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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post_subject:  DebianDog - beta changed to stable version
Sub_title: Debian Wheezy Live CD
 

Click here for new packages and fixes information and download links.
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Edit: 14.10.2014 - Both DebianDog iso replaced with new versions. List of changes read here.
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Edit: 11.08.2014: New version Porteus-Wheezy-3.13.6-openbox.iso with systemd boot enabled, kernel 3.13.6 from Porteus and modules extension changed to .xzm (like in Porteus).
Mirror link + old versions
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Related links:
Install Spotify on Debian/DebianDog
DebianDog Packages section
DebianDog HowTo thread
DebianDog Utilities thread
DebianDog + Blue Pup Quirky Tahr Dual Boot USB Stick How-To
How To Make A Network Storage NAS Appliance With DebianDog and OpenMediaVault

DebianDog-Squeeze.iso version for old computers
DebianDog-SID-Test.iso (Unstable Debian) version - testing.
Use old Skype version after 01.08.2014
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Edit: 23.07.2014 - DebianDog changed to stable version. List of changes you can find here.
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Edit: 16.06.2014 - Both DebianDog iso replaced with new versions. List of changes read here:
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First post:

This is now stable version DebianDog started as Light-Wheezy+Porteus-Wheezy.

DebianDog is very small Debian Wheezy Live CD shaped to look like Puppy and act like Puppy. Debian structure and Debian behaviour are untouched and Debian documentation is 100% valid for DebianDog. You have access to all debian repositories using apt-get or synaptic.

To test DebianDog for first time you need to burn it on CD, use DebDog-installer from the iso to make frugal install, or to extract /live folder on top of a partition or USB and edit manual your boot grub menu.lst
DebianDog has Frugal and Full installer included.

DebianDog is set to autologin as root. If you like to use it as multiuser system it is recommended to start XDM login manager (available only in Jwm version). Just type in terminal xdm-start and reboot. xdm-stop will reverse back autologin as root.

Login details:
root with password root
puppy with password puppy

Two versions are available for download:
1. DebianDog-Wheezy-jwm_icewm.iso -118 Mb
Default WM - JWM with option to switch to IceWM.
Default File Manager - XFE with option to use Rox.
Default Internet Browser - Dillo.

2. DebianDog-Wheezy-openbox_xfce.iso - 150 Mb (from Fred).
Default WM - OpenBox with XFCE.
Default File Manager - Thunar with option to use Rox or XFE.
Default Internet Browser - Firefox.

md5sum

DebianDog has kernel 3.2.0-4-486. If it works for your hardware you need nothing more. If it doesn't, please, read here how to boot easy with different kernel.
For modern multi-core machines it will be better to use (026-kernel-3.14-Pae.tar.gz - Debian kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-Pae) or (022-kernel-686-pae.zip - Debian kernel-3.2.0-4-686-Pae) separate module from the link above.

We have 3 different initrd files included which gives 3 different boot and save file options. I will explain them proper in the next post.
Please, read also Examples-boot-codes for boot options.

After testing the boot methods and save file options and decide which one is best for you, just remove 2 initrd files to save 15 Mb system space.

Both versions have a lot in common as boot and save file options. The difference is in the WM and applications choice.

In post five on this page you will find information how to install packages in Debian with Synaptic (GUI) or apt-get (CLI).

DebianDog has lot of tools similar to Puppy. You can load puppy SFS modules and many of them will work out of the box. You can create easy separate sfs modules and remaster the system with all personal changes. You can convert pet packages to deb or sfs. I will give more information about the available tools in one of the next posts.

I like to give my Thanks to Smokey for hosting DebianDog project,
to Debian team for keeping Debian such flexible system,
to this forum for the opportunity to work on a project different from puppy linux,
to our forum members working on DebianDog development: Fred (fredx181), Terry (sunburnt), William (mcewanw), Sergey (sklimkin),
and for the valuable advices to: jbv, sfs, catsezmoo, big_bass, emil, dancytron, anikin from our forum
and dzz from www.debianuserforums.org
And to Sickgut for his original idea that made possible DebianDog to exist.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post_subject: DebianDog - Boot and Save File options  

Three boot methods available for DebianDog:
Click on the links for more information.

Never use the same /live folder name for more DebianDog frugall install on different partitions. Use different folder name for more DebianDog frugal install. You will find information and example boot codes in the links below for each boot method.

1. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-3x- debian initrd.img created with initramfs-tools-v3.x.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Debian-Wheezy save file options.
Available option for encrypted save file or encrypted save partition.

2. DebianDog Wheezy live-boot-2x - debian initrd1.img created with initramfs-tools-v2.x.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Debian-Squeeze save file options.
No encrypted save file option yet

3. Debian-PorteusDog Wheezy (porteus-boot) - porteus initrd1.xz made for debian kernel and firmware.
Chose this one if you are familiar with Porteus or Puppy linux.
Available option for encrypted save file.

Make your boot choice and you can delete 2 initrd files to save 15 Mb space from the system size.
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For anyone interested testing Puppy initrd boot method.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:17    Post_subject: Extra squashfs (sfs) modules:  

System modules for DebianDog
Extra modules for DebianDog
DebianDog packages

More information and direct download links (use right click Save link as):
06-DEVX-DebDog-2.squashfs - DEVX compiling programs module for DebianDog. It is easy to apt-get all needed but we have separate module for faster use.
061-man-doc-info.squashfs - all man, info and doc files in DebianDog are zero-sized to save space. This module has all man, info and doc files. Load it with SFS loader or place it in /live and reboot.
00-locale-files-jwm-icewm.squashfs - DebianDog has only english localization. If you like to use other localization load this module. It has all /usr/share/locale files for all installed in DebianDog-jwm-icewm programs. To save space you can simply copy/paste only the language files you need. Otherwise the module adds 22Mb to the system size.
00-locale-files-openbox_xfce.squashfs - all /usr/share/locale files for all installed in DebianDog-openbox-xfce programs.
031-firmware-porteus.squashfs - Firmware from Porteus. Use it in case some device does not work. It might fix the problem.
062-AptOnCD.squashfs - create portable CD/DVD repository with debian packages of your choice. Read more.
initrd-3.2.0-4-486-linux-live.xz - this is actually forth boot method similar to porteus-boot. More information here Builded from Fred and uploaded in case someone like to use it. Here is example boot code:
Code:
title Linux-Live boot (sda1/linux-live)
  root (hd0,0)
  kernel /linux-live/vmlinuz1 from=/linux-live
  initrd /linux-live/initrd-3.2.0-4-486-linux-live.xz

SoftMaker-FreeOffice-2012.squashfs - You need free registration to use it. Also debian package available for download.
firefox-portable_29.0.0.0_i386.deb
023-abiword-2.8.2-docx.squashfs
023-abiword-2.8.6-docx.squashfs
023-gnumeric.squashfs
064-cups.squashfs - if you use printing seldom and prefer not to install it.
ffmpeg-static-0.9.4.squashfs - Read more here.
08-googleearth-debdog.squashfs - testing reports about this module welcome.
spotify-0.6.4-wine-portable.squashfs - more information here.
024-goffice-lupu-528JP-1.squashfs - 5,4Mb - Abiword-2.8.6, Gnumeric-1.10.13, Inkscapelite, ssconvert, ssgrep, ssindex. Converted from Lupu module. Compatible with DebianDog-Wheezy and Squeeze versions.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 01:18    Post_subject: Special DebianDog programs and first boot settings programs  

Special utilities added in DebianDog - (not available from Debian repository) and first boot settings programs.

DebianDog-Install - installer for frugall/full USB/HDD using grub4dos/syslinux with option to install from iso or directory.
Desktop Editor - edit /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files.
Menu Puppy - generated from /usr/share/applications/*.desktop files according FreeDesktop.org standard
Menu-Debian - will reverse back the standard Debian menu generated from /usr/share/menu files but with less submenus setup.
RemasterCow - create separate squashfs (SFS) module with system last session changes only.
RemasterDog - remaster DebianDog with all your changes in new main file system module.
Audio-setup - run it only if you do not have sound on boot.
Frisbee - run it only if you do not have working internet connection on boot. Added menu entry to replace Frisbee with Simple_Network_Setup from local deb package without need of working internet connection.
ffmpeg2sfs - script to create small ffmpeg.sfs instead installing.
Keyboard layout - add different keyboard layout.
Set Time Zone - run it to setup your time zone. It will setup date and time automatic.
Set Default Apps - changing the links for default programs.
Ram Profile High and Ram Profile Low - stops/starts wallpapers, desktop drive icons and taskbar icons for frisbee and volume-icon. Saves around 8-10 Mb RAM for very limited Ram machines.
Wallpapers - change and setup different wallpapers for each desktop.
apt2sfs - create sfs module from apt-get downloaded programs without installing them.
Make Save File - create save (encrypted save) file for any boot method (live-rw, persistence, changes.dat).
SFS-Loader-new, SFS-Loader-old - load SFS (squashfs) modules. There is also right click load/unload option for Rox, XFE, Thunar.
SFS-Portable - create executable script to run (load/unload) SFS module as NoInstallApp.
ScreenShot - scrot-dlg screenshot program.
FtpMount-CurlFtpFS
PureFtpd GUI

Xhippo and Xrecord - audio/video player and sound recorder.
Picdrop desktop icon - drag and drop resize pictures utility.
ArcDrop desktop icon - drag and drop archive/extract utility.
redeb - extract, edit and repack deb packages:
AutoMount-Start/Stop menu entries - start and stop auto-mount all drives on boot.
Resize-Save-File - resize save file script.
Rcconfog-Xdialog - startup services manager frontend for rcconf.
Make new initrd files GUI - aoto-create initramfs for each boot method in case different kerenel is installed.
Extract Audio from Video
pet2sfs and pet2deb - Convert pet packages scripts with right click option in Rox, Xfe, Thunar.
Live-snapshot and make snapshot - save in gz compressed file option for live-boot-2x.
CLI scripts for installing new kernel
Concy setup for Jwm
Encrypted save file manager

Added from Puppy: Pburn, Pfind, Frisbee, MultyCopy/Paste for Rox, Transmission 2.31, desktop-drive-icons, pup-volume-monitor, Obshutdown, FFconvert, SNS, Precord, Pavrecord, DoMyFile, DoMyCommand, PeasyGlue, MenuMaker, filemnt...

Not included (extra packages):
Puppy-Firewall - download.
dmMediaConverter - download
flite_hts_engine - Text To Speech (TTS) synthesiser - download
dmMediaConverter - download
Yassm-smbclient-mpscan_2.6-1_i386 - Download
Samba-tng-rcrsn-0.5-rc1 - Download
Osmo, Notecase, HV3- Web Browser, Apulse - pulseaudio emulator for ALSA, Xpns-tools - Porteus network manager

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 03:30    Post_subject: Installing debian packages  

mcewanw wrote:
If you also/alternatively want to install packages from the commandline rather than use JWM -> Settings -> Synaptic GUI, then the following commands are useful. You can find more from the site this list of commands is basically quoted/extracted from: http://www.tecmint.com/useful-basic-commands-of-apt-get-and-apt-cache-for-package-management/

If you are running as a non-root user then use sudo with the following apt commands:

The ‘update‘ command is used to resynchronize the package index files from the their sources specified in /etc/apt/sources.list file:
Code:

apt-get update


The ‘upgrade‘ command is used to upgrade all the currently installed software packages on the system:
Code:

apt-get upgrade


Use 'install' to install a package whose name you know:

Code:

apt-get install iceweasel


If you don't know the exact name, you can use “search” with apt-cache to display a list of matched packages with short description:
Code:

apt-cache search flashplugin

or use:

apt-cache search flashplugin | less (q key to quit 'less')


You can download any given package without installing it:
Code:

apt-get download iceweasel


To un-install software packages without removing their configuration files (for later re-use the same configuration). Use the ‘remove‘ command:
Code:

apt-get remove iceweasel


To remove software packages including their configuration files, use the ‘purge‘ command:
Code:

apt-get purge iceweasel


To list all the available packages
Code:

apt-cache pkgnames

or use:

apt-cache pkgnames | less


if you would like to check information of package along with it short description, use show:
Code:

apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree


if you would like to check package dependencies, use showpkg:
Code:

apt-cache showpkg flashplugin-nonfree


The ‘clean‘ command is used to free up the disk space by cleaning retrieved (downloaded) .deb files (packages) from the local repository (which you can usefully, prior to using clean sub-command, find in /var/cache/apt/archives):
Code:

apt-get clean


To fix dependencies if for example you have used an offline installer such as JWM->Utility->Xfpack, use:
Code:

apt-get install -f (with nothing typed after that)


From that same apt commands link:
Apostolis Hardalias wrote:

Two very handy and useful commands are:

apt-cache depends

which shows the package dependencies and

apt-cache rdepends

which shows packages depending on (reverse depends)


EDIT: Of course you find all the details about Debian, including lots on apt, at their documentation pages:

Main Debian Reference Guide:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/

Debian Wiki:

https://wiki.debian.org/

Docs home page:

http://www.debian.org/doc/

William


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Installing packages not included in Debian repository downloaded from different locations:

Download the deb package and install it by right-click on the deb and choosing install in Xfe or Rox. Or from command line:
Code:
dpkg -i /path-to/package-name

Then from command line fetch the missing dependencies:
Code:
apt-get -f install


In case the deb package is not compatible with Debian-Wheezy (DebianDog) you will be prompt to remove the installed package since the dependencies can not be solved. It can happen for example with older Debian Versions packages like Squeeze or Lenny.

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Important information if you have troubles installing DebianDog on old computer:
mcewanw wrote:
Note that the following suggestion is really only concerned with really old computers (ten years old or so). It will not be necessary for most computers and may not work for you anyway (just did for me). I was having trouble booting from a usb flash stick after originally formatting it with a single ext4 format partition with Gparted (and disabling the ext4 journal to save flash from wear). My machine detects the single usb stick partition as /dev/sdb1:

If you have an older machine (ten year old or so) and are having trouble to get DebianDog to boot from grub4dos when the debiandog live folder is on usb, as a last resort you can try the following method of formatting a usb to ext4 first. If I instead use Gparted to format my usb stick, and install debiandog onto that, I find that the result boots fine on my newer computer, but can't find files on my older one.

By formatting the usb stick in the following manner instead, and then installing debiandog on that, I have no problem booting on either my older machine or my newer one. I don't guarantee this will work on any particular machine, but it is maybe worth a try if all else seems correct but you still can't boot from the usb. If that doesn't work, you might also like to try changing 16384 (which results on partition starting on 1MiB boundary) below to 2048 (which results on partition starting on 1MiB boundary instead) but 16384 worked fine on my old machine:

1. I partition and format my usb stick (on /dev/sdb) with the following two commands:

Code:
echo "16384,,L,*" | sfdisk -f -H 16 -uS /dev/sdb

mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal /dev/sdb1


2. The above reduces the apparent heads to 16 (-H 16) (which presumably works around a BIOS limitations problem on my old machine) and formats /dev/sdb1 partition with ext4 fs. Then I simply run debdog-install, click on /dev/sdb1 partition, select debiandog install iso (or my /mnt/home/live folder), and press the install button (I avoid using gparted since that seems to muck up the heads bit; not that there is anything wrong with gparted - it is probably just using the kernel's representation of CHS values, which is fine for most modern computers).

The result boots on both my old and newer computer and the bootable (*) /dev/sdb1 Linux (L) partition starts on 8MiB boundary (16384 sectors).

I wrote more about the experiments that led up to the above here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=770156#770156

Note that my old machine actually has no BIOS option to directly boot from usb so as a workaround I have grub4dos bootloader itself on the harddrive for that machine (with grub4dos bootloader on harddrive MBR and grldr and menu.lst on the harddrive's first partition)

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 05:10    Post_subject:  

Any plans (for us traditionalists) to give this a full install option ?
BTW gave this a run yesterday , very good job !

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 09:10    Post_subject:  

Hi, Alphadog.
I think with some help it will be possible to give full install option.
I will do some testing how it can be done proper with Debian.

In the meantime you can have something very close to full install but only with live-boot-v.2.x and live-boot-v.3.x It will not work with porteus-boot.
Make frugal install on sda1 (for example).
Create sda2 ext partition and label the partition live-rw (for live-boot-v.2.x) or persistence (for live-boot-v.3.x it will also need persistence.conf file inside).
Extract the content of /live/01-filesystem.squashfs on top of sda2 partition.
Delete 01-filesystem.squashfs.
Then create new empty 01-filesystem.squashfs from empty folder (/live/empty for example).
Code:
mksquashfs /live/empty /live/image/live/01-filesystem.squashfs

Reboot the computer with the same code for frugal install.
Now you boot DebianDog with empty squashfs module and all files are inside sda2 save partition uncompressed in RW mode.
The difference from full install is you still have initrd file in use.

Toni

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 11:22    Post_subject:  

Toni saintless wow thanks for providing this Dog.
I am too much noob maybe to get all the needed
instructions so I look at it later when many have tested it.

Much appreciaed you share all details on how to set it up

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 12:58    Post_subject:  

Hi nooby
It may seem complicated because there are many choices but if you just use the standard iso it will work in most cases, as Toni stated in first post:
Quote:
DebianDog has kernel 3.2.0-4-486. If it works for your hardware you need nothing more. If it doesn't, please, read the third post how to boot easy with different kernel.


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 13:17    Post_subject:  

Hi, Nooby Wink
When you decide to test it just write here. We will help.
BTW with porteus-boot method you will be able to save changes in save file on NTFS partition.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 13:54    Post_subject:  

# Congratulations # DebianDog has been a rather long time in it`s coming.

DebianDog is Debian-Live. Ubuntu and others are based on Debian.

DebianDog is the Linux O.S. that I have been talking about for so long.

It`s greatest strength is having the enormous Debian repository of applications.
It has Debian`s apt-get and Synaptic package managers. So many options...

It still needs polishing like Puppy has been polished for almost 10 years now.

# I`m so very glad I was able to put in my 2 cents worth and help a little bit.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:07    Post_subject:  

Thanks, I will consider it.

What about that porteus has stopped their Dev
and this OS make use of maybe same code.

So this OS maybe can be put into sam legal issues
in case copy-right was the issue with porteus?

Should we try to find somebody that have been active
on porteus that can share light on what made them
shut down?

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:28    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
What about that porteus has stopped their Dev
and this OS make use of maybe same code.

So this OS maybe can be put into sam legal issues
in case copy-right was the issue with porteus?

Hi, Nooby.

Even if this is true DebianDog does not have a problem. All we have from Porteus is included in initrd1.xz file for porteus boot. In the worst case we will remove porteus initrd1.xz file and DebianDog will boot only pure Debian methods. We can even try to modify Puppy boot method to replace porteus one if it is needed.
I'm sure soon we will know what is the problem with Porteus site.

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 14:40    Post_subject:  

From:
https://www.facebook.com/porteus.org?fref=ts
Quote:
Porteus Linux
4 minutes ago
Looks like some people goes bit paranoid about porteus.org being still down. So to make things clear and answer some questions: No - we did not get hacked and No Porteus is not 'dead' We are still alive and kicking. We cant put the site up till the announcement i want to post is approved by all Team members. OTOH - nice to see that you do care about us Thanks.
- fanthom
12 hours ago
Hi guys. As some of you probably noticed porteus.org is down as we are struggling with bandwidth related problem and some other things. Will post announcement and explain everything once it's up and running again. Apologize for the troubles and thanks for your patience.
- fanthom.


Seems to be a temporary problem.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Apr 2014, 16:46    Post_subject:  

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fredx181 wrote:
.. if you just use the standard iso it will work in most cases, as Toni stated in first post.
Fred

Yes, it did, and thanks a lot!

I'm back in Lucid Puppy now, because I don't know how to find and install Debian software; are they called "packages".

In Puppy, I look for .pet packages of, for example, claws e-mail, or Opera browser.

I'm certainly aware that Debian uses apt-get, but am almost totally unfamiliar with how to.

Thanks,
Sheldon

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