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chillinfart

Joined: 22 May 2006
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PostPosted: Tue 24 May 2016, 01:25    Post subject:  

I tried Parabola Linux (Arch based) due to a nice optimized Intel driver for my netbook, the ****ing system was hanging every 30 seconds thanks to a bug in a service (logind). Few documentation available about the bug, after finding the quirky service. Once i disabled some text in logind.conf, i can get rid of the setup.

Finally i gave up with Parabola after a minor thing (bad support for my Ralink RT3090 unlike Tahrpup), but thanks to this i found how systemd works since the POV from a final user.
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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Oct 2016, 00:11    Post subject:  

How to crash systemd in one tweet (seriously!) - reported 3 days ago. The bug has existed for over two years.

If you think "but ... but ... every software has a bug, why is systemd singled out!", then please read the linked article to see why it is indeed so (hint: this isn't the only reason-defying bugs).

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Elena


Joined: 01 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Oct 2016, 14:24    Post subject:  

For a non-Systemd Arch Linux, I can recommend Obarun Linux

It's already my favorite Linux (besides Puppylinux). A new .ISO will be out in just a few days...

EDIT: New ISO got released.

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rufwoof

Joined: 24 Feb 2014
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Oct 2016, 17:53    Post subject:  

Elena wrote:
For a non-Systemd Arch Linux, I can recommend Obarun Linux

It's already my favorite Linux (besides Puppylinux). A new .ISO will be out in just a few days...

How quickly do security updates comes through from Obarun? Debian and its SystemD took a day for recent Chromimum and Openssl security fixes to drop into my system. How stable and extensive is Obarun's repository? If I install Openbox, will a version of Blender that works well with that version of Openbox also be installed (python libs etc.)?
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Elena


Joined: 01 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Oct 2016, 18:44    Post subject:  

Thanks for your interest, @rufwoof.

Obarun is a rolling release using the Arch Linux repo (stable, but of course you can add testing etc.) The package lists of Arch as well as from the AUR repo are well maintained and update several times a day. Blender and Openbox should be up-to-date (using those myself too). Dependencies will install together with the the main application, as expected.

Yet Obarun also has it's own package list. Mainly with non-Systemd-packages and their different, reorganized init system (Runit or S6). I'm using ObarunS6_x86_64-v0.0.6.

For questions, the main dev's of Obarun on Github, Eric and bit, are ususally on IRC (irc.freenode.org, #obarun) and on their forum. Both are quite helpful and friendly.

You won't get Wine atm (because it's strictly non-systemd). For this need I'm booting Puppy Linux.
With some configuration yourself (browser, different Window Manager, implementing some PuppyLinux apps, etc.), it's a very good distribution.
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Colonel Panic


Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Nov 2016, 14:53    Post subject:  

I'm experimenting at the moment with running distros which rely on sysinit rather than systemd, and I find that when the computer boots up now it no longer runs a process for 1 minute 30 seconds before it finishes booting, which used to happen before. It's almost like a two year old computer now instead of an eight year old one.
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