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XP Refugee

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jun 2018, 12:02    Post subject:  

eh, it was an old HP 16 gig someone gave me. Not so surprising I guess. I DID usta think they'd last forever, unlike tape where the coating wears off with each use and such.
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jul 2018, 18:25    Post subject: Pale Moon 28 beta works on Puppy 7.x  

Having gotten PM 28 beta building on CentOS 7.2 and working, I did some informal testing on various Puppy versions. On 6.3 and earlier Puppies, Pale Moon errored out about /usr/lib/stdc++.so.6 not having GLIBCXX 3.4.20. I assume this is due to the stdcxx-compat hack being depracated. On Slacko 7.0 (actually 6.9.9.9) and Xenial 7.0.6, Pale Moon works fine in the limited testing I did.

At Puppy 7.x, you're looking at 768 megs to a gigabyte of ram suggested for the Puppy OS to run comfortably. The 512 megabyte minimum ram size for Pale Moon should not be an issue if you're running Puppy 7.x (Xenial?) in the first place. SSE2 support will be required. See https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=19269#p142274 Note UXP == "Unified XUL Platform", which is Pale Moon's fork of Mozilla's XUL.
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 00:38    Post subject:  

I have tested working palemoon 28.0.0b2 in tahr64 6.0.6 and slacko64 6.3.2 which are the early 64 bit puppies I know.
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darry19662018

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 01:18    Post subject: Re: Pale Moon 28 beta works on Puppy 7.x  

Walter Dnes wrote:
Having gotten PM 28 beta building on CentOS 7.2 and working, I did some informal testing on various Puppy versions. On 6.3 and earlier Puppies, Pale Moon errored out about /usr/lib/stdc++.so.6 not having GLIBCXX 3.4.20. I assume this is due to the stdcxx-compat hack being depracated. On Slacko 7.0 (actually 6.9.9.9) and Xenial 7.0.6, Pale Moon works fine in the limited testing I did.

At Puppy 7.x, you're looking at 768 megs to a gigabyte of ram suggested for the Puppy OS to run comfortably. The 512 megabyte minimum ram size for Pale Moon should not be an issue if you're running Puppy 7.x (Xenial?) in the first place. SSE2 support will be required. See https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=19269#p142274 Note UXP == "Unified XUL Platform", which is Pale Moon's fork of Mozilla's XUL.


I'll stick with 27 series - 512 meg ram thats pretty bad.
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 06:22    Post subject:  

watchdog wrote:
I have tested working palemoon 28.0.0b2 in tahr64 6.0.6 and slacko64 6.3.2 which are the early 64 bit puppies I know.

Interesting; 32-bit 6.3.2 doesn't work for me with PM28 beta. Please do me a favour;
  • Open a new tab in PM28
  • Go to URL "about:buildconfig" (without the quotes)
  • As text, copy+paste the the output, and post it here

I know that the output looks like gobbledegook, but it does make sense. I want to dig into this deeper, and check where my 32-bit test build differs from the 64-bit build. And hopefully get a 32-bit build that works under Slacko 6.3.2
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 08:03    Post subject:  

Walter Dnes wrote:
Please do me a favour;
  • Open a new tab in PM28
  • Go to URL "about:buildconfig" (without the quotes)
  • As text, copy+paste the the output, and post it here



Code:
Build platform
target
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Build tools
Compiler    Version    Compiler flags
/opt/rh/devtoolset-7/root/usr/bin/gcc -std=gnu99    7.3.1    -Wall -Wempty-body -Wignored-qualifiers -Wpointer-arith -Wsign-compare -Wtype-limits -Wunreachable-code -Wno-error=maybe-uninitialized -Wno-error=deprecated-declarations -Wno-error=array-bounds -flifetime-dse=1 -fno-strict-aliasing -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-math-errno -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -pthread -pipe
/opt/rh/devtoolset-7/root/usr/bin/g++ -std=gnu++11    7.3.1    -Wall -Wc++11-compat -Wempty-body -Wignored-qualifiers -Woverloaded-virtual -Wpointer-arith -Wsign-compare -Wtype-limits -Wunreachable-code -Wwrite-strings -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wc++14-compat -Wc++1z-compat -Wimplicit-fallthrough -Wno-error=maybe-uninitialized -Wno-error=deprecated-declarations -Wno-error=array-bounds -flifetime-dse=1 -fno-exceptions -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-rtti -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -fno-exceptions -fno-math-errno -msse2 -mfpmath=sse -pthread -pipe -g -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer
Configure options

--enable-application=palemoon --enable-update-channel=unstable --enable-jemalloc --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk2 MAKE=/bin/gmake --disable-accessibility --disable-crashreporter --disable-eme --disable-gamepad --disable-necko-wifi --enable-official-vendor --enable-optimize=-O2 --disable-parental-controls --enable-strip --disable-tests --disable-webrtc --with-branding=application/palemoon/branding/unstable --with-pthreads --x-libraries=/usr/lib64
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Jul 2018, 12:56    Post subject:  

Thanks. I'm doing an experimental build right now. I see a few differences in the parameters. I don't know which ones are significant.
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jul 2018, 22:47    Post subject:  

I think it's a problem at my end. An extension that works with the official 64-bit build doesn't work with my homebrew build. Hopefully, there's an official 32-bit beta soon.
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quirkian2new

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Location: on the inter-planet train

PostPosted: Sat 14 Jul 2018, 23:06    Post subject:
Subject description: palemoon v27 beta (32bit)
 

Does anyone have a copy of palemoon v27 beta1 or beta3 (32bit) ?

I googled but failed to find a copy. I want to download and make use of it for some special reason (I already have 64bit version but dont have 32bit version) .

Thanks.
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ally


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Jul 2018, 09:16    Post subject:  

http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Skami_Browser_Repo/palemoon27b1.pet

http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Skami_Browser_Repo

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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jul 2018, 16:37    Post subject: Re: Pale Moon 27.9.4 available  

Version 27.9.4 is available for downloading. This is a security/stability update. The release notes are at http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

Instructions for getting the mainstream release are at http://linux.palemoon.org/

The SSE-only build for Pentium3-class machines is available at URL ftp://contrib:get@ftp.palemoon.org/SSE-Linux/ Since the SSE build is not the mainline build it has to be installed manually as per instructions in the first post of thread https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13530
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Aug 2018, 20:15    Post subject:
Subject description: PM 28 beta compatability status update
 

Some time ago, I mentioned that PM 28 didn't build on stock CentOS 6. CentOS 6.10 was released approx a month ago https://blog.centos.org/2018/07/release-for-centos-linux-6-10-i386-and-x86_64/. There is also a separate EPEL (Extra Programs for Enterprise Linux) addon that updates the build toolchain https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mlampe/devtoolset-7/ E.g. instead of the native gcc-4.7.4 it runs gcc-7.3.1. The EPEL update is for the entire build toolchain, of which gcc is just one part.

Net result is that I've successfully built PM 28 beta 5 on CentOS 6.10 and done some compatability testing on it. Using a modified CentOS 6.10 build environment pushes the PM 28 compatability frontier back versus CentOS 7.2. Note, the following results are for MY BUILD VIA MY CENTOS CHROOT The final official 32-bit build may differ.

First, what doesn't work. Lucid Puppy (5.2.8.7) doesn't launch. Slacko 5.3 on Youtube; missing h264 support; "fullscreen" doesn't work; it's unstable and freezes a lot; 5.3 is not recommended.

Slacko 5.4 and upwards seem to work fine in the little testing that I've done. I don't know if 5.3/5.4 Wary/Racy are equivalant to those versions in Slacko.

PM 28 beta 5 does not have GPU acceleration enabled, so I had to dial down the resolution on Youtube. Since this is beta, some stuff may change before the official release.
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Walter Dnes

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2018, 15:04    Post subject: Pale Moon 28.0.0 released  

Pale moon 28.0.0 has been released. Release notes are at http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

Beware that 28.0.0 changes profile format. This is one-way, and you can't go back to 27.x with the modified profiles. If you want an escape hatch back to 27.x, back up the

".moonchild productions"

directory first, and restore when returning to 27.x. Preliminary testing indicates that PM 28 works as far back as Slacko 5.4. This would rule out Slacko 5.3 and Lucid (5.2.8.7). Sorry, no SSE-only version.

Distros should have updates soon. If you want to install from the tarball, see http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/ Make sure that you select the proper version
32 bit ==> x86
64 bit ==> x64
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watchdog

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Aug 2018, 02:06    Post subject:  

Palemoon 28.0.0 works in my frugal installs in precise and slacko 5.3.3 without tweaks. I have built a package glibc219tweaked for wary and racy which I have summarily tested working. I propose it for your testing:

palemoon-28.0.0-glibc219tweak.pet:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CuuCLX02lE8fIOt0ksd4_7euNUeso6Fj/view?usp=sharing

No go for me in lucid e puppy4.

EDIT: palemoon-28.1.0-glibc219tweak.pet for wary-racy:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15M4nffcgoKFsmwfS93VV7VhW06UgmpD_/view?usp=sharing

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jss83

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Aug 2018, 04:41    Post subject:  

The updater will no longer work I guess, this was one of the reason I kept using palemoon, it was easier to install/update/remove. Time to leave palemoon.. Confused
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