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FatdogArm Beta1/2/3/4- 16 April 2016
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kerl

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Dec 2016, 01:05    Post subject:  

don570 wrote:
There is a list of devices that will run this operating system

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/arm-index.html

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Thanks

Another question, a bit off-topic:
Is there something like the apps mentioned on
https://wiki.debian.org/ChrootOnAndroid
to run puppy from Android?
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Dec 2016, 10:23    Post subject:  

No, but in principle it's the same thing - instead of Debian rootfs you use puppy rootfs.

By the way - today I traded my Raspi2 with Raspi3 (the Raspi2 is now doing full-time job providing remote access service using OpenVPN).

With a new kernel, FatdogArm now runs on Raspi3, with built-in wifi.
Bluetooth doesn't work yet - like anything Broadcom, that thing requires custom patched hciattach, so will probably do it later.

cheers!

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TeX Dog

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Dec 2016, 01:09    Post subject:  

Ok great/ BK has blutooth working and a newish kernel, but not the blutooth app to correctly set it up like FD64, posts point all that out in current QuirkyArm thread. Glad you seem to popup for air, did not know if you gave in/up this effort.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Dec 2016, 10:35    Post subject:  

I'm still here. I didn't give this up, but I have to admit I was running out of breath with so many things to juggle, and you can the the obvious lag between this and Fatdog64. I've been travelling a lot, too.

I do have plans to rebuild all FatdogArm packages to bring it up on the same level as Fatdog64 710, but so far it remains as plans.

I'm glad that people like don570, mories, yourself and a few others continue to hold the fort during my disappearance. Thanks for all that.

I'm uploading raspi3 kernel to http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/arm/releases/beta5. While at it, I'm updating the SFS to the latest copy that I have. The updated SFS should work for all other platforms too.

As for the raspi3 kernel, my understanding is that it will work for raspi2 too, but I no longer has raspi2 so I can't confirm that.

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TeX Dog

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Dec 2016, 11:08    Post subject:  

Well we do not to have to make it backward compatible to Pi2 Wink
Been dreaming of the day when we can fire up those unused 64bit cores, then the next day when he can justify figure out going Big-little and fire both sets of cores at same time.
If WE (you) only knew some... some person that can / did make the jump to 64bit, had the tools and knowledge and possibility the insane desire to climb tall mountains just because they are in-front of them Idea

[This was my 256th post, wonder if that says it will come true, oh magic binary powers of 2]
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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Dec 2016, 12:26    Post subject:  

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As for the raspi3 kernel, my understanding is that it will work for raspi2 too, but I no longer has raspi2 so I can't confirm that.


I'll see if I can make it run on my raspy2 board.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 09:36    Post subject:  

Thank you don570, let me know how it goes.

@Ted Dog: I don't plan for backward compatibility, it's just a given from Raspi team. But without a Raspi2 I can't confirm anymore.

As for 64-bit - well, with only 1GB RAM, there isn't much to gain from going to 64-bit. gcc can be configured for aarch64; so it's matter of kernel and glibc support. I understand Linux 4.8 supports 64-bit Raspi3 SoC, but I don't know how good the support is (as in, "what works?").

Btw - what happens to your old account? Or do you just want to emphasise that you do lives in Texas? Smile

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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 10:01    Post subject:  

Those two are the same guy? I thought this one was just expressing his affinity for TeX, arguably the coolest program ever.

Since I have broken into this conversation, I will bring up the following junk:

Does the latest Raspberry Pi card have multiple cores that are inaccessible? Sounds surprising.

Does anyone have any interest in competing cards like the Odroid C2? It looks not bad at all.

The whole ARM platform is too fragmented for me...for computing on the cheap, there are a number of integrated processor/motherboard combinations in x86.

I hope I have not thrown things too much off the track here. Please continue with your OS developing.
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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 10:43    Post subject:  

TyroBGinner wrote:
Does the latest Raspberry Pi card have multiple cores that are inaccessible? Sounds surprising.

No. The Raspi3 comes with 64-bit capable ARM CPU (quad-core Cortex A53 cores). All of them are used, but the official OS (as well as FatdogArm) runs the CPU in 32-bit mode, not in 64-bit mode. Kinda like running 32-bit Puppy on 64-bit machines.

The one with BIG.Little is Odroid-XU2 or XU3. They come with Exynos5 SoC, which comes with 4-cores of Cortex A15 (fast, power hungry) and 4-cores of Cortex A7 (slow, low power). Yes, that's a total of a whooping 8 cores (octa-core CPU). The standard Linux kernel can run it in the official BIG.Little mode (when load it high, run it on the Cortex A15 cores; when load is slow, run it on slower but lower power Cortex A7). The official kernel from Odroid (=from Samsung I guess) can run *ALL* of the 8 cores together. Watch for your temperature however. The only downside: all of them are 32-bits. But unlike raspi3, XU2/XU3 comes with 2GB of RAM.

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Does anyone have any interest in competing cards like the Odroid C2? It looks not bad at all.


I haven't followed C2 in details. Apparently their SoC (AmLogic) also uses the same Cortex A53 cores, the same one used by Raspi3. But ARM cores don't make the CPU (or SoC), or even the board. There are other things to consider.

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The whole ARM platform is too fragmented for me...for computing on the cheap, there are a number of integrated processor/motherboard combinations in x86.

What does "computing" means? Desktop computing? If yes, them ARM is definitely getting there, and will be there, soon. Odroid U3 (quad-core Cortex A9, 1.7GHz) feels like a low-power x86 already, more so with XU2/XU3. I don't know how low a x86 box can get. When gcmartin was still here and kept on promoting Intel NUC; I checked the price and I couldn't get anything lower than $300; for the same price I could get 3x Odroid-XU3. Even Intel Gallileo cannot compete on performance/price ratio. Only thing is, people like Intel because it's "more supported" (whatever that means - "runs Windows", perhaps?).

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I hope I have not thrown things too much off the track here. Please continue with your OS developing.


Nah, I don't mind going off track here and there. Adds a little bit of liveliness into the thread. Laughing This thread is quiet without those, anyway Wink

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mories

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 11:33    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:

I do have plans to rebuild all FatdogArm packages to bring it up on the same level as Fatdog64 710, but so far it remains as plans.

Great news that you have plans to evolve FatdogArm.

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While at it, I'm updating the SFS to the latest copy that I have. The updated SFS should work for all other platforms too.

I installed the new SFS (beta 5) in both RPi2 and Odroid U3, and in both cases everything works correctly.
There do not seem to be many changes, but the distribución and style of drive icons are better now.
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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 19:27    Post subject:  

James wrote:
I understand Linux 4.8 supports 64-bit Raspi3 SoC, but I don't know how good the support is (as in, "what works?").


Read this...
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/suse-linux-enterprise-server-for-raspberry-pi/

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don570


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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 21:22    Post subject:  

I was able to install the new raspy3 kernel on my raspberry pi2 board!! Cool

Sound played over my TV set speakers out of box without any problems.

Observations:

The ReadME file needs to be rewritten. It should say...

Quote:
Format your card to fat32 .
Drag all contents to the card, then copy fd-arm.sfs as well.
Make changes to config.txt if desired.
Finally insert card in board and power the board on


I suggest for convenience putting in config.txt

Code:

#hdmi_safe=1

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Also window edges couldn't be seen . scanning problem I guess.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Dec 2016, 21:37    Post subject:  

I suggest that some software be included in the SFS file.

pfile pfilesearch to find files

samba or samba tng + YASSM to set up a network share.


I like to install seamonkey reader (right-click utility) to read downloaded HTML files
as the root user. (remove fake gz extension)
seamonkey-reader.txz.gz
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TyroBGinner

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2016, 06:34    Post subject:  

Thanks for the response, jamesbond.

It seems like there is far better support for x86 in whatever OS one is talking about. When I looked into it, it seemed like the ARM platform in general is rather fragmented. When you get an x86 processor and motherboard, Linux and Windows will likely run on it. In contrast, with ARM I saw constant discussions of people trying to get some driver to work on some device - and talk of users hoping that a decent implementation of Linux for their device would soon be made available by the "developer community". And a look at XDA developers shows how hit-or-miss things are for Android in general - and for one's smartphone in particular. It is too uncertain, so I passed on the approach of using ARM devices despite the low cost and the almost irresistible appeal of endlessly tinkering with all the headers on the development boards. The Odroid C2 has an I2S header on it that can be paired with what is claimed to be an audiophile-quality daughterboard with optical out (stereo PCM, I guess) and RCA stereo out.

I mentioned inexpensive x86 proc/mobo pairs - some are at Newegg under the heading of "embedded solutions" or the like. The N3150 Braswell is $65, and an A4 is $55 or so.
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Mercedes350se

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Dec 2016, 20:29    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
Odroid U3 (quad-core Cortex A9, 1.7GHz) feels like a low-power x86 already,


I can confirm that a U3 with Debian Jessie is a very nice combination.
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