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#31 Post by musher0 »

Karl Godt wrote:
musher0 wrote:Hello, Mick and all.
The pupsave-creation bug has decided it was not done with me. (hehe) :roll:
@Mick: Which blkid version did you use ?
Edit, 14h10, my time:
For the time being, as a work-around, here are a couple of antidotes. Use
one OR the other. BFN.
musher0
Musher, please do not scatter your workarounds everywhere again.

You had said that it was solved because of blkid.

I was able to reproduce your bug slightly by playing with the code :
Image

We need you to run it in urxvt terminal an post the content of /tmp/schoices.txt in [ code ] tags .

Many thanks !
Hi, Karl.

No offense intended, but I spent enough time on this bug already.
Maybe you have too: it's up to you to decide that, of course.

You may recall that I reported this bug a few years ago. I suggested
then a workaround that worked -- perhaps by chance, but nevertheless
it worked.

This bug has been reported occasionally, as far back as mid-2008
(Puppy 4.0), AFAIK.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 47&t=30718

This time, with the input of developer Mick and others testers, I was
able to present a summary of 4 workarounds that will enable use of a
pupsave in slacko, pretty much no matter what hardware combination
the user has.

As I understand it with the info provided, this is a rare bug that occurs
occasionally on some older hardware combinations, whatever the Puppy.
And there are workarounds. So the problem has been greatly reduced,
IMO, almost to the point of being simply an annoyance.

From a project management point of view, it would make sense that
talent be better applied to a more common problem.

Again, no offense intended. But there are times when one has to accept
that being obstinate simply yields no results. That's where I'm at.

Respectfully,

musher0
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PS. Don't worry, I won't spread the workarounds further! :)
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#32 Post by Ted Dog »

go on and keep harping on petty quirks that need fixing. upload those bad boys code fixes to wolfce and let the rest of us cboose to include them. One great benefit of open woofce is some of this tiny pet peeves can finally be fixed. Mine are the multisession bug AND mouse freeze on non racy or wary builds.
do not let the rising dictators of the code base force you into silence. Im fighting this mindset from the get-go. And be rude, they are! how dare they force their will on a open source project!!!
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#33 Post by playdayz »

There is a kernel module driver named alx.ko. It is for Atheros AL8162 Fast Ethernet. The ethernet port doesn't work without it. I need it, but more important I think it is becoming "popular." As I recall Ubuntu left it out of maybe 12.10 (not sure which version) and heard a lot about it.

On the lighter side: I found out this morning that the warning about putting a pupsave on an ntfs disk should be taken seriously :oops: And, oh yeah, the ntfs disk is an SSD which should not be defragmented. As 01micko has said, I am also struggling with how to run Puppy on new laptops and Windows 8 computers. When Windows 7 boots in 15 seconds (!) everything else seems quite slow. A fast usb 3 flash drive would be a solution, but evidently many computers won't boot reliably from usb 3 (including mine). Resizing the existing hard drive caused Windows copy protection to go off. My solution will likely be to replace the dvd drive with a second ssd but I know that is not really feasible in most cases.
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pae?Fixed

#34 Post by Deacon »

I'm new at testing puppy and virtualization (I installed VB yesterday and still learning how it works).

I get to the intro screen but then it says my CPU doesn't have pae installed. Does this mean (a) I need to check off some kind of compatibility in VB or (b) that I need a delta? (I don't even know how the deltas work so, keep in mind, kind of new at this. Never tested an Alpha Puppy before.)

Or should I wait till I have another flash card handy?

EDIT: I found the PAE option in VB, sorry., trying to get it to work

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#35 Post by SFR »

SFR wrote:Just for the record: it turned out that the case of "always max quality" is strictly connected to rtl8192se/rtlwifi driver (my Toshiba's wireless card).
Got ya! :twisted:

http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-wire ... 14353.html

I _knew_ the problem was with this specific file, but had no idea what to do with it!

@Mick: I'd be grateful if the patched version would be included in the next version. :)

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#36 Post by 01micko »

@playdayz

ALX is already in my kernel config for the next, I will have to have a look at your video driver issue.

@SFR

I see it is only a very small patch so I'll check the change log for the next kernel and see if it is fixed or else apply the patch.
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#37 Post by SFR »

01micko wrote:@SFR

I see it is only a very small patch so I'll check the change log for the next kernel and see if it is fixed or else apply the patch.
Ok, thanks!
BTW, I just noticed that there are two more patches, also for rtl8192cu and rtl8192de.

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#38 Post by Ted Dog »

playdayz wrote:There is a kernel module driver named alx.ko. It is for Atheros AL8162 Fast Ethernet. The ethernet port doesn't work without it. I need it, but more important I think it is becoming "popular." As I recall Ubuntu left it out of maybe 12.10 (not sure which version) and heard a lot about it.

On the lighter side: I found out this morning that the warning about putting a pupsave on an ntfs disk should be taken seriously :oops: And, oh yeah, the ntfs disk is an SSD which should not be defragmented. As 01micko has said, I am also struggling with how to run Puppy on new laptops and Windows 8 computers. When Windows 7 boots in 15 seconds (!) everything else seems quite slow. A fast usb 3 flash drive would be a solution, but evidently many computers won't boot reliably from usb 3 (including mine). Resizing the existing hard drive caused Windows copy protection to go off. My solution will likely be to replace the dvd drive with a second ssd but I know that is not really feasible in most cases.
I notice the boot issues with usb3 as well. Tried a external bluray with Usb3 and it was very unreliable. something about the power not being on at port early in the boot process. Also, im working on different methods for flash and win8 boot. Seems like it would be possible to not have a boot record needed if the flashdrive was preformated fat32 if the efi. boot file is in the root directory of vfat. Will be testing that idea later.

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#39 Post by oldyeller »

Hi Mick,

Video-Info 1.5.1 - Fri 29 Nov 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.6.3 - Linux 3.10.19 i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
oem: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(r) 82945GM Chipset Family Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1280x800 pixels (338x211 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Everything is working ok on this Dell D430

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#40 Post by Billtoo »

Manual frugal install to a 32gb MicroSD card, computer is an AAO
721-3801 netbook.
video-info-glx 1.5.1 Fri 29 Nov 2013 on Slacko Puppy 5.6.3 Linux 3.10.19 i686
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS880M 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1024x600 pixels (270x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: X.Org
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4

AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo K125 Processor
Core 0: @1700 MHz

Memory 1812MB (113MB used)
Network controller Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)

I tried to compile the proprietary driver for the graphics card but it
failed, couldn't view the log because I had to hold the power button
down to turn of the computer and the log file was not created/lost.

I think the proprietary driver would make this netbook run a little
cooler.

That's it so far.

EDIT:
I tried again and managed to get the log file this time by booting
into precise retro and loading the slacko savefile, then copied the
log from /usr/share/ati
The slacko savefile is euchred so I had to restore the backup save
file.
While in precise which is using the fglrx driver I took a screenshot
of the hardinfo sensors.
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#41 Post by Karl Godt »

Pretty normal temperature. For Netbooks.
Atom cores run 55-60°C at the moment in cold northern hemi November .
Summer 65-70°C is normal for me .
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#42 Post by James C »

Removed 1 Gb of ram from this old box and then upgraded from 5.6.1 to 5.6.3. Other than the expected icon fun there were no real problems. Looking pretty solid.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Slacko Puppy, version 5.6.3

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse record

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
378 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.393 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.169 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.143 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.141 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.147 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.141 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1544MB (312MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Slacko Puppy - 5.6.3
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 29 Nov 2013 11:32:49 PM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 865G x86/MMX/SSE2
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
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#43 Post by musher0 »

@Karl_Godt:
Following your advice, I have gathered all solutions and comments on the
pupsave-creation bug in its own thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... t=lastpost

Hopefully, this will improve the focus of both threads.

Best regards.

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#44 Post by musher0 »

Ted Dog wrote:go on and keep harping on petty quirks that need fixing. upload those bad boys code fixes to wolfce and let the rest of us cboose to include them. One great benefit of open woofce is some of this tiny pet peeves can finally be fixed. Mine are the multisession bug AND mouse freeze on non racy or wary builds.
do not let the rising dictators of the code base force you into silence. Im fighting this mindset from the get-go. And be rude, they are! how dare they force their will on a open source project!!!
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Hello, TedDog.

English is not my mother-tongue. I'm relatively at ease with "official"
English, but I easily get lost in "colloquial" English. So I'm not sure who
you are mocking: me, perhaps? :shock: :)

I'll only add that, rare as it may appear to be, failure to create the 2nd
most important file in a Puppy system is hardly a "tiny problem" for the
user. It prevents him/her to use that Puppy in any meaningful way.

Best regards.

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#45 Post by 01micko »

Let it be known musher0, that slacko-5.7 will NOT be released with that bug.

Karl is working on it, me too when I get the time. I don't think Ted Dog meant anything too serious, possibly aimed as much at me (& company) as you.. :lol:

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#46 Post by Ted Dog »

musher0 wrote:
Ted Dog wrote:go on and keep harping on petty quirks that need fixing. upload those bad boys code fixes to wolfce and let the rest of us cboose to include them. One great benefit of open woofce is some of this tiny pet peeves can finally be fixed. Mine are the multisession bug AND mouse freeze on non racy or wary builds.
do not let the rising dictators of the code base force you into silence. Im fighting this mindset from the get-go. And be rude, they are! how dare they force their will on a open source project!!!
:twisted:
Hello, TedDog.

English is not my mother-tongue. I'm relatively at ease with "official"
English, but I easily get lost in "colloquial" English. So I'm not sure who
you are mocking: me, perhaps? :shock: :)

I'll only add that, rare as it may appear to be, failure to create the 2nd
most important file in a Puppy system is hardly a "tiny problem" for the
user. It prevents him/her to use that Puppy in any meaningful way.

Best regards.

musher0
Musher sorry english is not my native tougue either And Im not sure what is my mother tougue. I was raised in Berlin by American parents, for my own protection raised by german nanny/body guard, my family was trailed by East German spys ( one of which tried to defect to my dad ) went to school with other kids with high profile parents my best friend was the french diplomats son. My parents spoke many languages at home and at state dinners and school was the same English, Spanish, German ( most common) and French. I was taught official English by British specialists of standard English. And if I was not returned from being kidnapped by the East German Spys I'd be posting this in Russian!

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#47 Post by Ted Dog »

Musher0 I was supporting you. I have problems that have been solved by me for my setups that never made it into offical puppy as fixes.

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#48 Post by Billtoo »

@01micko
I made a pet of the Ratpoison window manager to use in this alpha version of
slacko.
I think that it works very well on the 11.6" screen of this netbook in
combination with the trackpad or mouse.

CTRL-t ? brings up a screen showing the key bindings
CTRL-t ! firefox ....starts firefox
CTRL-t ! osmo ....starts osmo
etc
etc
I also have PupShutdown installed (CTRL-t ! PupShutdown) which makes
it easy to turn off the computer or logout to the prompt and restart
jwm if need be.

Here it is if you'd like to take it for a spin.
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#49 Post by Iguleder »

Ratpoison is awesome - make sure you patch it, so ^T-q works.

IMHO, a Slacko Ratpoison remix for power users could be nice :idea:
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#50 Post by wanderer »

hi iguleder

is this latest slacko from woof ce
the one you intend to use as a base
for the community edition

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