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ETP


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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 08:09    Post_subject: blue pup-sp1.pet  

Hi step,

Thanks for your reports. Your testing has revealed previously unreported problems which have been shown up by SP1 but are in fact due to flaws in a couple of the original scripts. Basically I failed to cater for all possibilities and need to find alternate ways of doing some things. Embarassed
SP1 itself is sound but I need to fix some of the scripts that it calls. I will look at them and hopefully will issue a fix in the form of a compulsory service pack in a few days time.
We are now getting down to the nitty-gritty. Smile

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step

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 14:00    Post_subject:  

My testing at your service, Sir! I'm looking forward to your next step. Lov the Blue Pup.
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 15:35    Post_subject: Moving service to running BLUE users not connected to forum  

Hi @ETP. Awhile back, @BarryK developed a way for system service, like "bluepup-sp1", to be pushed to facilitate a system upgrade. (Of course, the user must exercise to allow it to continue installation)

Does QT/BLUE have that same mechanism builtin? Could that be a way to move service to BLUE users, while still offering service explanation for understanding in the thread?

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 17:08    Post_subject:  

Hi gcmartin,

From the screen shot below you only use multi-session-CD/DVD and I personally do not even begin to understand your comment above.

Also, since multi-session is your principal interest; how is your promised multi-session-manual coming along?

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greengeek

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 00:25    Post_subject:  

Don't know if it will help anyone preparing a stick for Blue pup, but there is an interesting thread concerning Gparted and formatting here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=93047
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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 03:14    Post_subject:  

Hi @Jasper

BLUE and QuirkyTahr (QT) are not ISO supported nor are they multi-sessioned as is found with CD/DVD PUPs and Frugal PUPs.

BLUE and QT are ONLY "full" install distros whose life begins as a full-install USB or a full-install HDD.

Save-sessions have no place and are not a part of full-install systems.

Hope this is helpful

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 11:49    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Response to last two posts
 

Hi gcmartin,

Quote:
Post subject: Moving service to running BLUE users not connected to forum

I think that I see what you are getting at here. QT does include that alert when PPM is launched and as a menu item. Any service pack is placed on Ibiblio by BK.
For Blue, possibly being used by non-forum members new to Linux, I would favour a pop-up alert drawn off Google Drive. It is not a high priority however.
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Save-sessions have no place and are not a part of full-install systems.

That is not quite so. The snapshot/restore facility is its equivalent.
www.bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00034

Also as Billtoo pointed out a couple of posts back it is possible to export all your apps to another copy of Blue or QT.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 14:01    Post_subject:  

Quote:
The snapshot/restore facility is its equivalent
Yes @ETP. I'm an ole guy from wayback in the days before DOS. RATHER, Snapshot/Restore is a backup service which I have used many times for my PUPs. But, this is fundamentally different in implementation from save-session which is aimed for CD-DVD-frugal use. There is no boot-time feature builtin where user can interrupt to choose RAM only or select which session one wants eliminated as system boots., etc. This is because the save-session(s) and the base PUP are distinctly separate items; whereas the full-install does not carry that concept.

Until either QT/BLUE chooses to add this structure in or change the underlying workings of the full-install system, "save-session" as is known in frugal-DVD is non existent as a subsystem in QT. (This is not a request for I completely understand advantages that full install provides use)

Stepping aside from save-session and returning to Snapshot/Restore, the USB stick (or the system HDD) should be a part of good user behavior to protect oUr running OS. Snapshot/Restore, I think, is one of the things we, as users, must do for our OSes and especially the data/information/media we create/use/maintain on the system we run.

Thusly too, @BillToo's implementation has some very distinct advantages for incorporation & use.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 18:34    Post_subject:  

I would like to know the inner workings of Zram and wondered if that feature was included in a full install, if it would minimize writes to a Flash drive.
The os with files would be loaded into Zram as a compressed image and the directory and menus items would be links to expand an application while it was being used and discarded afterward.
But I could be called crazy thinking that.
Being Old School, I still remember when one could use executable zip files that would expand when used and be removed when finished.
There was a utility called Zip2exe that would convert a normal zipped application into one that would expand and open when used/clicked on.

Also, on the subject of installing Blue Pup to a partition on my hard drive, with all the frugal installs of various Puppys on a few partitions and sharing some directories from /mnt/home with each at this point I am not ready to do a hard drive install.
I did make an SFS of the contents of the f2fs partition though that I can open with most Puppy versions.
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rameshiyer

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Apr 2014, 01:00    Post_subject: Blue Pup
Sub_title: Installation
 

Please let me know how to install Blue Pup V3 in Hard Disk of PC. Looking for a detailed reply.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Apr 2014, 02:32    Post_subject: Re: Blue Pup
Sub_title: Installation
 

rameshiyer wrote:
Please let me know how to install Blue Pup V3 in Hard Disk of PC. Looking for a detailed reply.

Hi rameshiyer,

Details can be found in these two posts:
www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=763231#763231
www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=770389#770389

If you intend to shrink a Windows NTFS partition it is highly advisable that you first:

A. Do a full hard disc check in Windows followed by a defrag.

B. Backup your whole drive before using Gparted to shrink & then create your new f2fs partition.

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nancy reagan

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Apr 2014, 10:20    Post_subject: build system for quirky  

Though I dunno understand what it means bur BK has published the build system for quirky with changes ?

http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00077
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Apr 2014, 11:08    Post_subject: NEW OPTIONAL PET
Sub_title: (petalert-mk1.pet)
 

This is an optional dotpet for all versions of Blue Pup. In QT 6 BarryK introduced a feature to check for new service packs. The check could be selected as a menu item or was carried out automatically if PPM was launched.

This pet checks automatically for new pets or service packs at each boot-up without any user intervention.
If either of the above is available an audible and a visual alert will be triggered.

For testing purposes the server based trigger is currently turned on.

The pet (petalert-mk1.pet) can be found here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_iVVJCd9q09cTFfNnhaR2QybFk&usp=sharing

Please let me know if this .pet performs as expected. Test by re-starting X.
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Apr 2014, 18:39    Post_subject: service available for BLUE PUP  

I installed the PET to my BLUE on USB. I restarted X. After a short period, while on desktop, I got a pop-up message indicating there exist a "service" on the forum, without specifying where.

Question
Should the PPM be used after the pop-up? Or, how should one proceed after viewing the popup?

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Apr 2014, 02:02    Post_subject:  

Hi ETP, I sent you a PM. Thanks.
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