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L18L

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 09:19    Post_subject: My report on Quirky 6.1
Sub_title: internationalization
 

New install on 8GiB USB stick method D

This time I have taken a snapshot before trying to solve the gettext problem.

Simple solution: Installation of gettext-0.18.3.1.tar.bz2 from http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/quirky/quirky6/x86/packages/t2/quirky6/

Translated snapshot-manager using Forked Fast MoManager

Doing a translation is very good for understanding new software....
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timothyli

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Location: Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 11:06    Post_subject:  

timothyli wrote:
Quirky 6.1 runs great on my Sony 16GB USB 3.0 Micro Vault stick on a Lenovo X201 i5 with 4GB of RAM Smile However, if I use a cheap no name USB stick, it is a bit laggy, which is expected.


I've been playing around with Quirky 6.1 a lot these days, experimenting with different size USB sticks/SD cards lying around in the house. I found that Quirky6 is usable only with a speedy USB stick or HD. With slow USB sticks, the best overall user experience is running Precise 5.7.1 loaded entirely into RAM (pfix=ram). I remastered a puppy_precise_5.7.1.sfs to include the apps I often use (like Chrome browser, freeoffice) along with all the settings, fonts etc., modify the /usr/sbin/delayedrun script to suppress the first-time popup, write my zoneinfo (America/Toronto) into the /etc/localtime, so that I can boot to a speedy, fully functional, ready-to-use desktop without interruption. Yes, the boot up time is longer than Quirky6's, but once it's up, it remains speedy throughout because everything is in RAM. The speed of the USB stick becomes irrelevant. I can even unplug the USB stick. I work off the cloud (Google Drive) so I rarely need to save stuff back to my local drive. This seems to be the best setup for my use case.

I love the idea of Quirky6 but I wonder what else can be done to improve the performance on slow USB sticks. I tried moving /root/.cache to /tmp but it just helped a little.
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jrb


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Location: Smithers, BC, Canada

PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 12:03    Post_subject:  

Running Q6.1 in harddrive partition quite nicely.

-Computer-
Processor : 2x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
Memory : 2064MB (45MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Quirky - 6.1
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 03 Jan 2014 08:10:12 AM PST
-Display-
Resolution : 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel

-Printers (CUPS)-
Brother_HL-1435_series : <i>Default</i>
CUPS-PDF
-SCSI Disks-
ATA WDC WD1600BEVT-2
ST2000DL 003-9VT166

Has anyone else reported epdfview not printing? Abiword, Seamonkey, geany all print well. Epdfview shows the print dialog box and the proper printer but the print job just disappears. It doesn't show up in the Cups Job list. Confused

Other than that working well so far. Thanks BK
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mareg

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 14:23    Post_subject: My report on Quirky 6.1  

I have installed Quirky 6.1 to a harddrive of my 9-year old PC (Intel Celeron 2,7 ATI Radeon 9200SE, 1 G RAM).
On other partition of this PC I have 5 different Puppys installed frugal in folders (Precise 5.6., Dpup Wheezy 3.5.2,5. X-Precise 5.7.1, Ovprecise 5.8, Raring 3.9.9.2 )
First impression - Q 6.1 is quick
Boot time - 28 sec against 50-55 for frugal (OK not loading to RAM)
Seamonkey starts in 5 sec against 9-10 for frugal (this is suprise)
I installed some applications:
- does not work;
GoogleChrome 31.0.1650.57
LibreOffice 4.1.4 (made by ASRI) - nothing in menu, cannot find it
LibreOffice 3.5.2 (posted by vicmz) - was in menu but did not start
- works:
hpliplite 3.11.1 - configured my HP Deskjet 2280F (printing and scanning works)
jre-1.7u45i586 (by Bruno from ASRI)
qtweb-3.8.4.1-x86
slimboat-1.1.44
sfs_load-1.9.6-2 (by Shinobar). Using it I loaded/installed LibreOffice-3.6.3-en SFS. It appeared in menu and worked (writing, opening pps files) as in my frugal Puppies
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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 19:30    Post_subject: Quirky 6.1 and Issue with Q-Wallpaper
Sub_title: Quirky 6.1 and Issue with Q-Wallpaper
 

Quirky 6.1 is still fast but to me it seems noticeably slower than 5.99. Still receiving a "Somewhat fault with ffmpeg." The program is asking me to ensure ffmpeg is properly installed. Installed the Opera pet 12.16.1860-i386. Works like a charm. Still receiving the pop-up from Seamonkey "Starting for the very first time" everytime I start. I note there was a fix on one of the boards but I have not applied it, yet. The Opera seems jet-fast so while it's obviously a matter of preference, it's my preferred choice on Quirky (for now).

I installed the Q-Wallpaper in UPUP Precise 3.8.2 (one of my fav Puppies) without any installation problem. However, upon using it appears the program is looking for wallpapers in usr/share/backgrounds/125, while UPUP Precise has the backgrounds in usr/share/backgrounds. I just dragged them into the 125 directory instead of programming it out but just a heads up that it's an issue.

Kind regards and Happy New Year!

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slenkar

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jan 2014, 19:52    Post_subject:  

has anyone gotten a chrome based browser working with this?
I need it for the fast javascript engine

I also need libqt
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BarryK
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Location: Perth, Western Australia

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 03:44    Post_subject: Re: My report on Quirky 6.1
Sub_title: internationalization
 

L18L wrote:
New install on 8GiB USB stick method D

This time I have taken a snapshot before trying to solve the gettext problem.

Simple solution: Installation of gettext-0.18.3.1.tar.bz2 from http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/quirky/quirky6/x86/packages/t2/quirky6/

Translated snapshot-manager using Forked Fast MoManager

Doing a translation is very good for understanding new software....


Ah, yes, I had recompiled the 'gettext' utility statically with dietlibc, as it has to be used from ramdisk at bootup, and there is a situation where libc.so* might not work.

Anyway, was unable to compile it, until I did "--disable-nls", which, it turns out, was not a very bright idea.

I have now compiled it statically with uclibc, in aboriginal linux. It now has nls support, so should be ok.

Yes, I will put your latest momanager pet into quirky 6.1.1.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 03:47    Post_subject: Re: removing packages  

mavrothal wrote:
The new installpkg.sh is generating the /audit/${DLPKG_MAIN}DEPOSED.sfs. However, the removepreview.sh is looking for the /audit/${DB_pkgname}DEPOSED.sfs.
These two may or may not be the same particularly if the original package has additional parameters after the version (i486 etc).
The discrepancy is more apparent in slackware packages.
It is probably safer to look for the full-package-name-DEPOSED instead.


Thanks for pointing out the potential problem. I have fixed it.

The fix is in installpkg.sh, which also needed more fixes in the file-copying-correction code.

Also, the snapshot-manager needed fixes for its file-copying-correction code.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 03:55    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Re my 6.1 restoration problem
 

Jasper wrote:
My successful restores seemed to restore to the state immediately before the backup and it seemed that the backup image was lost as the backup gui reported “no backup taken”.


I have changed it so that if you recover from a snapshot, and that is the only snapshot left in /audit/snapshot, it doesn't get deleted.

The problem was, if you took just one snapshot, then later you did a recovery, that snapshot got deleted. But, it would be better to keep it, for future use.

I have discovered some issues with the snapshot/recovery, that I suspect are due to the old version of 'mksquashfs' -- that is version 4.2, dated sometime in 2011, and is the latest official release.

I suspect that it is not quite compatible with the squashfs driver in the 3.12.x kernel. Then I discovered squashfs-tools in git has had a huge number of improvements since 2011. So, I have now compiled the latest from git.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 03:59    Post_subject: Re: Missing 'misc' folder - OK in ext2 partition & 4gb usb stick  

ozsouth wrote:
Quote:
(BK) .... fixed in 6.0.1. Now the bug has come back!

I investigated, and was astonished that an entire directory is missing, /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/misc

...'fonts' has somehow turned into a symlink, with nothing in it.


Q61 install to ext2 partition has the complete 'misc' folder.
Ditto an install to 4gb usb stick with f2fs. Could it be the 8gb image?


Yeah, I found the cause. I was blaming 'cp', but it wasn't that. Billtoo and I had done one thing in common, installed the 'devx' PET -- that is what destroyed the 'misc' directory.

Which set me off on the path, how a package can do that, and I have put a fix into /usr/local/petget/installpkg.sh

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 04:07    Post_subject: Re: iso file option
Sub_title: location
 

adi wrote:
at the end of the installation process there is an option to save the iso file for future use. where is the file located? if it doesn't exists how can i make another one after install.


You ran 'install-quirky-to-drive.sh'?

In a ROX-Filer window, you press the ` (backtick) key, or right-click and choose "Window -> Terminal here".
Then you execute the script:

# sh ./install-quirky-to-drive.sh

After the drive has been written-to, the script will ask if you want to create an image-file of the drive, and if you accept, then it will create the image in the same folder as the script.

It will be named 'quirky-6.1-<SIZE>gb.img.xz', where SIZE will be whatever your drive is, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc.

It is not an "iso" file, it is a Flash drive image file (compressed).

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Max Headroom


Joined: 28 Jun 2006
Posts: 187
Location: GodZone Kiwi

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 05:30    Post_subject: Wireless Not working on HP Compaq NC6400 Laptop
Sub_title: Works w/ Slacko, PupLite 5 & Windows etc
 

Booting from USB Flash Dr ( installed using Method D img after attempting in vain Method A ) as it's Loading the the Blue Wireless LED is On 'til Loading Ke*nel Modules Appear then the Wireless LED goes Off

I've Tried Manually Loading iwl3945 & the Windows NDISwRapper ( This is an intel ( R ) Pro / Wireless 3945ABG Chip ), But No go

The Puppy Network Wizard Windows says Error!

Failed to raise interface wlan0
Failed Command was: ifconfig wlan0 up
Error Returned was:
ifconfig: SIOCSIFFLAGS: UnkNown Error 132

Then When I Shutdown or Restart Quirky the Blue Wireless LED comes back on !?!

Of Course I've Already Searched the Forum for the answer, But Surprisingly I think I'm Unique 2 this Bug!

Otherwise the Speed is impressive

Thanx Barry K

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L18L

Joined: 19 Jun 2010
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Location: www.eussenheim.de/

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 05:49    Post_subject: Re: momanager
Sub_title: quirky or puppy
 

BarryK wrote:
Yes, I will put your latest momanager pet into quirky 6.1.1.

Glad to read that.
Thus the momanger will no more be a forked one.

Let me change the title and some other minor things before you put it into quirky.

Quirky is not Puppy (welcome1stboot, .....). I could also change momanager to create langpackQuirky_ as addition to puppy langpack (same already done for Fatdog).

Another issue: translators do not like to load devx.
Just gettext package is enough. I could change these texts too.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 05:56    Post_subject: Ps Message from /var/log
Sub_title: Hope this Helps, Thanx
 

Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.810945] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.845496] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.845500] iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.warn kernel: [ 14.845553] iwl3945 0000:10:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.846780] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, device number 2
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.867843] tg3.c:v3.133 (Jul 29, 2013)
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.878240] sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.878243] sdhci: Copyright(c) Pierre Ossman
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.914399] iwl3945 0000:10:00.0: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 4 802.11a channels
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.info kernel: [ 14.914405] iwl3945 0000:10:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.debug kernel: [ 14.914907] iwl3945 0000:10:00.0: irq 45 for MSI/MSI-X
Jan 4 09:49:13 puppypc19635 kern.debug kernel: [ 14.926956] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs'
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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 06:25    Post_subject: My report on Quirky 6.0  

I compiled openbox 3.5.0 and lxpanel 0.6.1 + all the dependencies that
go with them.
I did it in Quirky 6.0.1 and it works in Quirky 6.1 as well.

Operating System Quirky - 6.1
Desktop Environment Unknown (Window Manager: Openbox)

It's working okay so far.
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