Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 4576 Location: New Zealand

***EDIT : pay particular attention to upgrading openssl and also bash to get around heartbleed and shellshock issues which cause risk to servers***

Sometime during this upcoming year I hope to build a puppy based webserver that will run 24hrs a day and which will need to use the LEAST POSSIBLE POWER CONSUMPTION as I will be driving it with solar panels and a small battery bank

This webserver will probably not be used for downloading of large files, it is more likely to be used to serve up a few "online business cards" - ie: pages that offer information regarding contact info for specific small businesses, but without any ecommerce or other fancies. Really basic.

I am looking for suggestions regarding the following:

1) Which lowpower hardware is guaranteed to run the necessary software? eg: the Raspberry Pi seems like an obvious choice, but I don't know if the initial bugs been sorted out enough for such a project? Are the Raspberry Pi power instabilities now sorted? Which puppy would be recommended for the Pi as a webserver?

2) Are there other types of hardware that are not generally suitable for use with puppy, but which would do a better job for this project? (I've seen some usb sticklike TV plugins that are Android I think). Do they work? Could they be converted to puppy?

3) Which hardware will run 'headless'? Can any server be used in a headless mode or do I need to plan for a specialist cli-only pup?

4) Will the hardware be capable of self-booting if my batteries go flat and come back up to running voltage some hours or days later. I can handle the battery side of things but not so sure about what hardware has the ability to selfstart without human interaction.

5) What protocols do I need to use?

6) Could I remotely program / load / configure such hardware? (I know I can load a puppy using PXE viia a crossover network cable from a running puppy, but can this be done over the internet?)

Probably the webserver side of this project is relatively straightforward but I am still keen to hear from anyone who has actually done something similar or who can help me weigh up the merits of the various methods.

Even if you don't have time to offer comments I am keen for any relevant links to be posted here for future reference.

Thanks!

I have found some links for starters:

***EDIT : pay particular attention to upgrading openssl and also bash to get around heartbleed and shellshock issues which cause risk to servers***

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Hiawatha
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37109
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60681
http://www.pcguide.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-76237.html

Other links for reference/review

Webserverpuppy threads:
http://208.109.22.214/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=80474&sid=94dc3487dce5b656b268a2ede234d88d
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43285
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?P=145492c25b1ed048a24d526b2e5501f5&topic=369462.0
http://412collection.co.uk/b-bones.php (has download links for two versions of Webserverpuppy at very bottom of page)

xrdp info (might be useful for remote connection/control):
http://www.xrdp.org/

Hiawatha:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HiawathaServerMySQL
http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90470 Hiawatha and Precise

Joomla?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43285&start=128

Hardware possibilities:
- Mini-itx etc:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=505670#505670
- Raspberry Pi?
- ARM based tablet?
- Odroid?? http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php

My current preferences:
Hardware: - Raspberry Pi (Model B)
OS: -
Special software: -
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amigo · Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2588

Why not use a real server distro instead of trying to mold puppy into something it is definitely not meant to be?

ally · Joined: 19 May 2012 Posts: 1443 Location: lincoln, uk

raspberry pi webserver, low power.....just a thought....

http://raspberrywebserver.com/

Smile

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11071

Agreed...hacking puppy into a headless webserver can be frustrating and ultimately disappointing. Removing the X modules from slax, adding a lammp stack would give a better result and that's only a half silly suggestion.

As for starting up from a power loss I think I have only seen that as a bios option which logically it would be. Wake from LAN might be useable too.

Interesting link on the pi

mike

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

oddly my mele1000a will restart after power failure. also will run Play videos from HD For 19 plus hours off phone charger. and run a version of Fatdog perfectly. I have it wired for a wheel chair battery via phone charger and with my two solar cells (250w total, when CLEANED) run every thing.
I ve been running with solar for.sometime in my RV Stay away from glass solar panels. LOST ALL BUT ONE do to breakage. Now only buy the flexible ones that roll up and can be stored in the under bed. The roll up ones are made with a tar backing for metal roofs. But have a backing paper that I left on. so far it was dropped of truck before delivery. horrible road rash and enbedded rocks from pavement but still works.Had a calf walk on it and lick it hoof prints are pressed in the plastic like surface but no damage also use a shunt type solar controller and never use a pwm if you want to run equipment while its charging.

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11071

Flexible solar cellss... they sound handy Smile

One other power option is those 12v to ATX converters.... efficient small and cheap (ebay) and might be useful combined with a low power ITX board...not as low as a Pi but still only a few watts here and there especially if idling and not running high level graphics.

Otherwise parhaps a netbook with the screen disabled (or broken from ebay).... ready for 12v and low power again.

mike

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

flexible.rollup.solar.are made.for.metal.roofs and are just slighty more expensive than the smaller much less wattage rollup solar panels used for.camping. just fyi.

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/easy-solar-power.aspx

here is an example.of.what.I use. looks like the exact ones based on the connectors seen.

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

if you have enough solar to run in series to around 220Vs you can run DIRECTLY from VDc with a switching power supply in the 220v settings. ha ha never tested this in practice but its true according to the Internet Rolling Eyes

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 4576 Location: New Zealand

Thanks all for the comments. Very helpful.

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 4576 Location: New Zealand

Ted Dog · Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 4012 Location: Heart of Texas

most laptops can be told to turn off screen with a flag setting in /proc

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11071

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-DC-DC-ATX-PC-Power-Supplies-ATOM-HTPC-ITX-PC-mini-pico-mico-ATX-PSU-supply-/261308078524?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item3cd72cd9bc
was referring to these things ~$20 and probably cheaper in the US

mike

greengeek · Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 4576 Location: New Zealand

Yes, thats the type of power adapter I've got. Cost me $50 in NZ a couple of years ago - just couldn't find a mini itx mobo for less than $100 and it seemed rather steep at that price so I went no further at the time.

[EDIT :] Just dragged out my previous attempt at a standalone solar powered PC. I seem to recall the main problems (other than the 4Amp draw of the screen...) were the mobo needed too much current and I couldn't find an easy way to make it self-boot after power loss.

Ted Dog - do you think all Mele's do what yours was doing with the auto reboot or did you have a special setup?