BFN.

Pelo · #98 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:09

That can be discussed here. Perhaps i use badly available tools. The topic should be about these subjects.. Nice Musher0 that you guide it on the rails.
I want to underline that VanPup is the only Puppy running MyPaint correctly nowadays.. Others install it. But it does not work.
Personnal info : there was a carnival in my town. The (quite professional) photographer takes more than 1000 pictures. I have reworked most of them for publishing on the Facebook site of The town (yes, in France, administrators use Facebook to inform their electors, 95% of them, perhaps the 5% are linux users))

greengeek · #99 Post by **greengeek** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:49

Hi Pelo - did my remastered version give any improvement to the qc keyboard bug?

Pelo · #100 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 01 May 2016, 02:56

Greengeek, not yet. I will do it ASAP (yesterday i was dealing with audio (transfering to my computer old tapes in mp3, nice subject using Puppy Linux, successfully).
Musher0, Argolance was an artist a long time ago, Before using a computer ! He was a GoldFinger in his artshop 'the Goldfoot', now he is a GoldPuppy maker

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Please repair Starhawk's ISO removing Libre Office

MyPaint will easily replace Draw;

you cannot apply pressure to the brush !

Nice Musher0 that you guide this topic on the rails.

Greengeek, not yet. I will do it ASAP