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Blue Pup V6 Released 11th Oct 2014
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step

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 02:54    Post subject: Re: Blue  

ETP wrote:
Your second screen shot tells me that the Metro extension has updated to 1.02 which has some improvements. You can induce an update by entering developer mode if it fails to do so.
Can you elaborate on that? What are the steps to update the Metro extension? I'm new to Chromium.
EDIT: never mind, found it under Settings/Extensions (left side).
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 03:18    Post subject: Blue Pup  

Hi step,

It is good to hear that you are now up and running.

Quote:
I wonder if I could boot blue pup from a USB2 key targeting the f2fs partition on a USB3 key plugged into the express port card... Time to experiment.
Anyway, thank you again for blue pup!


Yes, but you may as well put it on the SSD. That is one way that I run it on both my XP box and a recent 8.1 box with an 840.

It is very easy to do and is described here:

www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=763231#763231

Have fun. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 03:37    Post subject:  

High Step! Laughing
step wrote:
... I recently got a Samsung 840 evo 128GB SSD and I'm trying to decide which OS/fs combo is best for it. ... USB3 is available as an add-in express port card, but the BIOS can't boot from it. I wonder if I could boot blue pup from a USB2 key targeting the f2fs partition on a USB3 key plugged into the express port card... Time to experiment. ...
Over last weekend, I did just that...experiment. This is what I found out.
Modifying the config found in the /boot folder of USB partition1 you'll need to point to the correct partitions where the full-install partition is. Standard is "sdb2". In my case, I duplicated sdb2 to a logical partition "sdb6". And, it booted. Be sure that rootwait and rw remain as they are REQUIRED. One example allow system to boot sdb6 is as follows:
Code:
# Boot Blue Pup ETP 25th March 2014
default /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb6 rootwait rw
# Original systemboot instruction follows
# default /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb2 rootwait rw
I see no reason you could not replicate sdb2 to any other partition your system could see at boot time and have your system boot by modifying the bootmanager config appropriately.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 03:45    Post subject: [not SOLVED]  

Hi ETP,
thanks for these Blue Tahr derivatives !
i got Blue v.2 running nice (installed on an 8GB USB stick from the image as described on page 1 this thread; the whole 8GB stick has been f2fs formated before install);
- booted nice on a COMPAQ desktop, and now does not boot anymore on the very same desktop ...just a flashing dash prompt without any message;
- now it continues booting on a Dell620 laptop;
- it does not boot on other PC's where another USB stick with syslinux 3.73 boots nice;

Now i'm a bit puzzled as it has booted on the COMPAQ PC, and now it does'nt anymore ...

Thnsk for ant advice,
Charlie

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reading the above post (thanks gcmartin !!)

editing the syslinux.cfg file in sdb1 like this:
syslinux.cfg was
Code:
# Boot Blue Pup ETP March 2014
default /vmlinuz root=PARTUUID=123456-78 rootwait rw


edited syslinux.cfg:
Code:
# Boot Blue Pup ETP March 2014
#default /vmlinuz root=PARTUUID=123456-78 rootwait rw
default /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb2 rootwait rw


does not solve that question ...see next post
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 04:35    Post subject:  

Hi again,
(continuing my above post)
the new syslinux.cfg allowed to boot only once on the COMPAQ PC;

i afterwards plugged the USB stick on another desktop (also booting on anther stick having syslinux3.73 in /sdb1), and got nothing but tre fashing dash prompt;

back again on the COMPAQ desktop ...and does not boot (only got the flashing dash prompt)

...??
thanks for any advice
charlie
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 04:46    Post subject: Blue V2  

Hi Charlie,

Gcmartin’s post does not apply to your problem which is BIOS related rather than a failure to find the second partition. PARTUUID ensures (in V1 & V2) that it does regardless of the drive letter. You should return syslinux.cfg to its original state then proceed as follows:

The flashing prompt indicates that the BIOS is no longer seeing the stick as a bootable device. Try removing all mains power to the COMPAQ desktop for a couple of minutes then try again. As it boots enter the BIOS to see how it perceives the stick.
On the other PCs try the same thing.

If no joy, try V3 which is intended to boot on awkward BIOSs. Edit: Return your stick to its virgin state before targeting it with V3. Smile

General Comment:
Step’s last post has reminded me to cover how to upgrade Thunderbird.
I have therefore added to the FAQ which can be found here:

www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=762234#762234

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 12:27    Post subject: Re: Blue Pup  

ETP wrote:
Yes, but you may as well put it on the SSD. That is one way that I run it on both my XP box and a recent 8.1 box with an 840.
It is very easy to do and is described here:
www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=763231#763231
Bookmarked and I will definitely experiment it. Are you actually dual booting Win and blue pup from your SSD, or is your SSD reserved for blue pup? If dual booting, are you doing that with syslinux and how?

One of the reasons I really like this thread is because you and other members are enriching it with wonderful and clear how-to's related to booting and QT in general.

One more question. Would you please share the performance testing scripts that you used to make the list in your post here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/posting.php?p=768942?
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 12:40    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
High Step! Laughing
Modifying the config found in the /boot folder of USB partition1 you'll need to point to the correct partitions where the full-install partition is. Standard is "sdb2". In my case, I duplicated sdb2 to a logical partition "sdb6". And, it booted. Be sure that rootwait and rw remain as they are REQUIRED.

Hi gcmartin! Thank you for your advice. I'm not clear what rootwait is for. For HDD/SSD install ETP wrote elsewhere that it isn't needed anymore. So I'm guessing that rootwait is required to boot any kind of USB/SD portable media. Am I on the right track?
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 13:01    Post subject: Blue Pup V1, V2 & V3 (Released 2nd April 2014)  

I added the devx for Quirky Tahr 6.0.5 and then compiled wine 1.7.16,
it's working well.
Blue Pup is working well too.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 14:34    Post subject: Blue Pup V1, V2 & V3 (Released 2nd April 2014)  

Hi step,

To take your last query first. You do not need “rootwait” with a fast hard drive or SSD. It is used for USB sticks which can be slow to register.

Dual Booting
A vast subject in its own right, so I will just post a link. If you require further info just send me a pm. (Blue has now replaced Thin Slacko on the f2fs partition of my SSD)

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=745369#745369

Performance testing.
There are no scripts as such just the single command line shown at the top of the image. i.e. hdparm –t /dev/sdb1
For more comprehensive info using Windows, I recommend the PortableApps version of CrystalDiskMark.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Apr 2014, 14:50    Post subject:  

step wrote:
... So I'm guessing that rootwait is required to boot any kind of USB/SD portable media. Am I on the right track?
I found to the contrary when testing. Failure without it on my Dell laptop where current tests are done. It required both parms to boot sdb6.

My steps on 8GB stick:
    1. Gparted /dev/sdb
    2. Turn "Unallocated" area into an extended partition
    3. created a formatted f2fs partition in the extended area
    4. Exit Gparted
    5. Remove stick, count to 3 re-insert stick
    6. mount sdb2 AND sdb6
    7. Open 1 ROX window to sdb2 and a 2nd ROX window to sdb6
    8. Insure that you can see hidden files in sdb2 window
    9. Drag-copy all folders-files seen in sdb2 to sdb6 (be patient, USB is a slow asynchronous device)
    10. edit the bootmanager config in /mnt/sdb1/boot/syslinux as indicated earlier, here
Reboot with stick.Hope this helps

When done, would you post your final bootmanager config.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2014, 05:52    Post subject:  

Hi ETP,
- disconecting the PC's main power did not fix the above reported boot difficulties;
- i now wonder how my above reported boot difficulties could be BIOS dependent ...
i indeed experienced the following on the very same COMPAQ desktop.
On that PC, i have installed among others:
- dPup Wheezy 3.5.2.11, frugal install on sda2
(note: dPup Wheezy3.5.2.11 cannot open or mount f2fs partitions ... but sdb1 is fat16 formated)
- quirky 6.0.3, full install on sda5

BluePup v2 is installed on a 8GB USB stick.

step1: USB stick plugged and start PC: let's assume it doesn't boot ; then a flashing dash prompt is displayed; then unplug the USB stick and boot PC on quirky6.0.3;
once booted, plug the USB stick, and just mount sdb1 by clicking on its icon;
afterwards, unmount it, and restart the PC with the stick left plugged;
then BluePupv2 boots OK.
(note: while the flashing dash prompt is displayed, if waiting over 60-70sec, then Grub starts and display the boot menu.)

step2: from above step1, switch off PC, and unplug the USB stick.
Then boot PC choosing dPup Wheezy 3.5.2.11;
plug the USB stick, and just mount sdb1; once mounted, unmount it
then reboot PC with USB stick left plugged;
BluePupv2 does'nt boot.

To get the USB stick booting again, i have to perform step1.

I could reproduce all this several times .
Are there explanations to such a behaviour?
Cheers, Charlie
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2014, 10:19    Post subject: Blue Pup V1, V2 & V3 (Released 2nd April 2014)
Subject description: v2 boot problem
 

Hi Charlie,

The good news is that your COMPAQ BIOS is capable of booting from a USB stick so you can disregard my previous comment about trying V3. What is does need is a little persuasion. Smile
Start by putting your syslinux.cfg back to its original state.

When Grub started after 60-70secs it means that your BIOS must have booted from the hard disc rather than the USB. In order to try to get the better of it try the following:
1. Shutdown the box & remove all mains power to it for a couple of minutes.

2. Plug your Blue V2 stick in then power up pressing the appropriate key to access your BIOS settings as you do so.

3. Place the stick at the top of the boot order (Before any CD or HDD) then SAVE your BIOS settings. Hopefully it will then proceed to boot from the stick.

4. Once you have played around with Blue and set up the network connection if need be, rather than shutting down, select re-boot from the JWM menu to check whether Blue once again boots.

5. Shutdown completely but leave the stick plugged in and the mains power connected.

6. Give it 10 seconds or so then turn on again to see whether it still boots into Blue or defaults to booting from the HDD.

7. If it defaults to the HDD, it means that you are going to have to repeat steps 2 & 3 each time you want to boot Blue from the USB stick.

I note that you have a full install of 6.0.3 on sda5 which I suspect is not an f2fs partition.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2014, 10:28    Post subject:  

Hi ETP,
(from page 1 ...)
ETP wrote:
Ted Dog wrote:
Why just why would someone want a windows8 work a like...

Hi Ted Dog,
...
My thinking behind this release is to offer the bling that is fashionable and likely to attract youngsters to try and experience the benefits of Linux. Witness their obsession with smart-phones and fondle slabs. If we fail to keep pace with the times and only major on code and functionality at the expense of form, we will stand little chance of attracting the next generation to Linux who will perceive the traditional desktop as something archaic only suited to geeks or grandfathers.


just to mention ...
«Woooow ... Very Happy ! that's Linux ...!? Shocked » asked me my 18 y.o. daughter watching to the BluePup's Metro screen this morning at office...
«Nice colours ...» ... my wife's comment yesterday before watching a video ..
Thanks again ETP !
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2014, 11:23    Post subject: Blue Pup V1, V2 & V3 (Released 2nd April 2014)  

After using xbmc under wine I checked QPM and saw that the latest xbmc
12.3 is available so I installed that.
XBMC is working great but only if your graphics card supports direct
rendering, ati and nvidia don't (on computers that I've tested Quirky
and Blue Pup on),all intel that I've tested do with 1 exception which was intel
ivybridge mobile.

This pc has:
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.0.1

The xbmc in QPM uses less resources compared to the windows version
running under wine.

EDIT:
I moved my Blue Pup V2 flashdrive to a pc with a Radeon HD 8570
graphics card, direct rendering is working with this card:

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 256 bits)
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.0.1

Screenshot 2 shows xbmc running on this pc.

Older ati cards that I've tried use the modesetting driver which is
the only option given when xorgwizard is run.
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