Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.7 - Nov., 2017 - Final

[bigpup]

My set of problems with Amilo L7380GW and live-cd is complicated
- display Via S3 Unichrome Pro 64MB is not recognized
- or trying to use Openchrome fails, only generic VESA works
- very often I even get no boot prompt to start xorgwizard
- mobile broadband USB-modem is at first not recognized
- or maybe not at all

For Lucid 5286

With this graphics card, you are always going to have problems with Linux support.
The Vesa driver is probably your best option.
There is nothing wrong with using the Vesa driver. It provides support for the common functions that all graphics hardware have.

Click on Quickpet icon on desktop.
In Quickpet->drivers tab
Run "click here to test your graphics card"
It may suggest some other or added driver to use.

very often I even get no boot prompt to start xorgwizard

I assume this is because it tries to do a good boot to desktop, guessing at what graphics driver to use. Sometimes it comes close to working and other times it fails.

At the Puppy boot screen, hit F2 for boot options screen.
The Puppy boot screen does not stay up for long, so you do need to be quick, in pressing F2, to get to boot options.

After you do get booted to desktop. When you shutdown, make a save file. Next time you boot, the save file will be used, with your custom settings.

mobile broadband USB-modem is at first not recognized
- or maybe not at all

Explain in detail what you see.
There is time needed to connect and establish setup.

[futwerk]

backgrounds.

[Volhout]

Hee Futwerk,

These are truely nice....!!

[sheldonisaac]

The popular Lucid Puppy has been upgraded with its major components brought up to date.

Hi, I just noticed there is no battery indicator in the systray?

Even when I boot without the save file.

lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140109.iso
Dell Latitude E6410

Thank you,
Sheldon

[tigs]

Just want give cerwin a feedback. It is not fair not to let you know that I have been using your lucid for a while. I have tried quite a few different versions of puppies. This is the one i eventually settled on. I just want to let you know that your work is greatly appreciated. Dont abandon it.

The reasons i like it are:

It is fast, it is truly cutting-edge, and has all the major repositories which gives wide selection of apps.

the only thing I would wish that there is a truly mini version. the menu is cluttered with a lot application I never use. It will be great if you can make a barebone version which has nothing but the minimal to get the puppy running, eg, package manager, network, pupsave, ect. what is available in the repository isleft to user to decide.

I have another question. Is there a guide as to hoe to edit menu categories? I would like at least to unstall some apps and removes some categories and consolidate the menu. I was able to uninstall all the games, but the "Fun" category is still there.

thanks for the great work.

[kenh]

Thanks for revitalizing this puppy! My favorite version for my Eeepc 900 since Puppeee was discontinued.

It brings back things I miss in the latest mainstream Puppies:

Quickpets, Pwidgets (need battery, temp. and wireless info), desktop icon setup menu, quick selection of browser downloads, and other things.

Some of these are available in one form or another for current Puppies, but Lupu has them all together.

Ken

[rerwin]

I just noticed there is no battery indicator in the systray?
. . .
lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140109.iso

Thank you for pointing that out. I have tested the latest version, 2.6-wary5, in lupu and sulu2 and it appears to work in both! So, I will add that to the next upload of lupu and friends.

tigs and kenh, thanks for your encouraging words. tigs, the way to remove entries from the menus is to delete the ".desktop" file for each one you want to remove. They reside in /usr/share/applications. That would remove only the entries, not the programs. But they contain the name of the program file that you might also remove, although you may then leave other components behind.
Richard

[as77]

lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140109.iso

Nice to have a date stamp in the ISO filenane. Thanks!

[sheldonisaac]

lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140109.iso

Nice to have a date stamp in the ISO filenane. Thanks!

Oh, I think I now understand?

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 168605696 2014-01-10 08:07 lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140109.iso

[bigpup]

pMusic 4.2.8
Bug fix version.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31206

[Pelo]

the number of Lucid renews increases. Good idea. upup 3.9.9 is ok, wireless connection, sound, Each can customize it, or not.
Really good way of doing things, permanent progress in a known environnement. Bien.
screen capture in Super Lucid : d'ont use VIDCAP 1.1.7 from PPM, but from my google drive repository. In fact it's a package done by our Kamarads from lupurus, ibiblio.org.
I'ts only 3.4MB. That's enough.
pet xvidcap 1.1.7
The video is here, click !

[nooby]

The reason I don't use it is due to me have dragged
.mozilla and .cache and some more to the HD
and dropped these for the older Lucy I use now.

I don't dare to touch this in case it get messed up.

I usually break things when I try to do such.

And the old Lu cy works well so see no immediate need
to change considering that I always forget how to do things.

[otropogo]

My installation of lupuplus 528.5 has gone terribly wrong. Suddenly, it can't find my Seamonkey profile, so Seamonkey won't run. Firefox won't let me set the check box to save passwords, my 2fs file has balooned to almost 6GB, where last time I checked it was under 2GB, and I can't seem to write from one hard drive to the other.

I prefer Seamonkey to Firefox, and I also need x-fprot, rawstudio and ufraw. Can I install all of those in the new lupu, or if not, can I load them from an old 2fs file?

[bigpup]

My installation of lupuplus 528.5 has gone terribly wrong. Suddenly, it can't find my Seamonkey profile, so Seamonkey won't run. Firefox won't let me set the check box to save passwords, my 2fs file has balooned to almost 6GB, where last time I checked it was under 2GB, and I can't seem to write from one hard drive to the other.

I would suspect a corrupted save file.
fsck the save file.

Could be partition filesystem corruption. Check it also.

[HiDeHo]

first i am wondering why there si a new iso for this as apposed to just an update .pet like with previous lupu528 versions. also as Lubuntu Lucid LTS has now been replaced byu Ubuntu tahr LTS what is teh future of this lupu os.

will this version of lucid puppy be updated to the new ubuntu tahr as that is now the current ubuntu LTS release. Barries quirky tahr is far removed from puppy now it does not have a frugal setup, and has moved away from the standard puppy. os . to fit in with Barries new ideas adn focus.

[darry1966]

This sums it up many people still use Lucid for old hardware and slightly newer
Great Quote from Mikeb from an earlier post.
PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov 2013, 07:48 Post subject: Reply with quote
Great to see some down to earth practical stuff going on here.

Some form of long term stable is welcome and basing it on probably one of the best puppy varients around thats popular with good reason is an excellent choice.

Please do keep the version number as a constant too... puppy has suffered version madness along with the rest of the software world recently and the subsequent confusion and almost religious fevour towards such is hardly constuctive.
There would not even be a need for distrospecs if we did not have several entirely different pups all with overlapping version numbers.

Take something that works well and update as needed.... the rate of new hardware seems to have slowed down and drivers can be built for the existing kernels(s) anyway and I find the Lucid software base to be new enough for current reasonable software.
A similar approach with older distros keeps them useful for years...I am still in lenny/slax6/puppy 4 land for day to day usage.

Hope you enjoy the experience rerwin and thanks for stepping in,

[otropogo]

My installation of lupuplus 528.5 has gone terribly wrong. Suddenly, it can't find my Seamonkey profile, so Seamonkey won't run. Firefox won't let me set the check box to save passwords, my 2fs file has balooned to almost 6GB, where last time I checked it was under 2GB, and I can't seem to write from one hard drive to the other.

I would suspect a corrupted save file.
fsck the save file.

tried that several times at bootup

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puppy pfix=fsck

It made no difference.

Could be partition filesystem corruption. Check it also.

Don't think so. Because when I found and booted with a (much) older 2fs that has most of my pets installed (but unfortunately doesn't have some passwords I didn't save except in Seamonkey), everything worked normally again. I have no idea how the save file ever go above 1GB, let alone to 6GB. But it definitely contributes to my lack of more current backups. Backing up a 1.4GB 2fs is a slow process, never mind one four times that size.

BTW - one used to be able to display all of the passwords for all of the sites at once, and so make a screensave to archive them. Now Seamonkey will only display one site's passwords at a time. This is what caused my biggest problem. And it's not the first time.

PS. still would like an answer as to whether I can use a 2fs file from lupuplus 5.28.5 in the .6 version. I must confess the explanation for the new "old" format didn't clarify anything for me.

Another question I have is whether I can install to usbflash directly from the 5.28.6 super iso while running 5.28.5? If so, any tips would be helpful.

[rerwin]

PS. still would like an answer as to whether I can use a 2fs file from lupuplus 5.28.5 in the .6 version. I must confess the explanation for the new "old" format didn't clarify anything for me.

Yes. My intent for 5.2.8.6 is that it should handle pupsaves starting with those from 528-002. (I am not sure about the "old format". But I know that pre-528 pupsaves will not work with 528.)

Remember, though, that any updates you have made to the puppy infrastructure may override improvements in 5.2.8.6, causing trouble. On first use of 5.2.8.6 with an existing pupsave, a limited check is made for installed packages that have been superseded by newer packages. But the checking is based on package names and versions. Packages with nonstandard name formats may not be detected.

Although it sounds tedious, you can look for conflicts by comparing the pup_rw layer to the pup_ro2 layer in /initrd. Generally, if you see differences in scripts. the pup_rw copy should probably be deleted, via /initrd/pup_rw/... The command I would use to find the conflicts is:

• diff -r /initrd/pup_ro2 /initrd/pup_rw | grep '^diff' | cut -f 4 -d ' ' | cut -f 4- -d / > /tmp/conflicts-pup_ro2-pup_rw.txt

That will produce a list of file paths that differ. The ones in "usr/" are the main ones that may need to be deleted from pup_rw. The "root/" and "etc/" files probably should be retained, although there may be exceptions that can be addressed individually. (You can post or PM to me the list for assessment.)

This will be a good test of my intent. Just be sure your pupsave file is good, in that it runs with 528-005. This will not solve your seamonkey or gigantic pupsave issues.
Richard

[otropogo]

PS. still would like an answer as to whether I can use a 2fs file from lupuplus 5.28.5 in the .6 version. I must confess the explanation for the new "old" format didn't clarify anything for me.

Yes. My intent for 5.2.8.6 is that it should handle pupsaves starting with those from 528-002. (I am not sure about the "old format". But I know that pre-528 pupsaves will not work with 528.)

Remember, though, that any updates you have made to the puppy infrastructure may override improvements in 5.2.8.6, causing trouble. On first use of 5.2.8.6 with an existing pupsave, a limited check is made for installed packages that have been superseded by newer packages. But the checking is based on package names and versions. Packages with nonstandard name formats may not be detected.

Although it sounds tedious, you can look for conflicts by comparing the pup_rw layer to the pup_ro2 layer in /initrd. Generally, if you see differences in scripts. the pup_rw copy should probably be deleted, via /initrd/pup_rw/... The command I would use to find the conflicts is:

• diff -r /initrd/pup_ro2 /initrd/pup_rw | grep '^diff' | cut -f 4 -d ' ' | cut -f 4- -d / > /tmp/conflicts-pup_ro2-pup_rw.txt

That will produce a list of file paths that differ. The ones in "usr/" are the main ones that may need to be deleted from pup_rw. The "root/" and "etc/" files probably should be retained, although there may be exceptions that can be addressed individually. (You can post or PM to me the list for assessment.)

This will be a good test of my intent. Just be sure your pupsave file is good, in that it runs with 528-005. This will not solve your seamonkey or gigantic pupsave issues.
Richard

Thanks Richard,

That's good news. Really the only elements I need to bring with me in the 2fs are xfprot, ufraw, and rawstudio. xfprot is the key one, because I haven't been able to find another virus scanner I can run in Puppy.

One thing that would be nice is for 528-6 to be set up to run under the UEFI bios when and if needed, as Knoppix is. After installing Knoppix, either to a liveDVD or usbflash, one can boot it as is on a UEFI BIOS so long as the boot security setting has been disabled.

Is that possible with 528-6, or if not, could you add that functionality, or advise me how to do it?

I'm also not clear whether 528-6 will simply boot a lupu-save.2fs file, or that file must first be renamed for it to be recognized?

Also, is there a way to install 528-6 directly to a usbflash card from the iso itself, or does it have to be burned to a CD first?

[rerwin]

One thing that would be nice is for 528-6 to be set up to run under the UEFI bios when and if needed, as Knoppix is. After installing Knoppix, either to a liveDVD or usbflash, one can boot it as is on a UEFI BIOS so long as the boot security setting has been disabled.

Is that possible with 528-6, or if not, could you add that functionality, or advise me how to do it?

I would be willing to attempt adding that if I knew how to do it. Could you dig around to find postings on it, to give me a starting point?

I'm also not clear whether 528-6 will simply boot a lupu-save.2fs file, or that file must first be renamed for it to be recognized?

Both. The standard "lupus" expect the same pupsave name as always. For the "super lupus" you need to change the name from "lupusave" to "sulusave". I have done the latter on my day-to-day PC and have no trouble running lupusuper2 (my preferred variant of lucid pup).

Also, is there a way to install 528-6 directly to a usbflash card from the iso itself, or does it have to be burned to a CD first?

I am afraid I do not know anything about setting up puppy on a flash medium, so should not try to advise you. However, I would like to know how to set one up but just have not been able to get to it, given my obsessions with lupu and frisbee. Any help you can provide would be welcome.
Richard