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What's to replace opera?
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musher0


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 11:17    Post_subject:  What's to replace opera?  

Hello, all.

What's to replace opera, since no Linux upgrades are produced?

I tried palemoon, a firefox derivative, and managed to have it somewhat resemble opera
in appearance and functionality by adding a lot of extensions. (See atached pics.)

It takes time, though, you need patience to install all those extensions.

Does anybody know of a browser -- new or old -- that has picked up the opera torch?

Thanks in advance.

musher0

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rokytnji


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 12:02    Post_subject:  

I bit the bullet long ago on Opera and either run Chromium or SeaMonkey or Firefox depending on my hardware and installs.

Dillo, Qupzilla, Netsurf, are some of my Back go tos besides Kazahakase also.


Probably not a post addressing your thread properly though.

Rolling Eyes

I do know if I ran oldyellers FluxPup-1.5 . Probably the 1st thing I would do is download a bz2 SeaMonkey or Firefox tar and run it also since default in FluxPup is Opera.

I kinda wondered why but it is not for me to say on how one builds any project since I am a builder myself (mechanic).
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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 12:25    Post_subject:  

For possible future consideration....

http://otter-browser.org/

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Otter Browser, project aiming to recreate classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5.
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sheldonisaac

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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 13:08    Post_subject: Re: What's to replace opera?  

musher0 wrote:
Hello, all.

What's to replace opera, since no Linux upgrades are produced?

Hello, musher0.

Sorry if this is not exactly an answer.

Should I replace it? This one is 11.64, I have 12.16 on another computer.

Thanks,
Sheldon

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musher0


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 13:37    Post_subject:  

Hi, Sheldon.

No, I think you're good. Both of your versions of Opera are O.K.. I for one still have
Opera 12.16 running fine on this UpupRaring-3.992 Puppy.

I opened this thread because I'm wondering about the future.

On the Windows side, opera is up to version 20, but it has lost the functions that made
Opera such a breeze to use. It's a straight browser now, no mail , no address book and
no torrent apps anymore. Also this Opera v. 20 won't run on wine. Of course a wine app
doesn't flow as well as a native Linux app. It's also a bit slower, for one thing.

At present, I know of no browser that offers the same nice bundle of functions as the
traditional Opera had. That's a big loss for the users (both for WhineDose and Linux
users).

Pale Moon is quite nice, and you can make it look and feel like opera -- to a point.
I still miss the Ctrl-Arrow functions that made it so easy in Opera to move around,
and from one page to the next.

So if anyone has a hot line with the gods of computing, maybe ask them if a good
replacement for Opera is in the works? Smile

Thanks in advance. BFN.

musher0

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musher0


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 13:43    Post_subject:  

Hello0, all.

About using left and right arrows in Pale Moon, I just discovered this extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/prevnextarrows/?src=ss

BFN.

musher0

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 14:38    Post_subject:  

Are you suggesting 'progress' is taking away abilities and functions?

I often reject 'updates' not just because of pointless size increases but because of the loss of nice features or convenience.

Nothing to contribute unfortunately but ...yes opera was a nice bundle of fast software. Guess they are joining the tablet bandwagon but in doing so might just get lost in the crowd.

Was/is their code open source...ie could someone fork it?

mike
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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr 2014, 19:01    Post_subject:
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(EDITED)
Hi, mikeb.

Answer to your Q. 1. Neither bloating nor maiming a program is progress. I think that Opera as we knew it had achieved a balance. That said, the question is now rhetorical,
since there are no Linux versions of the new Opera.

Q. 2: AFAIK, Opera belongs to a Norwegian phone company which is a
State Corporation. Use of Opera is/was free, but its "Presto engine" and
the supporting code are/were not open source.
(Corrected grammar and typo in this par., 14-04-18 )

BFN.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 10:24    Post_subject:  

Hello, Puppy-ists!

If you'd like a start page for Pale Moon that doesn't use the Google
search engine -- with its analytics and spying stuff, here's one!

I've replaced the Google URL with StartPage, so the search results should
be pretty much the same. I also substituted the WhineDose thumbnail
with Softpedia's, and then added a thumnbnail for DistroWatch at the
bottom. I didn't touch anything else. I understand that the people at Pale
Moon probably want the info and the advertising "royalties" from Google,
but...

Hello? This is Puppy L-i-n-u-x ! Smile A couple at least of Linux
references should be reflected on that page, no?

Their original WhineDose-ish page bothered me, so I changed it.
Blame me. Very Happy

You can download my edited html Pale Moon Start page from here:
http://www.datafilehost.com/d/b60a8f4b (160k)

Unzip it where you like -- /root/my-documents or
/root/.moonchild_productions are good places. Load it in Pale Moon,
close the other html pages (or not), and then indicate, in the Pale Moon
"Preferences", that this is (these are) the html page(s) you now want as
your start page(s). Should be easy enough, eh?! Smile

BFN.

musher0
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 12:35    Post_subject:  

Good thread Smile I've used Pale Moon for Windows on my other (newer) computer, but it refuses to install on this one, leaving an error message saying it requires an SSE2 or newer processor.

The answer to the question in my view is to continue with Opera 12.16 as long as possible, because as far as I know there's nothing better (for older computers at any rate).

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 13:00    Post_subject:  

Here is Otter Browser as mentioned by James C
Running in Dpup Wheezy 3.5.2.11
Problem is it needs Qt5 which I installed (5.2.1) via the official installer but it is not recognising my keyboard configuration so I can't type anything in.
Hopefully this could be resolved, just wanted to do a quick test out of curiosity.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 15:26    Post_subject:  

In honour of this thread i must mention this is being posted on opera 10 on windows 7.

Thats about it apart from firefox 3.6 and opera 12 give me similar mileage though he latter lacks the editor which is handy for sites like ebay.

sse2...hmm needs a i686 build.

qt5 eh...
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 17:12    Post_subject:  

Colonel Panic wrote:
Good thread Smile I've used Pale Moon for Windows on my other (newer) computer, but it refuses to install on this one, leaving an error message saying it requires an SSE2 or newer processor.

The answer to the question in my view is to continue with Opera 12.16 as long as possible, because as far as I know there's nothing better (for older computers at any rate).


Ditto. I use Opera 12.16 for its simplicity, ease of customization and integrated imap mail. When it does fail on a site (more frequently recently) I fall back (over) to Pale Moon or SlimBoat. All are installed to and keep their caches and data in directories on the boot partition making them accessible from multiple pups and sparing the various savefiles. Currently favor Pale Moon with Ghostery over Slimboat by a nose.

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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 23:06    Post_subject:  

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Problem is it needs Qt5 which I installed (5.2.1) via the official installer but it is not recognising my keyboard configuration so I can't type anything in.


Using the online installer myself. Pretty big sucka.
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PostPosted: Fri 18 Apr 2014, 23:17    Post_subject:  

I actually just recently became a fan of Opera after seeing how much faster it worked in Barry's Tahr (Tahr 5.99 default browser I believe) as compared to Seamonkey in the newer Tahr's. I hate to say it but I think I'll be moving to Chromium with a Seamonkey backup.
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