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PostPosted: Tue 17 Dec 2013, 23:38    Post_subject:  

To put this back on track, I want to comment as someone who has been on the receiving end of hardware donations by some generous forum members (=which is the initial idea of this thread).

I can tell you that it motivates me, but more importantly, it helps me to troubleshoot problems with that hardware, and enables me to provide better support for it - support that otherwise wouldn't be possible.

I am not the only one - there are others too (Barry himself included, I think). So yes, the idea *does* work.

That being said, I thought gcmartin was the one to do the fundraising, and I remember he has agreed to do it? Whatever comes out of it? Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013, 00:48    Post_subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
...That being said, I thought gcmartin was the one to do the fundraising, and I remember he has agreed to do it? Whatever comes out of it? Wink
REread the thread. I agreed to help. In fact, I will help you or anyone on this. What can we do together to get this off the ground?

PM me with your ideas to start.

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We need a business oriented person to set up some affiliate programs which I(we) could integrate into a new web desktop. Someone who can communicate with search engines, content providers and retailers to get a percentage of referrals. For that to happen the Puppy Linux Foundation would need to be formalized (with real virtual meetings and everything) and a person(s) authorized with a really cool sounding title that will (maybe) help their career.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013, 03:02    Post_subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
jamesbond wrote:
...That being said, I thought gcmartin was the one to do the fundraising, and I remember he has agreed to do it? Whatever comes out of it? Wink
REread the thread. I agreed to help. In fact, I will help you or anyone on this. What can we do together to get this off the ground?

PM me with your ideas to start.

I already said what I'm gonna do: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=735464#735464

EDITED to simplify the reply.

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PostPosted: Wed 18 Dec 2013, 12:46    Post_subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
I can tell you that it motivates me, but more importantly, it helps me to troubleshoot problems with that hardware, and enables me to provide better support for it - support that otherwise wouldn't be possible.

I am not the only one - there are others too (Barry himself included, I think). So yes, the idea *does* work.
If such support came in the form of a 'piece of donated hardware' do you think this would benefit Puppy progress, or would such a piece of hardware be too out-ofdate as soon as it was available?

If there is benefit in this idea can you suggest some of the specs or features of the hardware that would enable developmental progress?
eg Making Puppy handle usb 3 - or has that already been solved?
Large RAM sizes - or is that issue sorted?
Recent wifi interfaces - or are they just too varied?
Recent video cards - or are they also just too varied?

Or would the value simply be in the fact that the hardware was powerful enough to crunch the numbers for faster compile times etc?
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Dec 2013, 05:10    Post_subject:  

greengeek wrote:
If such support came in the form of a 'piece of donated hardware' do you think this would benefit Puppy progress,
Yes, it definitely will.

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or would such a piece of hardware be too out-ofdate as soon as it was available?
All things become obsolete sooner or later. But isn't it puppy's objective to breathe life a bit longer for them? Wink

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If there is benefit in this idea can you suggest some of the specs or features of the hardware that would enable developmental progress?

I can't, because the answer is "it depends". If you donate 86duino board then perhaps Puppy can be made to run on that board (with difficulty Laughing ). If you donate quad-core Core i7 with dual graphics and usb3 perhaps you can get puppy to run on it. The point is, the hardware can be used for many things:
- test/troubleshooting platforms
- build/compile platforms
- etc.

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eg Making Puppy handle usb 3 - or has that already been solved?
usb3 is handled at kernel. Once the kernel supports usb3 then as long as puppy use that new kernel, usb3 is automatically handled.

A better example probably is bluetooth. Bluetooth support needs both *kernel* and *userspace* support. The kernel part is easy, the userspace one - not so.

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Large RAM sizes - or is that issue sorted?
Large ram is solved by using PAE kernel or 64-bit kernel. Large RAM however helps to make build/compile process faster (a lot faster).

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Recent wifi interfaces - or are they just too varied?
They are too varied. For challenge, try to get one with broadcom wifi - but don't cry it you can't get it to work.

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Recent video cards - or are they also just too varied?
Too varied. The most important thing nowadays seems to be "dual-graphics", and this, like bluetooth, requires both kernel and userspace support, so it is challenging.

Of course, when speaking about video, it depends, one can try to install multiple video cards and trying to get all of them display at the same time; and/or making a giant screen composed of multiple outputs ... the point is - what is it do you want puppy to support?

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Or would the value simply be in the fact that the hardware was powerful enough to crunch the numbers for faster compile times etc?
Yes, it is one of the things that helps.

The conclusion is: give the hardware according to the objective to be achieved. If you want puppy to run on certain hardware / new hardware, then give that. If you want puppy to run on obscure hardware, then give that. If you want to ease the burden of compiling, then give that. Sometimes you can achieve multiple goals within the same hardware.

Or, it can be given as $$ to free someone's time to do full-time development (like what Barry does), say for 3 months or for a year. Of course, before this happens, there must be objective measurable milestones to make sure it isn't abused. "Linux Foundation" originally existed to free Linus' time so that he can focus on Linux and nothing else. It works. (In fact it worked too well that now it can pay not only Linus but many others too). That being said, this may be too ambitious for this community Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Dec 2013, 14:52    Post_subject:  

This link about totally 'free' and unrestricted hardware is interesting:
https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom
(free as in the user gets to do what they want - not as in 'without cost')

Mentioned by Antipodal in this puppy security thread here

Apparently the gluglug PCs use 'coreboot' which is a bios replacement that can ignore or support UEFI - whichever is desired. coreboot info here
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