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Mike Walsh


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Oct 2017, 06:17    Post subject:  

Robert123 wrote:
Hi Mike,

I wonder how easy it is to tweak chrome like Watchdog's magic - it is so wonderful to be able to still run old Pups and have a modern Browser. Recommend Watchdog for a knighthood.


Hi, Robert.

Unfortunately, I tend to agree with watchdog on this score. Chrome is a nightmare; every release has newer and newer requirements all the time. However, for Lucid, I'm not looking at constant upgrades; 32-bit Linux Chrome stopped at version 48, so I really just want one single version of Chrome adapted to run on Lucid. All I'd like is to be able to sync my bookmarks and extensions.....Chrome 26 is just too old for that anymore..!

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@watchdog: You don't fancy explaining to me how I can do this, do you? *Pretty please.....with sprinkles on?* Laughing Battleshooter's 'glibc upgrade' works nicely for Racy; might the same thing be possible for Lucid, d'you think?

If you want any details, just ask. I'm more than happy to contribute at my end...


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PostPosted: Wed 01 Nov 2017, 08:28    Post subject:  

Hello All
OscarTalks has provided a lucid version of links 2.14 in this thread
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=100642&start=15 at the very bottom thead on the page. I am posting from it now. It is a bit weird but renders quite well, is usable and is very fast. You can easily transfer bookmarks by exporting bookmarks.html from another browser and placing them in
/root/.links. You can edit them in links. I even made a bookmarks toolbar of sorts (see image). I still have a problem though. I can log into this forum but I am a member of a number of vintage electronics forums which I cannot log into. It's not a user name or password thing. I hope to overcome this problem. Again another possible browser for those using limited hardware.

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Nov 2017, 06:16    Post subject:  

Morning, all.

Quick query; would anybody happen to know where the clock on the fbpanel taskbar reads its fonts from?

I fancy adding the 'Michroma' font as employed by Carolina Vanguard. However, to do so, I need to know where to place it.....

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EDIT:- OK, solved; answered my own question!

/usr/share/fonts/default/TTF/Michroma.ttf PupClockSet picks it up as expected.....after a re-boot.

(Obtained from here, in case anybody else is interested...)





Looks rather good, too!


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Nov 2017, 18:15    Post subject: Release Candidate 20171110
Subject description: For lupu, sulu2 & sulu4, so far
 

After experimenting with the various browsers provided in this thread I conclude that only seamonkey-2.46 is reliable with lucid pup. Even with 2.46, flashplayer issues some warnings that do not seem to impact its operation. SM-2.48 and Palemoon require at least the glibc 2.19 upgrade of the glib components but issue some warnings or errors when used with add-ons.

Furthermore, sylpheed 3.4.1 issues error messages and OpenSSL seems to cause problems with other programs rejecting newer versions of some library components.

To maintain Lucid Pup's reputation for stability, I omit the upgrades that provide or require library components beyond those provided by the Lucid repos. That means that the new openssl and sylpheed, as well as the glibc219 and palemoon installer packages are not included, as they were in the beta ISOs. However, the glibc219 and palemoon installer packages are available (see below) for those accepting the limitations of seamonkey 2.48 and palemoon in the lucid environment.

I expect this to be the final release of lucid pup 5.2.8.7 unless there are last-minute patches. It is intended for those installations that don't need the latest browsers or cannot be upgraded to a newer Puppy due to hardware constraints. Because of the browser situation, I feel it is time to move on to XenialPup or some other relatively new Puppy. I plan to migrate to Xenial 7.0.9 for my own use, but am open to other recommendations.

I view the new release as a a "release candidate", to allow for fixes. So, please report any issues that should be corrected for this final version.

EDIT: Release candidates replaced by "Finals". The 20171125 release disk images are here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5il6yef4h3sdj


The main upgrades are:
    - Network connection upgrade for changing among SNS, Network Wizard and Frisbee.
    - CRDA wifi modem for international regulation compliance
    - RedShiftGUI and redshiftgui_startup added for automatic control of day/night screen color temperature
    - Many updates to current applications

Xorg driver reorganization: Moved all drivers to operatonal directory from backup directory, to ensure that only the newest versions are used.

Added/updated packages:
    - ca-certificates-2016-01-04.pet
    - frisbee-1.4.6.pet - for network connect
    - getflash-1.7-1.pet
    - get_libreoffice-0.40.pet
    - grub4dos-0.4.4.v1.9.2.pet (shinobar) (20171007)
    - gtkdialog-splash-20120321.pet
    - iw_0.9.19~ubuntu1_i386.deb - for network connect CRDA capability
    - libbsd0_0.2.0-1_i386.deb - for sftp
    - libpostproc51_0.5.9-0ubuntu0.10.04.3_i386.deb
    - libswscale0_0.5.9-0ubuntu0.10.04.3_i386.deb
    - libxcb-randr0_1.5-2ubuntu0.1_i386.deb - for redshiftGUI
    - modeset0-lucid-20171005.pet - added GeForce 6150 (& LE, SE) for sulu2 (20171007)
    - pdiag-20170329.pet
    - peasy_dvd_player-1.4.pet
    - peasyport-2.3.pet
    - pgprs-2.0.2.pet - for network connect
    - pmusic-5.2.7_lucid.pet
    - Pup-Control-3.2.pet
    - PupMenu-5.1.1
    - Pup-SysInfo-2.7.3.pet
    - redshiftGUI-0.2.1.pet
    - redshiftGUI_wrapper-20171120.pet (replaces redshiftGUI_startup-20171110.pet) EDIT
    - wcpufreq-1.1-noarch.pet
    - wireless-crda_1.12_i386.deb - for network connect CRDA capability
    - YASSM-4.1.pet

Infrastructure updates (zz_lupu-delta-20171125) EDIT:
    - network_connect_update-20170624-lucid.pet + updates
    - python_fix_for_5.2.8.7-20161228.pet - for CRDA capability (python link)
    - Quickpet_Fix_for_nVidia_video-20170130.pet
    - /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit - extend wait for usb mouse in CD boot-up
    - /usr/sbin/remaster_package_check - correct PET conflict detection (20171007)

Notes:
    Seamonkey browser/mail: Version 2.46 is the last that will run in Lucid Pup without the glibc 2.19 support package. Version 2.48 generally works but sometimes distorts menu lists, slanting them and making them difficult or impossible to navigate. I do not know how to fix that, so welcome any advice on that. I had to revert to 2.46 because I was unable to manage my email due to that persistent distortion.

    Network Connection Upgrade: This straightens out the details of switching among the three network managers and allows use of a manager different from the default (and back), without confusing the connect wizardry.

    Wifi/wireless CRDA: This can ensure that wifi modem operations comply with regulations in the country of operation. This relates to constraints on channel availability (1-11 vs. 1-14, etc) and transmission power. This is useful in countries where channels 12-14 are legal. By default, only channels 1-11 are allowed.


The following packages in the betas are omitted from the final release:
    - glibc219_runtime-lucid-20170907.pet - for seamonkey 2.48+, palemoon
    - palemoon_installer-0.2.3-lucid.pet

    - openssl-1.0.2l-i486-w5.pet

    - sylpheed-3.4.1-p4.pet
    - gnupg2_2.0.14-1ubuntu1.7_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1
    - gnupg-agent_2.0.14-1ubuntu1.7_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1
    - libgpgme11_1.2.0-1.2ubuntu1.1_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1
    - libksba8_1.0.7-2_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1
    - libpth20_2.0.7-14_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1
    - pinentry-gtk2_0.7.6-1_i386.deb - for sylpheed-3.4.1

    - retrovol-0.14.3.2-X.pet
    - retrovol_NLS-0.14.3.2-X.pet


To add support for seamonkey 2.48+ and palemoon, install glibc219_runtime and (optionally) palemoon_installer (which installs SSE version where necessary):

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PostPosted: Wed 22 Nov 2017, 17:07    Post subject:  

Hello All,
I'm now using the new sulu2 that rerwin mentioned in his post on Sat 11 Nov 2017. I've also installed glibc219_runtime-lucid-20171103.pet, palemoon_installer-0.2.3-lucid-20171024.pet and now have palemoon see.
I am trying to get You2Pup 2.8.5 to work as with very modest hardware it is a better way to view youtube video. It partly works. It gives an output in it's own terminal but I cannot copy and paste it even using Shift-Ins. I've attached an image of the last part of this (image-1). I've also attached an image of start up (image-2) and what is shown when you search for an item on youtube (image-3). Clicking on the images on image-3 does nothing. Hope this is enough to give some ideas. The only thing that I see is a possible problem with gtk.

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Ken
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Dec 2017, 20:40    Post subject:  

Has anybody got pup radio/tv to work. I am using sulu 002 (the most recent version) with known working urls. This is what I get running in a terminal.

Code:
GMLIB-Message: after init: position=0.000 length=0.000 start_time=0.000 run_time=0.000 volume=0.00 player=dead media=unknown uri=


I have this running in the last version of sulu 002 using the same url. Here is the url

Code:
http://bbcmedia.ic.llnwd.net/stream/bbcmedia_radio1_mf_p|BBC Radio 1


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Ken.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Dec 2017, 18:27    Post subject: Final version: 20171125  

I have begun creating and uploading what I expect to be the final version of Lucid Pup, version 20171125. The only difference from 20171110 is an update of the interface to RedhiftGUI, to match the version submitted to woofCE.

In addition to replacing the lupu, sulu2 and sulu4 variants, I have added their *libre variants with LO 5.3.7 and the current Java.

Even though this is the "final", please report any new problems, in case I can produce a patching .pet package for it (or replace the ISOs if necessary).

I am afraid that we are at the end of the road with browsers in Lucid Pup. My take is that only SeaMonkey 2.46 is the most reliable, although not perfect. Use the others with the glibc219 package only if you can accept their functionality limitations.

The link is still: http://www.mediafire.com/?5il6yef4h3sdj. The links to the individual variants in the first post of this thread have been updated (except for the "pluses", which are awaiting LO 5.4.4).
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec 2017, 16:04    Post subject:  

I have downloaded some you tube videos as mp4 files using youtube-dl. They play using lupusuper2-5.2.8.7-k3.2.48-20161228 but they don't play on lupusuper2-5.2.8.7-k3.2.48-20171110 or lupusuper1-5.2.8.7-k3.0.25-20171125.
I assume this might be something to do with the updates unless I am missing something. They also play on presice 5.7.1 and racy 5.5. I did try installing vlc 1.1.10. to lupusuper2-5.2.8.7-k3.2.48-20171110 but they did not play on vlc either. The videos were downloaded in the last week so not something I've had on my drive for a long time. I'd be grateful for any help.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 08:29    Post subject: method of updating to Nov., 2017 - Final  

I am currently using lupu3hd-5.2.8.7-20161228.

I would like to update this to the latest version - lupu3hd-5.2.8.7-20171125.

What is the easiest and fastest way to do this update. Previously I would do a new installation of the update; which seemed to be a waste of time.

What do you recommend?

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 10:48    Post subject: Updating  

Hi don922,

This should but may not work. But it's reasonably fast. And this procedure enables recovery if there's a problem.

1. Make a copy of your SaveFile. Change its name to reflect the current date.
2. Boot Puppy using it.
3. Open your web-browser to http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=974045#974045 which shows rerwin's upgrades.
4. You can safely ignore any "builtins". But the files in your SaveFile would have priority over packages rerwin included in the XXX_SFS*. Open Puppy Package Manager and uninstall any application you installed which may conflict with those changes: the same or older. SAVE the changes.
5. Boot into either a different Puppy or your Puppy with pfix=ram -- that is without using your SaveFile.
6. Mount the lupu3hd-5.2.8.7-20171125.ISO.
7. Optional (but safer) . Move the old initrd.gz, vmlinuz and XXX.sfs files into a folder where it won't be picked up by your boot loader.
8. Substitute the new Initrd.gz, vmlinuz and XXX_.sfs for the old ones.
9. Boot your upgraded Puppy.
10. If all is well, delete your old SFS and old Initrd.gz, vmlinuz and XXX_.sfs,

mikesLr

* I don't have a copy of the lupu3hd.iso. But there generally are three essential files within the ISO: initrd.gz, vmlinuz and a file ending in SFS which has a name --such as sulu or lupu-- and sometimes a number.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 14:48    Post subject:  

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4. You can safely ignore any "builtins". But the files in your SaveFile would have priority over packages rerwin included in the XXX_SFS*. Open Puppy Package Manager and uninstall any application you installed which may conflict with those changes: the same or older.

This may be more than is necessary. The remaster_package_check window that pops up on first bootup with a new release should handle most of the conflicts. It should catch conflicting packages and offer to uninstall them, one by one. Then it offers to remove duplicate files, which are created by uninstalling. Then it presents files that may conflict, but any in the root and etc directories may be your customized settings that should be retained. Assess each individually.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 16:05    Post subject:  

Hi rerwin,

Having had to replace my computer about a year ago for a newer, more powerful model, I haven't kept track of Lucid for a while. Forgot about your how thorough you are.

I hope, as this will be your last version of Lucid Sad , that you plan to apply your abilities and dedication to user friendliness to some other project.

Thanks for keeping Lucid viable for as long as possible.

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 17:57    Post subject:  

mikeslr,
Thank you for your compliment. I expect to migrate to xenialpup and to support woofCE as appropriate. And I am considering adapting the latest frisbee for the "dogs" since theirs is way out of date. I am open to requests where there is a need.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 20:15    Post subject:  

would be nice to take fresh look jemimah's puppeee

I know it was machine specific but it was a marvel, it's functionality and content, awesome

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec 2017, 21:12    Post subject:  

I will miss Lucid......thanks for all the work on it. My entire journey into the world of Puppy Linux really got going with Lucid 5.2 and I just had to use the latest version of 5.2.8.7 on a machine that really had some time under the belt and Lucid found the ethernet card and the 56k fax modem which Tahr and Xenial don't have the drivers for.

I will have quite a few ISO and CD's saved just in case........
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