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How do we deploy an empty pupsave at 1st boot in frugal?
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musher0


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 11:12    Post_subject:  

Thanks gcmartin "from Earth" Smile for your comments. I grew up in the same
neighbourhood! Wink

As to Ted_Dog's save-session research, do you mean the one he's pursuing on the
new Quirky 6, here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=91216&start=30&sort=lastpost ?

Thanks in advance.

It would interesting indeed to see if the two approaches can be paired.

For now, though, I am looking for a sure-fire way to incorporate this new pupsave-
creation script in the simplest and most efficient manner possible for the user.

Early on, I swore that I'd never put a Puppy derivative together because there are
already too many, but now I'm at the point where maybe I'll have to, to test correct
incorporation of this script in Puppies generally. Chucks! (My medieval buddy
Ockham won't like it...) Rolling Eyes

BFN.

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 15:43    Post_subject:  

I think he was. But most of the idea to make compressed saved data and reload is taken from FATDOG64 since you do NOT need to use optical drives but anything usb hardrive etc.
I like the input you are getting on this thread and hope some of the brain trust hope over to my thread since while title describes the purpose of my thread the how and why methods does mirror this thread so I can see why gcmartin dropped the linkage..
We are both addressing the same type of problem and methods discussed would fix both.
I should have the new Fatdog64 630 rebuilt to support the speed issues used in its version of multisession. He has already added the flags and code to run full install directly in RAM. He did not go all the way as I suggested.
I will drop some code there and here so you can better follow how the ideas are nearly the same..
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 16:04    Post_subject:  

Yes i have had sfs saves that load into ram since puppy 2.12 so can verify this system works nicely (3 years is a good test) and to me suits the nature of the way puppy is structured. It does away with mode 13 which has problems of its own and save files in general and also for usb installs means the drive can be removed during running but still have the benefit of persistent storage.
The only alternative I find is using a save folder (mean all fits on one partition and can be shared with other frugals) which is good for heavier usage and/or when ram is limited though i do include swap space for tmpfs which does give more leg room.

Along with that and ability to load to ram and used large numbers of sfs files these are features which have been proved and would be nice to be available for a wider user base rather than having to use derivatives.

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 18:27    Post_subject:  

Ted Dog wrote:
I think he was. But most of the idea to make compressed saved data and reload is taken from FATDOG64 since you do NOT need to use optical drives but anything usb hardrive etc.
I like the input you are getting on this thread and hope some of the brain trust hope over to my thread since while title describes the purpose of my thread the how and why methods does mirror this thread so I can see why gcmartin dropped the linkage..
We are both addressing the same type of problem and methods discussed would fix both.
I should have the new Fatdog64 630 rebuilt to support the speed issues used in its version of multisession. He has already added the flags and code to run full install directly in RAM. He did not go all the way as I suggested.
I will drop some code there and here so you can better follow how the ideas are nearly the same..


Euh... who's this mysterious he, please?

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 19:16    Post_subject:  

he = gcmartin
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Feb 2014, 19:29    Post_subject:  

most of the intermediary work will be done in fatdog64. proof of concept demonstrated of technology etc.

but I plan to bootstrap the methodology and hopefully just build a general remaster of existing puppylinux spin to make it happen.

If it continues to evolve as its planned hopefully no new separate puppylinux spins would be required. I do not like to support another DINO (distinct in name only ) we have way too many already and its a problem for those new and old to puppy.

But it will be a significant change In storing speedup and saving puppylinux data. But if successful the puppylinux spin will never know any difference. IE Quirky6s will still be unmodified with a brief loader change and a way of saving backups that use the matching change in the preloader.
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bill

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 12:10    Post_subject: Is there a way to deploy a pupsave at first boot in frugal?  

Very interesting concept you are researching Ted Dog,another Texas home boy Smile I can well understand why you wish to " deploy a pupsave at first boot in frugal" as it could eliminate any confusion to a new user who burns a .ISO and it would be good to go on first boot.I am basically trying to do the same thing only adding a readme.txt file to be carried to a remastered "Custom Puppy" . I do know you can convert a "pupsave.2fs" to a "pupsave.sfs" using mksquashfs then remastering this .sfs to the Custom.iso but now how you get this pupsave.sfs to autoload I don't have a clue.If I come up with something I will post you.I'm looking Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 12:31    Post_subject:  

Some have used zdrv code to load an sfs of a save but I just modified the initrd ...in the former case its still remains a read only config.

I just have it loaded to the pup_rw

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 13:09    Post_subject:  

Hi, bill.

Hmm... Your understanding is different. I mean "deploy an empty pupsave file at first
boot." I believe you are talking about the regular Puppy process of loading an already
created pupsave file during the boot process.

As to loading any sfs file, in recent Puppies, there's a utility in the menu called "sfs-load-
on-the-fly" or similar title.

Not to mention the clever tricks resident magician mikeb always has up his sleeve! Smile

I guess I'll have to change the title. Sincere thanks for indirectly pointing it out and
making this thread more focused.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 13:38    Post_subject:  

ooops yes a little derailment but the topic does bring in quite a bit of related material.
I would stick with your original concept which is making things preconfigured in a user friendly way for save file users as its a good one.

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bill

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 14:15    Post_subject:  

Hi musher0and mikeb,Yes musher0 you have definitely zeroed in on my thinking,now whether or not I have hijacked Ted Dogs idea,I am not sure,i hope not.The only constant that I know of in Puppy is that there is many ways
to do things.What little I do in Puppy is simply with the help of other
posters who post some of the most interesting things.Speaking of which,the last way cool thing I DLed was posted by mohan34u "createsfs" Combining .pets/sfs here :http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1192233661&t=38432&sid=43e74199ed1f5410f8d78d079c58e28f

@mikeb ,I will not argue with your expertise but I must point out,if there isn't any "out of the box thinking" would we even enjoy BKs masterpieces ? just saying.cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 14:53    Post_subject:  

Quote:
@mikeb ,I will not argue with your expertise but I must point out,if there isn't any "out of the box thinking" would we even enjoy BKs masterpieces ? just saying.cheers


??

guess you didn't read my other post around here today....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=760141#760141

my pups are well out the box... a search party has been dispatched.

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bill

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 17:33    Post_subject: How do we deploy an empty pupsave at 1st boot in frugal?  

mikeb said:
Quote:
Let your imagination and creativity flourish rather than hanging onto someone elses..


Well said and read mikeb,Thanks for the update,I stand corrected Embarassed
cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 17:46    Post_subject:  

no problem..I was just a little confused Smile

ok back to business

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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Fri 21 Feb 2014, 19:55    Post_subject: Re: Is there a way to deploy a pupsave at first boot in frugal?  

bill wrote:
Very interesting concept you are researching Ted Dog,another Texas home boy Smile I can well understand why you wish to " deploy a pupsave at first boot in frugal" as it could eliminate any confusion to a new user who burns a .ISO and it would be good to go on first boot.I am basically trying to do the same thing only adding a readme.txt file to be carried to a remastered "Custom Puppy" . I do know you can convert a "pupsave.2fs" to a "pupsave.sfs" using mksquashfs then remastering this .sfs to the Custom.iso but now how you get this pupsave.sfs to autoload I don't have a clue.If I come up with something I will post you.I'm looking Rolling Eyes

It's a shame BK has left the building Crying or Very sad


@bill if you only knew how close you really are to ..... oh well just to say all that is already coded and tested and works great... Very Happy
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