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Trash and Mounted Disk Icons Missing On XFCE 4.8/10 Desktop
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jimwg

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2013, 09:06    Post subject:  Trash and Mounted Disk Icons Missing On XFCE 4.8/10 Desktop  

Greetings!

My trash basket icon hasn't appeared on my XFEC 4.8/10 (because though the XFCE info box says its 4.10, the XFCE files in Puppy Package Manager say they're all 4.8.) Puppy Precise Retro 5.7.1 32bit desktop since I installed it. Is this the default? Also I can't get any other mounted disk icons to appear either.

Any assistance most welcome!

Jim in NYC
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Oct 2013, 10:03    Post subject:  

Ok the icons and trash of puppy itself are tied into using rox as the desktop.

The xfce volume management would need daemon(s) that puppy does not have.

This might interest you http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2115487669&t=78881
Use it myself and its definately not 'horrible' and is window manager independant

mike
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jimwg

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:47    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Ok the icons and trash of puppy itself are tied into using rox as the desktop.

The xfce volume management would need daemon(s) that puppy does not have.

This might interest you http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=2115487669&t=78881
Use it myself and its definately not 'horrible' and is window manager independant

mike


Unfortunately doesn't seem to work on my system Sad. I'm willing to try the long and tedious command line hacker way get icon and functions back!

Jim in NYC
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:55    Post subject:  

Bum.... thats a shame ... I have them working on Lucid though it was a slightly older release. Who knows the wonders that await with precise.....

Unfortunately I have no other suggestions for either problem with your config.

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sheldonisaac

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 11:47    Post subject: Re: Trash and Mounted Disk Icons Missing On XFCE 4.8/10 Desktop  

jimwg wrote:
My trash basket icon hasn't appeared on my XFEC 4.8/10 (because though the XFCE info box says its 4.10, the XFCE files in Puppy Package Manager say they're all 4.8.) Puppy Precise Retro 5.7.1 32bit desktop since I installed it. Is this the default? Also I can't get any other mounted disk icons to appear either.
Any assistance most welcome!

Jim in NYC

I'm in "frugal" Lucid Puppy 5.2.8-005, though I can try to boot Precise; not familiar with Precise.

Could you boot Precise. and _not_ use the save file?
That is, boot it with a kernel line including pfix=ram

See whether that results in the trash basket icon reappearing.

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 16:31    Post subject:    

Aboard 5.7.1, I can attest this works fine for the trash bit. Drive icons are another matter..
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jimwg

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 18:39    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Bum.... thats a shame ... I have them working on Lucid though it was a slightly older release. Who knows the wonders that await with precise.....

Unfortunately I have no other suggestions for either problem with your config.

mike


I'm going to give it another go in case I missed something or did something wrong. Just a newbie!

Jim in NYC
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jimwg

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 18:48    Post subject: Re: Trash and Mounted Disk Icons Missing On XFCE 4.8/10 Desktop  

sheldonisaac wrote:
jimwg wrote:
My trash basket icon hasn't appeared on my XFEC 4.8/10 (because though the XFCE info box says its 4.10, the XFCE files in Puppy Package Manager say they're all 4.8.) Puppy Precise Retro 5.7.1 32bit desktop since I installed it. Is this the default? Also I can't get any other mounted disk icons to appear either.
Any assistance most welcome!

Jim in NYC

I'm in "frugal" Lucid Puppy 5.2.8-005, though I can try to boot Precise; not familiar with Precise.

Could you boot Precise. and _not_ use the save file?
That is, boot it with a kernel line including pfix=ram

See whether that results in the trash basket icon reappearing.


Took some research what you were referring to but I finally wisened up how to do the puppy pfix=ram thing and got the original virgin Puppy page which displays trash and mounted drive icons and the works. Now if if I can only get my normal Puppy install to display the same things! Sad

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jimwg

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 18:51    Post subject:  

Semme wrote:
Aboard 5.7.1, I can attest this works fine for the trash bit. Drive icons are another matter..


Thanks a trillion for that delete files backup! Now onwards to fix my desktop trash can (and movable drive) icons back! Thanks!

Jim in NYC
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jimwg

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2013, 07:18    Post subject:  

I'm a newbie shooting in the dark but might this have anything to do with it?

When I log in I'm given a panel choice to select a Xfce session or quit and go on to a JWM session which has all normal fully functioning icons including trash and mounted drives. (FYI in case, I have Swapicons installed my JWM side). When I log into Xfce session instead I'm missing all icons except Home and System. My Swapicon install is set so that if I mouse cursor to a "hot" corner it switches to a JWM screen that is completely nonfunctional except for panel menus,and mousing to the corner gets me back the working Xfce screen. Could it be that the JWM screen "steals" trash and mounted drive icons from Xfce mode from the start? Just a newbie wondering! This issue even baffles the generous Mint guy who found me a way to have different desktop backgrounds for each different desktop here!

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2013, 08:02    Post subject:  

As mentioned Rox (the file manager) handles desktop icons in its own unique way and the backend scripts only work with that.
Options are to kill the xfdesktop of xfce4 or come up with a way of displaying the wanted icons on more standard desktops.

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jimwg

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2013, 08:58    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
As mentioned Rox (the file manager) handles desktop icons in its own unique way and the backend scripts only work with that.
Options are to kill the xfdesktop of xfce4 or come up with a way of displaying the wanted icons on more standard desktops.

mike


Got you. So maybe I can fix this step by step. Would you know the simplest or most common break that would keep trash (or mounted drive) icons appearing on a Xfce desktop? (FYI if I try to access root via Thundar, Thundar balks that .trash is missing). If it doesn't work or apply I can proceed from there. Thanks for any hints!

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2013, 09:18    Post subject:  

Well the trash complaint almost sounds like a bad file handle .....
have you tried pleasing it by touch /root/.trash ? Or mkdir /root/.trash
Or an fsck on the save file? Can rox access /root?

This is a little odd as on xfce4 here trash is located in /root/.local/share/Trash/ but mine will be an older version.

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jimwg

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Nov 2013, 17:32    Post subject:  

Okay, if I do the ifix=ram thing I get the original pure Puppy desktop and all its icons and trash icons are intact. When I run in JWM mode I have a healthy trash icon. It's Xfce that doesn't recreate a desktop trash icon even though I've moved folders on the desktop as people recommended. Some suggest that drag /root/.local/share/Trash to the desktop as /root/Desktop/Trash but that looks like it just creates a standard folder not a trash can icon and how do I know whether by moving it so kills its property as a real trash icon? Or is it safer to create a link icon from /root/.local/share/Trash to the desktop so I don't screw up any sensitive configurations? I have no running samples of a proper "directory structure" to go by to see what trash/desktop icons or files are supposed to be where and what shouldn't. Or maybe more fundamental, can JWM and Xfce coexist with both having normal trash icons/folders or does JWM somehow inhibit Xfce from having such?

Any hints much appreciated!

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Nov 2013, 19:52    Post subject:  

jwm does not have a trash can

The thing you see is a rox app in /usr/local/apps

thats about all I have got....
note the pristine file system can be found in /initrd/pup_ro2/

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