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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2017, 22:30    Post subject:  

s243a wrote:
When palemoon starts up we seem to be missing a bunch of libraries. I'm not sure if any of this has to do with youtube error, since this happens before youtube shuts down palemoon but here is part of the strace output:

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Hmmmm... 16 hits on missing "sse2". Are you running a Pentium 3 machine? Or is glibc compiled for Pentium 3 CPU (i.e. no sse2 support)? This is a long shot, but have you tried the sse-only Pale Moon build? (I'm the volunteer maintainer). It's almost identical to the mainline edition, except...
    a little bit slower due to not using sse2 CPU instructions
    no devtools (to reduce memory footprint)
    One minor compatability tweak for older libraries

It has to be installed manually as per instructions in the first post of thread https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13530 The tarball is is located at ftp://contrib:get@ftp.palemoon.org/SSE-Linux/
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s243a

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 00:36    Post subject:  

Walter Dnes wrote:
s243a wrote:
When palemoon starts up we seem to be missing a bunch of libraries. I'm not sure if any of this has to do with youtube error, since this happens before youtube shuts down palemoon but here is part of the strace output:

[ snip ]

Hmmmm... 16 hits on missing "sse2". Are you running a Pentium 3 machine? Or is glibc compiled for Pentium 3 CPU (i.e. no sse2 support)? This is a long shot, but have you tried the sse-only Pale Moon build? (I'm the volunteer maintainer). It's almost identical to the mainline edition, except...
    a little bit slower due to not using sse2 CPU instructions
    no devtools (to reduce memory footprint)
    One minor compatability tweak for older libraries

It has to be installed manually as per instructions in the first post of thread https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13530 The tarball is is located at ftp://contrib:get@ftp.palemoon.org/SSE-Linux/


THE CPU supports SSE2.

I ran the command
Code:

grep -om1 sse2 /proc/cpuinfo

to verify.

You'll have to ask rerwin if the associated glibc pet was compiled against an older instruction set. For now my hack seems to be working but I should try other approaches on a fresh install.

I see that this topic has come up before:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=936686#936686

I think it would be good since lucid is an old pup to have both a SSE and SSE2 version of both the glibc and the palemoon browser.
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s243a

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 02:59    Post subject:  

Now that palemoon is working for me my next task is synergy. The first thing that I had to do was install qt4-qmake_4.6.2 from the puppy package manager.

Then I created a symbolic link to make qmake point to qmake-qt4

Now I need uic-qt4

I'm going to try to compile it because I don't see any discussion about it for lucid.

Edit: a stackoverflow thread suggests that this might be part of the pyqt-devtools package. I'm downloading it now from the package manager with the many dependencies.

Edit2: I installed many qt4 packages from the puppy package manager and still no uic-qt4, unless it is simply a matter of wrapping pyuic4 in a scipt and calling it "uic-qt4"

I think maybe the next thing for me to try is to compile the qt package. Luniux from scratch has some notes on this:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/7.4/x/qt4.html
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/6.3/x/qt4.html

The version of the qt packages in the puppy package manager are 4.6.2

Edit 3: The linux from scatch page says that QR 4.8.5 requires alsa-lib-1.0.27.2 luicd comes with also 1.0.24. Although I see a bunch of backport modules in the puppy package manager for Alsa that have a higher version number. I'm not sure what these backport modules are. Also the source for 4.8.5 doesn't seem to exist so I'm going to try 4.8.6 and modify the slackbuild script to build it as a puppy pet while looking to see what installation notes that I need to incorporate from linuxfromscratch.

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keniv

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 06:17    Post subject:  

Hello s243a,
Thanks for your reply and confirmation that you can reproduce the problem I have. I've looked at your code not all of which I understand. However I did not download the YouTube video with palemoon. I used youtube-dl. My hardware is somewhat limited (800MHz 320MB) and YouTube is jerky using Palemoon. I'll try your suggestion in a fresh savefile and report back.

Thanks again,

Ken.

Edit Sorry, just realised the previous post on p67 that only the first part was about my problem and the other posts are about palemoon.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec 2017, 08:38    Post subject:  

Thanks, rerwin, for keeping this breed of Puppy alive. Very Happy
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s243a

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec 2017, 01:36    Post subject:  

s243a wrote:
Now that palemoon is working for me my next task is synergy. The first thing that I had to do was install qt4-qmake_4.6.2 from the puppy package manager.

Then I created a symbolic link to make qmake point to qmake-qt4

Now I need uic-qt4

I'm going to try to compile it because I don't see any discussion about it for lucid.

Edit: a stackoverflow thread suggests that this might be part of the pyqt-devtools package. I'm downloading it now from the package manager with the many dependencies.

Edit2: I installed many qt4 packages from the puppy package manager and still no uic-qt4, unless it is simply a matter of wrapping pyuic4 in a scipt and calling it "uic-qt4"

I think maybe the next thing for me to try is to compile the qt package. Luniux from scratch has some notes on this:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/7.4/x/qt4.html
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/6.3/x/qt4.html

The version of the qt packages in the puppy package manager are 4.6.2

Edit 3: The linux from scatch page says that QR 4.8.5 requires alsa-lib-1.0.27.2 luicd comes with also 1.0.24. Although I see a bunch of backport modules in the puppy package manager for Alsa that have a higher version number. I'm not sure what these backport modules are. Also the source for 4.8.5 doesn't seem to exist so I'm going to try 4.8.6 and modify the slackbuild script to build it as a puppy pet while looking to see what installation notes that I need to incorporate from linuxfromscratch.


Wrapping pyuic4 as uic-qt4 seems to have worked. I had to install a bunch of qt4 libraries from the puppy package manager, including one that said "ubuntu sdk" and a bunch of python stuff but in the end synergy seemed to compile:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/maj9ox5t4occob0/synergy-core-1.7.5.pet?dl=0

I haven't tested it yet. I suspect I'm missing some dependencies because I ignored what they said were the dependencies on the slackbuild site. >

Time to try a re-master now because my wife bent the usb stick and I don't want to have to start all this from scratch.
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s243a

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Dec 2017, 01:06    Post subject:  

I'm now trying superlupu4libere in a virtualbox. The seamonkey browser insall didn't work when I clicked on the browser Icon. Fortnuantly I can still use dillo. Will be installing palemoon next on this virtual machine.

I think I might try to install the latest python 2 on it.

BTW I was able to get synegy working on the other verusrions of superlupu4 that I'm running.
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sindi

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 18:18    Post subject: smtube 15 no longer works  

Smtube 15 and 17 no longer work with Youtube since something changed their recently.

Smtube 18.1 does, in Tahr with some Qt5 libraries added (not found in Lupu)..
I copied over all the missing libraries but could not find libharfbuzz, and some of the libQt5 libraries need glibc 2.15 or even 2.17. (Tahr has 2.19).

Is it safe to update to glibc 2.19 using some Ubuntu package? ppm offers 2.6. Lupu (my version anyway) has 2.11.

Rerwin, would you consider updating glibc for Lupu 2016 (or 2018)?

Lupu 2016 works perfectly on a 2009 AMD HP dv6500 where Slacko, Tahr and Xenial cannot handle the video (even in framebuffer mode).
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rerwin


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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jan 2018, 21:42    Post subject:  

sindi,
After experimenting with watchdog's glibc wrapper for Seamonkey and Palemoon, I concluded that adapting the lupus to use 2.19 for them would be more complicated than I can manage, although I provided packages for those will to "risk it". There are too many incompatibilities to try to resolve -- if that is even possible.

Switching over to 2.19 is more than I can do. Considering that lucid is no longer supported anywhere, I see no point in trying to improve it and am moving on to working with the xenialpups and Easy OS. But I am open to making bug fixes to lucid if necessary.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jan 2018, 22:00    Post subject: Lupu Pluses and LibreOffice 5.4.4 uploaded  

I have created the "plus" variants for lupu, sulu2 and sulu4, containing the December release of LibreOffice, 5.4.4. Their links are now in the first message of this thread.

For those wanting to update to LO 5.4.4 in an existing Lucid pup, I also uploaded LibreOffice-5.4.4_en-US_gz.sfs here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/axxq7v8hjve5wvh/LibreOffice-5.4.4_en-US_gz.sfs

And the final LO 5.3 release is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nquucapcevdg105/LibreOffice-5.3.7_en-US_gz.sfs

A companion Java package is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9fqzpyztb282itt/jre-8u152-i586_gz.sfs
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s243a

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Jan 2018, 22:29    Post subject:  

rerwin wrote:
sindi,
After experimenting with watchdog's glibc wrapper for Seamonkey and Palemoon, I concluded that adapting the lupus to use 2.19 for them would be more complicated than I can manage, although I provided packages for those will to "risk it". There are too many incompatibilities to try to resolve -- if that is even possible.

Switching over to 2.19 is more than I can do. Considering that lucid is no longer supported anywhere, I see no point in trying to improve it and am moving on to working with the xenialpups and Easy OS. But I am open to making bug fixes to lucid if necessary.


I think it's possible but I agree there are some complications. The issue seems to be that it is getting linked to some incompatible libraries. I believe it is worth trying but it is above my skill level. Until someone succeeds there is a chromium browser in quickpet which is new enough that websites won't complain.

The issue seems to be with plug-ins. Palemoon isn't loading the glibc wrapper when a plugin is loaded so some websites are crashing the browser due to incompatible libraries.

rerwin thanks for your work on palemoon. I think we are very close Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Jan 2018, 19:28    Post subject: THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT WORK MAINTAINING LUPU  

rerwin wrote:
Considering that lucid is no longer supported anywhere, I see no point in trying to improve it and am moving on to working with the xenialpups and Easy OS. But I am open to making bug fixes to lucid if necessary.


Dear Richard,

thank to you I am for several years now a constant user of Lucid Puppy. You have done an outstanding work keeping LUPU updated ... it surely have made my life easier. I have no words to describe how I enjoyed -- and still enjoy -- using my old desktop running it with LUPU Revitalized. Although I haven't posted much I have always been surfing the forum, especially "Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.7", and finding great answers for my needs.

It is been now a few weeks that I am also experimenting XENIAL, in a newer old laptop. And more and more I will be working with XENIAL rather than with LUPU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GREAT WORK, TALENT, GENEROSITY AND TIME!


Fernando
Urca, Rio de Janeiro

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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Feb 2018, 12:51    Post subject:  

Hallo, Richard.

Got a small query for you.

I'm gradually setting up all 10 Pups in the kennels to work with frenchiveruti's suspend script for desktops (from here):-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112449

It's simple enough to modify /etc/xdg/templates/_root_jwmrc to add a 'Suspend' clause into the shutdown menu in the ROX/JWM Pups, whether they use the new logout_gui or not.....but Lucid has me stumped. I know it's different because of using Openbox and fbpanel, but, please; DO tell. Where in the name of all that's holy does Lucid generate its menus from?

I've tried every option I can think of in /etc/xdg (and lost track of the number of times I've run 'fixmenus' in the terminal, and re-started 'X').....nothing seems to work. Any advice on this would be very much appreciated, mate!


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rerwin


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 09:17    Post subject:  

My guess is that the file to modify is /etc/xdg/openbox/menu_bottom.xml, which has a shutdown section. I infer that you want to add "Suspend" to the shutdown menu.

The changes to /etc/xdg/templates/_root_jwmrc are still needed, for users switching to JWM.
Richard
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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2018, 12:33    Post subject:  

The only reasons I would want to update the originals is that some PDFs cannot be read by older Puppies unless you add an annoying PDF editor, and that older Puppies have trouble with non-English characters, in particular in file names.

While I haven't noticed any problems with PDFs with these updates, the problem of diacritics is very much still present.
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