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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 22:14    Post subject:  

Ted Dog wrote:
oh did you wish the current session was written to DVD and then later reloaded or does newer suspend start doing that now? I am confused. When I suspend it does not write to anything. Suspend to RAM is the default or it sbould be since we are running from RAM.

I'm running the DVD+RW on my desktop not a laptop and I don't want to leave it running 24 hours a day but instead have it suspend until I want to use it again.
I have another DVD+RW running on a laptop and suspend is working okay on that one.
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 23:28    Post subject:  

ok I see what you wish to do... interesting idea on non laptop but makes you wonder why they could or would be doing the same concept already. It actually makes better economic reasons to do this on everything regardless of form..
On a different persons thread he wanted a timed multisession shutdown like a sleep mode that shut itself down after running a slide show. Could be tbe same like a screen saver mode to force a session and then turn itself off.
But that would power machine off..
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Mar 2014, 23:47    Post subject:  

Also would be good to burn a session daily or on a schedule just incase of power failure. I sometimes forget to power down larger desktop unit for days. And its a business server type which will auto power up once a power problem is corrected. Also can be timed turned on which I never had a use for until your idea.
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 20:03    Post subject:  

Thanks @Billtoo for the laptop idea. I have not tried it yet but, this is very good news, indeed.

Also, the idea of a suspend-resume sequence that works similar to a laptop would have good basis because a PC always has power, thus, could go for a longer period in RAM suspend mode than an unpowered laptop would.

Hopefully an answer or an understanding will surface on this thread regarding this possibility.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Mar 2014, 22:27    Post subject: Bug? Deb packages install but won't uninstall  

deb packages install just like pets and show up in the list of installed packages. You can mark them and click uninstall, but the packages don't go away. I have tried this in 620 and 630.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 04:12    Post subject:  

Thanks to Kirk? James Bond Ted Dog and all of you
caring about FatDwayBut my brain due to easting habits
is too dense and confused. Keep it up fun to follow the progrss

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DrDeaf

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 13:38    Post subject:  

I have to say that I don't feel that spot (or not) is really a problem. I have never encountered anything that I could not fix by just changing what I am doing. Having a choice is nice.

When something just suddenly doesn't run though, it is more difficult. Here's an example...

I always boot my notebook off of USB one of two ways. One is to use Grub4Dos, and just choose the partition I want to boot. Never a problem with this, with any Pup I have tried. "It just works".

The second way is to install Easy2Boot and simply toss the freshly downloaded ISO to it and go! It doesn't get any cleaner than this.

A problem with Easy2Boot is that some Pups hang in the middle of bootup. LH64 does this ("LH64-602.sfs not found"). However, until 630, FD has always booted with Easy2Boot. Now with 630, it hangs a bit earlier than other Pups.

Using 630, Easy2Boot works as usual, copies to RAM and then hangs with this line: Booting the kernel.

What changed to cause this in 630? Can it be fixed?
Thanks in advance!
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kpfuser

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 16:33    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
The DVD boot problem
You MUST, at the boot-time menu select the option for multi-session. I have, in the past, found that for some odd reason when 620 emerge something began to work differently than earlier 600 did for Multisession. Dont remember what though, but I did insure thereafter to begin using multisession after the first boot.

Doesn't that work?.

It did work! After trying about 5 times in a row before it finally booted from the DVD (why the reluctance?), it booted OK copying the save files I had created a few days ago reproducing the system as per my modifications. Success, I should say, but based on what I have experienced so far, I cannot help it but recall one irrefutable law of Murphy's, i.e., "if you think that everything is going smoothly, you have obviously overlooked something." Will it be the case once again? Well, time will tell. Meanwhile, a big THANKS goes to gcmartin and all the others who helped with Ted Dog at the top of the list.
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 19:24    Post subject:  

Hi @DrDeaf.

I think both LIghthouse and FATDOG ISOs can be booted. but, to do so, could require a MNU file as describe in item 3 under "Introduction" section on here.

The contents for the BootManager that the paragraph references is similar/same an one that JamesBond provided for ISO booting earlier that I do not have a my fingertips right now. I also seem to remember that he may have made a FATDOG webpage to so such, too. In fact, over the years, I remember he has provide ISO boot instructions for 2 different Boot Managers with GRUB4DOS being just one of them.

Should do the trick. Post us should you have any success. I feel that E2B is a very good solution for both, boot, testing and running, of the various 64bit PUPs and other PUPs that are cropping up in the community.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Mar 2014, 23:14    Post subject: Bridging in FATDOG  

Hello FATDOG development

I, too, have need of bridge guidance for KVM use to allow a QEMU's VM guest(s) to access the LAN's DHCP host to acquire and directly access the LAN services directly thru one of the VM host's adapter.

Also, Kirk's "fix" to allow the system at initial boot to access and use the 2nd LAN adapter (as he had this working in prior FATDOGs) would also be helpful. If there is a "fix bucket" where this fix is contained, I would use it.

Any guidance for these 2 post's requests would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Mar 2014, 10:55    Post subject: video problems + boot with peculiar BIOS  

I can now report that all the problems I previously reported with an old nvidia machine are tied to the driver. Using the framebuffer driver not only got rid of the invisible cursor, which turned up after running for hours, and the problems in starting xwin which turned up on some boots, but also restored the video blanking screensaver which was failing under those other nvidia drivers.

My current installation on this machine is adequate for daily use, but I maintain a test installation for future tests with better video drivers.

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On a different machine, the HP Elitebook 6930p, I have had no video problems at all, and few other problems, but the blankety-blank BIOS doesn't want to boot much except Windoze. Linux Mint is able to insert its own multiboot using GRUB2, but I have had no luck in modifying that to add an entry for Fatdog. Even when I have risked a direct Fatdog installation on the disk with the W7 installation I have ended up booting into W7 afterward. (Before installing Fatdog, it was doing a GRUB2 multiboot with Linux Mint 16. My problems with that are that some developers have gone hog-wild with complicated shell scripts for what is essentially a very simple process. I don't find any explanations for why things should be this way in Linux land convincing.)

This BIOS appears to have been an early step on the way to a UEFI BIOS used for high security on laptops of businesses and government contractors. It is not exactly fish or fowl. There is apparently no straightforward way to turn off secure boot.

(This is considered SMBIOS version 2.4, and BIOS HP 68PCU Ver. F.18, 3/16/2010)

This isn't doing a great deal for security, as I have had no trouble getting access to any files I want inside the W7 system. It would be hard to find a better way to motivate people to become system crackers.

I want to make it clear that I own this machine, and have a bill of sale. The OS was upgraded by the original owner and activated. There is an OEM product ID. I've photographed this to have a record which cannot be deleted by a computer crash or malicious software.

To forestall comments by others: I like to keep one machine with Windoze so I can reproduce problems reported by those still under the thrall of the monster of Redmond. (Another one of these friends has just retired, so this motivation is weakening.) It is also necessary to run some programs from other sources, like self-extracting files, though I don't use many. I routinely use Linux systems like Fatdog myself, and try to keep these from being polluted by Windoze. The ideal way is to boot off devices which are not even connected to the machine when W7 is running.

The efforts to keep people from booting alternative OSes are having the effect of making machines dedicated to Windoze less desirable and marketable. I already see economic consequences. Good.
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PostPosted: Tue 04 Mar 2014, 12:13    Post subject: Fatdog64-630 Final (February 11 2014)  

I have a DVD+RW running on my Acer Laptop.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Tue 4 Mar 2014 on Fatdog64 630 Linux 3.12.9 x86_64
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68e0
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: PARK 01.00
X Server: Xorg Driver: fglrx
X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: ATI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series
OpenGL core profile version string: 4.3.12618 Core Profile Context 13.251

# glxgears
26368 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5273.495 FPS
26274 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5254.410 FPS
26475 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5294.949 FPS
#
Suspend works fine, life is good Smile

I made a pcmanfm-1.2.0-x86_64.sfs and will upload it to the contrib
repository when possible, it's not possible yet.
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Atle

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Mar 2014, 15:03    Post subject:  

Hi...

Have installed Scribus 1.4.1 from PPM.

Then it requested libpython 2.6.so.0.1, but there is just python 2.7.5

I use Fatdog64-630 Final.

Any hints?


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kirk

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Mar 2014, 17:12    Post subject:  

Atle,

Python 2.6 is part of the devx sfs file, so you can install that and it should work. I'm out of town right now, I'll check into the missing pet package when I get back.
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Sunny

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Mar 2014, 20:02    Post subject: Question on fd64-devx_630.sfs  

Question about fd64-devx_630.sfs ...

There is a directory called /usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 in this sfs file that contains two subdirectories (gdk-pixbuf & gdk-pixbuf-xlib).

These two subdirectories also show up in /usr/include/gtk-2.0 in this same sfs.

I would note that the files in these pixbuf subdirectories are not the same. Which are the right ones?
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