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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 14:39    Post subject:  

Hey guys

here is what i intend to do this weekend
i will download woof
and try to build an iso
from debian stable
i will try to make it as small and as simple as possible
only the core x jwm xrvt rox geanny
maybe dhcp
and the downloader for debs (i dont know how that works)

we will see how this goes
any advice or thoughts ?

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 15:57    Post subject:  

By the way - I'm working on a tiny Puppy with musl, lazy-utils, loksh, Xfbdev and cwm. I'm curently trying to port tinyxserver to x86_64 - if this port works, we can use this tiny thing as a base - it's similar to pupngo, but modern, fully automated and 64 bit.

I think we mustn't give up the alternative to Woof, full independence, in case the community release model fails.

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wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:15    Post subject:  

here is my plan

1. build a core of woof debian --- command line only (busybox ash)
2. build an basic x image --- x jwm rxvt
3. build an basic apps image --- rox leafpad
4. build internet access image --- dhcpd
5. build additional apps image --- firefox mplayer
6. build (whatever else we want) image

loopfile symlink these images together to form a working distro
they can be compressed SFS or uncompressed ext2 image

we shall see if this can be done with woof
and if i can do it

any thoughts ?

wanderer

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:18    Post subject:  

Why Debian?

Slackware is a much more suitable base.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:19    Post subject:  

sounds great
but a 32 bit will run on everything
both 32 and 64
is there a 32 bit version

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:22    Post subject:  

I think if one was to come out it should be 32bit. Some apps (even with multilib) don't work at all on 64bit. And many of us here are to poor to have 64bit hardware.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:27    Post subject:  

i think the debian ubuntu mint crowd
has more overall support

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:29    Post subject:  

If the buildings procedure is automatic, the 32/64 bit question is irrelevant Wink
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:29    Post subject:  

yes but they can't help us. Slackware is much more stable and faster than debian/ubuntu/mint. If you want a TRUELY stable distro, Slackware is the ONLY way to go.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:35    Post subject:  

i really like the pupngo idea
of statically linking the applications in the core

and i also like the idea of putting all the dependencies
of an application
in an sfs or uncompressed image file
and loopfile symlinking it

so that each part is independent

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 16:37    Post subject:  

the community puppy cant fail
if we just keep working on it
it will continue to evolve
and it helps bring the puppy community together

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 17:06    Post subject:  

bark_bark_bark wrote:
yes but they can't help us. Slackware is much more stable and faster than debian/ubuntu/mint. If you want a TRUELY stable distro, Slackware is the ONLY way to go.


There are already both 32 and 64 bit slackware based puppies and as far as I know both Micko and Q5sys intent to go on with them.
Regarding stability, Debian-stable is stable to the point that is boring! You have to go to enterprise solution (RedHat) to find something more stable.
Actually Debian-testing may be better and a bit exciting too Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 17:09    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
Debian-stable is stable to the point that is boring! You have to go to enterprise solution (RedHat) to find something more stable.
Actually Debian-testing might be a bit exciting too Wink
Laughing

Probably a good choice though, especially since BK did a lot of work on PPM for debian compatibility.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 17:22    Post subject:  

Guys, we're starting a distro war. Gotta settle on one distro or go solo Laughing

I think Debian stable and Slackware are the best options, because it's extremely hard to follow testing with Woof. I've built puplets from stable, testing and sid - it's amazingly complex to keep up with sid and testing seems to break on a monthly basis before the freeze Smile

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Nov 2013, 17:41    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
@JamesBond suggests that we find ways to raise money for the idea and strategies for Puppy LInux. And to use that money to disperse to those individuals who actually work on the package(s).


No, I'm not making a suggestion. I'm asking you to do it.

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But, If he wants, I will help him do so. I'll assist anyone who has some ideas of how to advance this distro. And, new approaches to make it attractive to bring others on-board and advance Puppy Linux is just what is needed.
No, I don't need or want help because I'm not going to do anything. I am asking *you* (gcmartin, not anyone else) to take the lead and *do* it. In case it's not clear, I am asking *you* to organise the fundraising. Me, I will just watch from the side and give comments Laughing

Are *you* willing to do it? Is Puppy worth enough of your time to spend on fundraising efforts?

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