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A SAVE-session to directory option added for PUPs [REOPENED]
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gcmartin


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2014, 16:27    Post subject:  

This just caught my attention as this seemingly allows 2 things that would be useful for any PUP user.

Using this utility ===> Here from @Gyro appears to open the way for 3 possible events:
  • resolving the "filled" save file by moving from a file to a folder within the same frugal folder location (insuring of course, that the user does NOT end with both a frugal save folder and a frugal save file).
  • to use this to take a frugal folder into a new base frugal folder thru this ability by exposing the contents into a folder along with exposing initrd and repacking initrd.
  • to convert a frugal install PUP to become a full installation with little effort.
Further, there appears to be some relationship between the @Gyro offering and this 'toggle' offering, "Mkdist", from @Shinobar

This is slightly off-topic of this thread; but is made available thru the work of the contributions from members in this thread.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 19:11    Post subject:  

Woof-CE master branch now has save to directory feature integrated. My initial tests have been positive.

You can get the woof-CE-0.3 release tarball from Here.

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jul 2014, 04:37    Post subject: Query re new savefolders  

Query re new savefolders:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=787562#787562

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Oct 2014, 14:07    Post subject:  

I've been updating the Savefile page on the wikka wiki to include information about the savefolder options.

Is there anywhere that gives a general description of how it works?

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/SaveFile

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Oct 2014, 14:38    Post subject: Description of the changes in PuppyLinux shutdown processing  

Hello @DarkCity

You are right in looking for a single page which would describe the primary options available to Live users, and Frugal users, alike, when system shutdown would occur.

Your webpage may want to clarify by "Save-Session Options built into Puppy Linux". where the 'Introduction' explains that "... when running a Live boot or running a Frugal boot, the ability to save ones work during the session can be stored in either a Linux folder or buried in a Linux file."

Hope this is helpful.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Oct 2014, 07:56    Post subject:  

thanks for the reply. it isn't my webpage as such.

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I will expand the introduction as recommended. Is there a link to somewhere describing the 'save to folder' option?

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PostPosted: Fri 31 Oct 2014, 12:41    Post subject:  

Saving work we often done outside of the savefile/folder.

Here is the rewrite-

SaveFiles/ SaveFolder (also known as PupSave file/folder) are required for a Frugal Installation to save modifications to the operating system. The changes are either written written to RAM memory first then to file or folder, or written directly to file or folder. This method of running is sometimes referenced to as 'Live' in other distributions, where the option to make changes may or may not exist.

The changes are anything modifying, adding-to or removing-from the linux file structure (RootFS). This typically includes settings, installing new applications etc. It also includes anything saved in the ~ user directory (usually root).

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PostPosted: Tue 04 Nov 2014, 05:58    Post subject:  

The thread is closed but peebee found a bug and there is a fix to be tested before it makes it to woof-CE Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Oct 2015, 22:20    Post subject: Can NTFS support save-session folder(s)?  

Over the past months I have seen several indicators from members about Linux links working on NTFS partitions/filesystem.

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Is this an agreed on finding? If so, does this expand this thread's contribution?

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 00:29    Post subject:  

there is issues using NTFS as savefolder since not all linux file flags are supported, however it doesn't seem to burst into flames Like I expected when I accidentally setup such an savefolder. A full install type ( copied all files from squashfs and made a dummy version to get better speed ) works great in linux filesystem save folders but lots of wierdness if done with NTFS. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 00:34    Post subject:  

also like the yellow yield sign with a question mark if you boot back into windows for your links. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 01:18    Post subject:  

Does that mean that when in Windows, that OS changes Linux links or cannot use them in Windows?

Are problems all Linux links, or, either the symbolic or the absolute ones?

And, is it limited to older NTFS releases in Linux or all NTFS releases to date?

The concern being raised is for the creation and use in Linux ONLY; the save-session folder needs specifically.

One reference I found outside of Puppyland is here

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 07:58    Post subject: save-folder on NTFS  

I won't go there.
My motto is, leave NTFS partitions to Windows.

1) NTFS is propriety to Microsoft, they can change it, or how they use it, at any time. e.g. Windows 8 fastshudown/fastboot.

2) Since at least Windows 7 and still in Windows 10, there is a "Shrink Volume..." action in "Disk Manager" that can safely make available some unallocated disk space which can be used for a Linux filesystem.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2015, 09:33    Post subject:  

with gyros advice ( and name gives me an idea for lunch ) do the resize early in the use of a new windows 8 or 10 machine BEFORE the bloat. It figures if its in a small space its on a SSD type hardware and removes a bunch of disk writing logs and keeps it self small as needed. I agressively sized my windows8.1 into less than 20G and it still runs as fine as windows can run ( I do not use it for much )
of course I already protected my windows HD with hybernate off and such.
For me I don't have a choice I have a mediabox that only uses NTFS and old MBR configurations so modified to work that way. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Oct 2015, 05:44    Post subject:  

Is the LInux NTFS support coming from Microsoft? And, should we expect MS to shutdown the Linux link command as it is designed in Linux OR are you suggesting that some cleanup operation in MS, when running Windows could look for and destroy a Linux symbolic link?

At this point in the advancement of Windows (and Linux) and considering MS's position as a LInux user and contributor, I would not expect that particular-specific future change to occur. "Bad for business when MS has been showing a partnership with Linux/Unix."

I do understand what you share,@Gyro; but I don't feel that in today's world we shouldn't expect that occurrence/behavior from MS.

Their next filesystem change will probably be a new one, anyhow, depending on the direction of both mobile and datacenters are taking. That foundation is already afoot.

If we understand what today's NTFS provides in allowing Linux command links (and data) to exist in an NTFS environment, and that to survive over reboots, is there any reason that a session folder could also be expected to survive over reboots, same as occurs on on Linux partitions?

I cannot find any evidence that Linux links do not work. But, I may not be looking in the proper places that have current information.

Anyone know anything about the ability for save-session to survive with information unaltered and intact across reboots on a LInux system?

I am willing to test a save session change to determine if we can break the links that Linux would have it is filesystem across reboots....if a PET is available for testing.

Thoughts or information that anyone has/knows would be helpful.

P.S. Can the save session code that would allow saving to a NTFS partition be coded in such a way to make it easy to ID and remove if this idea is moved forward. Seems that it is already design to allow NTFS to be added as a detectable candidate same as the current Linux partitions. (take this comment with the understanding that I am NOT a bash anything, as I recognized how wrong I may be in visualizing the utility's design.) But, my original question is about a concept of whether the utility can be safely expanded, if what has been presented is correct!

Is it correct?

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