Install Puppy to USB without burning to CD first

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mikeb · #31 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 15:40

Thanks Mike, but Grub is way out of my league. No way I am I taking responsibility for screwing up someone's expensive Windows installation.

you would find it EASIER than syslinux.... and it was suggested for usb use.
You could just as easily screw a hard drive with syslinux...

perhaps you are thinking of grub2.....

mike

Burn_IT · #32 Post by **Burn_IT** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 16:42

I confess I copied the other Puppy files after rebooting in Linux - but AFAIK Windows can copy as well as Linux.

It can BUT

And it is a BIG BUT.

Windows does not distinguish between upper and lower case characters, but Linux DOES.
Windows will copy files OK, but will capitalize the NAMES of them. This means that when Puppy/Linux looks for a file with a lower case name, it cannot find it because the name is now upper case.

see: http://www.techsupportalert.com/content ... u-want.htm

mikeb · #33 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 19:27

And it is a BIG BUT.

who has a big butt?

NTFS is case sensitive apparently...just MS decided not to enable it to keep in the DOS way of doing things... bit crappy really and part of their 'Dumb It Down Badly ' approach to computing perhaps

Actually ISOmaster in puppy is badly broken when it comes to case handling...try editing a CD using grub4dos...it fails as half the resultant files magically become upper case DOS style !! Did bill G write this program? Also I assume why isolinux is still used as it does not care about case either...this is posix/linux we are using here right?

all fun and games

mike

Burn_IT · #34 Post by **Burn_IT** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 19:51

who has a big butt?

I do. I keep rainwater in it.

mikeb · #35 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 19:55

I got big butts and I cannot lie.....

I love them...they never fully emptied all year

Water is so precious that 99% of it goes down the drain

mike

rcrsn51 · #36 Post by **rcrsn51** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 20:04

mikeb wrote:Also I assume why isolinux is still used as it does not care about case either...this is posix/linux we are using here right?

?????

Puppy boot discs are traditionally made using "DOS" compatibility. Every disc contains a readme file that explains the reason.

But you can make a perfectly good boot disc using isolinux and "XP" compatibility where the files are named correctly in Windows.

Robin2 · #37 Post by **Robin2** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 21:20

mikeb wrote: You could just as easily screw a hard drive with syslinux...

perhaps you are thinking of grub2.....

mike

No, I was only thinking of USB sticks.

The point someone made about Windows potentially naming files incorrectly is something I had not thought of. But I suppose Puppy could choose file names with Windows-compatible file names.

...R

Burn_IT · #38 Post by **Burn_IT** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 22:58

Caps Lock.....

mikeb · #39 Post by **mikeb** » Fri 23 Jan 2015, 23:04

Well if a puppy iso is edited using ISOmaster it still will boot ok since isolinux ignores the case changes. I surmised since that application is normally included it may have some effect on the choice of boot loader.

If grub or grub4dos is used as the boot sector on the disk ISOmaster with cause boot failures.

Ok probably not the reason but it seems there were these linux tools that ignored or mishandled cases which means the long standing approach is sort of necessary.

Anyway Robin2..grub4dos makes a nice usb boot loader and is easy to implement... you might like it.

Mike

synchronous posting.... my toes lock if I self induce cramp...

Robin2 · #40 Post by **Robin2** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 10:27

[quote="mikeb"]Anyway Robin2..grub4dos makes a nice usb boot loader and is easy to implement... you might like it.[quote]

I will have a look at it.

(I wonder would a 55 year old Windows user be able to use it - the PC equivalent of the man on the Clapham Omnibus)

...R

mikeb · #41 Post by **mikeb** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 10:51

(I wonder would a 55 year old Windows user be able to use it - the PC equivalent of the man on the Clapham Omnibus)

just as easily as you have used syslinux.

By the way the puppy win32 installer built with the Nsis installer uses grub4dos...a nice forum project thats been running for some years and made many installs. You could probably make a bat file to do a simple version using these tools.....grub4dos plus 7zip for example.

mike

Burn_IT · #42 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 12:05

I wonder would a 55 year old Windows user be able to use it - the PC equivalent of the man on the Clapham Omnibus)

Yes he probably either wrote it or taught the person who did.
He is almost certainly more polite.

mikeb · #43 Post by **mikeb** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 12:09

And probably did several installs of windows 98 unassisted......

mike

Burn_IT · #44 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 14:03

Windows 3.0 more like........

In fact even I was computing 17 years before Windows came out.

mikeb · #45 Post by **mikeb** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 14:15

Got me there... computers were under the heading of 'of no interest ' until about 2001.........

Did have a bit of interest/play with the early home computers but IBM pc stuff took over and it was dull dull dull so left it at that.

Something throbbing between my legs was more fun....I mean bikes of course

mike

Burn_IT · #46 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 14:33

I had to do a holiday job to help pay my way to college.

It stood me in good stead as their biggest client gave me a permanent job when I finished my course.

College life puts the iron in your ... character.

Les Kerf · #47 Post by **Les Kerf** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 15:09

I am a 57 year old geezer-in-training who only started using computers regularly ~ five years ago. My earlier attempts with Windows were so unpleasant that I simply avoided all things computer.

I went back to college in 2010; I was then pretty much forced into the computer world, kicking and screaming all the way.

A professor and also a fellow student were Linux nuts; they got me started with Linux Mint. I later found Puppy Linux and have never looked back.

Grub4Dos is so very easy to use, even a simpleton such as I can use it with confidence.

Robin2 · #48 Post by **Robin2** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 15:16

Les Kerf wrote:Grub4Dos is so very easy to use, even a simpleton such as I can use it with confidence.

I must meet a better class of simpleton

I have just had a look at this Grub4Dos tutorial

It seems a little more complex than syslinux.exe -a -m F:

...R

mikeb · #49 Post by **mikeb** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 15:53

remember the command earlier well...

bootlace.com 0x80

add yer grldr file and a menu...done. Thats the syntax from windows/DOS 0x81 would be a second drive...probably would be the one for a usb stick.

Sorry but this simpleton who was a nooobie first class managed it years ago after getting a bit weary of booting with a CD...you also have the boot using windows bootloader options too but thats aimed at existing hard drives.

Thing is the tutorials for grub4dos are often far more complicated than the process really is...even their own README file is heavy going in translated english.

There was a great wiki which summed it up nicely but its lost it seems...these are not to bad though..
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/fil ... ll_dos.htm
http://staraphd.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/ ... ithin.html

Mike

Burn_IT · #50 Post by **Burn_IT** » Sat 24 Jan 2015, 15:56

It seems a little more complex than syslinux.exe -a -m F:

It is. That is because it can do a lot more.
That doesn't mean the command line HAS to be any more complex.

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