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Hello, all.

What's to replace opera, since no Linux upgrades are produced?

I tried palemoon, a firefox derivative, and managed to have it somewhat resemble opera
in appearance and functionality by adding a lot of extensions. (See atached pics.)

It takes time, though, you need patience to install all those extensions.

Does anybody know of a browser -- new or old -- that has picked up the opera torch?

Thanks in advance.

musher0

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References:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pm4linux/ (PaleMoon for Linux)
http://www.palemoon.org/ (PaleMoon main page)

I bit the bullet long ago on Opera and either run Chromium or SeaMonkey or Firefox depending on my hardware and installs.

Dillo, Qupzilla, Netsurf, are some of my Back go tos besides Kazahakase also.


Probably not a post addressing your thread properly though.



I do know if I ran oldyellers FluxPup-1.5 . Probably the 1st thing I would do is download a bz2 SeaMonkey or Firefox tar and run it also since default in FluxPup is Opera.

I kinda wondered why but it is not for me to say on how one builds any project since I am a builder myself (mechanic).

For possible future consideration....

http://otter-browser.org/

Otter Browser, project aiming to recreate classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5.

musher0 wrote:Hello, all.

What's to replace opera, since no Linux upgrades are produced?

Hello, musher0.

Sorry if this is not exactly an answer.

Should I replace it? This one is 11.64, I have 12.16 on another computer.

Thanks,
Sheldon

Hi, Sheldon.

No, I think you're good. Both of your versions of Opera are O.K.. I for one still have
Opera 12.16 running fine on this UpupRaring-3.992 Puppy.

I opened this thread because I'm wondering about the future.

On the Windows side, opera is up to version 20, but it has lost the functions that made
Opera such a breeze to use. It's a straight browser now, no mail , no address book and
no torrent apps anymore. Also this Opera v. 20 won't run on wine. Of course a wine app
doesn't flow as well as a native Linux app. It's also a bit slower, for one thing.

At present, I know of no browser that offers the same nice bundle of functions as the
traditional Opera had. That's a big loss for the users (both for WhineDose and Linux
users).

Pale Moon is quite nice, and you can make it look and feel like opera -- to a point.
I still miss the Ctrl-Arrow functions that made it so easy in Opera to move around,
and from one page to the next.

So if anyone has a hot line with the gods of computing, maybe ask them if a good
replacement for Opera is in the works?

Thanks in advance. BFN.

musher0

Hello0, all.

About using left and right arrows in Pale Moon, I just discovered this extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... ws/?src=ss

BFN.

musher0

Are you suggesting 'progress' is taking away abilities and functions?

I often reject 'updates' not just because of pointless size increases but because of the loss of nice features or convenience.

Nothing to contribute unfortunately but ...yes opera was a nice bundle of fast software. Guess they are joining the tablet bandwagon but in doing so might just get lost in the crowd.

Was/is their code open source...ie could someone fork it?

mike

(EDITED)
Hi, mikeb.

Answer to your Q. 1. Neither bloating nor maiming a program is progress. I think that Opera as we knew it had achieved a balance. That said, the question is now rhetorical,
since there are no Linux versions of the new Opera.

Q. 2: AFAIK, Opera belongs to a Norwegian phone company which is a
State Corporation. Use of Opera is/was free, but its "Presto engine" and
the supporting code are/were not open source.
(Corrected grammar and typo in this par., 14-04-18 )

BFN.

musher0

Hello, Puppy-ists!

If you'd like a start page for Pale Moon that doesn't use the Google
search engine -- with its analytics and spying stuff, here's one!

I've replaced the Google URL with StartPage, so the search results should
be pretty much the same. I also substituted the WhineDose thumbnail
with Softpedia's, and then added a thumnbnail for DistroWatch at the
bottom. I didn't touch anything else. I understand that the people at Pale
Moon probably want the info and the advertising "royalties" from Google,
but...

Hello? This is Puppy L-i-n-u-x ! A couple at least of Linux
references should be reflected on that page, no?

Their original WhineDose-ish page bothered me, so I changed it.
Blame me.

You can download my edited html Pale Moon Start page from here:
http://www.datafilehost.com/d/b60a8f4b (160k)

Unzip it where you like -- /root/my-documents or
/root/.moonchild_productions are good places. Load it in Pale Moon,
close the other html pages (or not), and then indicate, in the Pale Moon
"Preferences", that this is (these are) the html page(s) you now want as
your start page(s). Should be easy enough, eh?!

BFN.

musher0

Good thread I've used Pale Moon for Windows on my other (newer) computer, but it refuses to install on this one, leaving an error message saying it requires an SSE2 or newer processor.

The answer to the question in my view is to continue with Opera 12.16 as long as possible, because as far as I know there's nothing better (for older computers at any rate).

Here is Otter Browser as mentioned by James C
Running in Dpup Wheezy 3.5.2.11
Problem is it needs Qt5 which I installed (5.2.1) via the official installer but it is not recognising my keyboard configuration so I can't type anything in.
Hopefully this could be resolved, just wanted to do a quick test out of curiosity.

In honour of this thread i must mention this is being posted on opera 10 on windows 7.

Thats about it apart from firefox 3.6 and opera 12 give me similar mileage though he latter lacks the editor which is handy for sites like ebay.

sse2...hmm needs a i686 build.

qt5 eh...

Colonel Panic wrote:Good thread I've used Pale Moon for Windows on my other (newer) computer, but it refuses to install on this one, leaving an error message saying it requires an SSE2 or newer processor.

The answer to the question in my view is to continue with Opera 12.16 as long as possible, because as far as I know there's nothing better (for older computers at any rate).

Ditto. I use Opera 12.16 for its simplicity, ease of customization and integrated imap mail. When it does fail on a site (more frequently recently) I fall back (over) to Pale Moon or SlimBoat. All are installed to and keep their caches and data in directories on the boot partition making them accessible from multiple pups and sparing the various savefiles. Currently favor Pale Moon with Ghostery over Slimboat by a nose.

Problem is it needs Qt5 which I installed (5.2.1) via the official installer but it is not recognising my keyboard configuration so I can't type anything in.

Using the online installer myself. Pretty big sucka.

I actually just recently became a fan of Opera after seeing how much faster it worked in Barry's Tahr (Tahr 5.99 default browser I believe) as compared to Seamonkey in the newer Tahr's. I hate to say it but I think I'll be moving to Chromium with a Seamonkey backup.

I've just installed links2 from the pet, and am posting from it now (in Puppy Fire Hydrant). It is fast and works very well if you don't need JavaScript, which can be compiled into it but is a bit hit and miss (and I believe later versions of links don't have it).

Just saw this, for anyone still interested in Opera for linux:

Opera Finally Sees New Linux Update With Opera 24 Developer Stream

https://gist.github.com/ruario/99522c94838d0680633c

Edit: My bad for not mentioning that the above instructions are made by a opera employee who uses Slackware and is a respected member at Linux
Questions.org

Thanks cimarron, thanks rokytnji, for this info.

That opera version 24 is a 64-bit only version, right?

BFN.

musher0

OscarTalks wrote:Here is Otter Browser as mentioned by James C
Running in Dpup Wheezy 3.5.2.11
Problem is it needs Qt5 which I installed (5.2.1) via the official installer but it is not recognising my keyboard configuration so I can't type anything in.
Hopefully this could be resolved, just wanted to do a quick test out of curiosity.

hi OscarTalks,

yes the keyboard problem with qt5 has had me scratching my head.
this fix has solved the problem for me in other qt5 apps .. not tried in otter yet http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/i ... 09303.html