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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 10:34    Post subject: Palemoon 28.7.1 official compiled to work with glibc 2.12  

Walter Dnes compiled 28.7.0 Palemoon for me to test with older glibc. It works pretty well. I tested with DebianDog Wheezy from 2014. Ebay now displays photos. Youtube plays but the controls at bottom of video are missing so I cannot reduce resolution and it goes out of sync. Wheezy's glibc, gtk and pango are older than the listed requirements so there may be other problems too.

Walter then asked official compiler Tobin to compile for glibc 2.12 and the latest official version 28.7.1 also works for me. Thanks Walter!

Wary even with glib added is missing other required libraries.

DDog Wheezy (and Jessie but it tends to have problems such as Alt keys not working) is usable on 2003-4 laptops with Intel 855GM and (Thinkpad 42, an ASUS, an ACER, a Gateway 200ARC, DELLs such as 1150 and 5150) that do not display properly or sometimes do not even boot with Puppies 5 (except sometimes Wary) and 6, and it works with 512MB RAM (as does PM 28.7.1 despite requirement for 1GB). Even Wheezy has a few problems (will not auto power off, lynx and fbi may not work - DELL B130).
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 13:29    Post subject: Re: Palemoon 28.7.1 official compiled to work with glibc 2.12  

sindi wrote:
Walter then asked official compiler Tobin to compile for glibc 2.12 and the latest official version 28.7.1 also works for me. Thanks Walter!

That was not me. It was "by popular demand" See the "What happened to 28.7 for Linux?" thread https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=22849 I was late to that thread because I do my own homebrew builds, and wasn't aware of the situation early on.

Travis has not been heard from for a while. Tobin stepped in with little notice. It took a few days and one beta, but Tobin got it working for older linuxes. Thank him.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 15:19    Post subject:  

Hah with an attitude like that - no way - his attitude to people with 32bit hardware is disgusting he wants people to lick his boots, no time for arrogant jumped up -----------------.

As I have said many times and that thread proved it - keeping 32 bit stuff going is not because it is hard it is they can't be bothered. So no in short Walter no I am not thanking him. Evil or Very Mad

However thank you Walter for your efforts. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 15:59    Post subject: Re: Palemoon 28.7.1 official compiled to work with glibc 2.12  

sindi wrote:
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Walter then asked official compiler Tobin to compile for glibc 2.12 and the latest official version 28.7.1 also works for me. Thanks Walter!
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Does this mean 28.7.1 will be running on older puppies like slacko-6.3.2 again without tinkering?
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 16:30    Post subject:  

Just been having a butcher's at that thread. I must say, Tobin's general attitude toward 32-bit builds rather sucks, doesn't it? He comes across as very condescending, as though those of us running old hardware ought to be thankful & grateful that he even bothers.

I tend to agree with you, Darren. The dev community can't wait for 32-bit to die, because their work will then be even easier, I guess; just one build of each platform version. With that sort of attitude, kinda makes you wonder how much longer Palemoon will be a viable option for us here in Puppyland....

I guess we'll end up taking Walter's route, and compiling each version from source. (Oh, joy....)


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 16:44    Post subject:  

Mike Walsh wrote:
Just been having a butcher's at that thread. I must say, Tobin's general attitude toward 32-bit builds rather sucks, doesn't it? He comes across across as very condescending, as though those of us running old hardware ought to be thankful & grateful that he even bothers.

I tend to agree with you, Darren. The dev community can't wait for 32-bit to die, because their work will then be even easier, I guess; just one build of each platform version. With that sort of attitude, kinda makes you wonder how much longer Palemoon will be a viable option for us here in Puppyland....

I guess we'll end up taking Walter's route, and compiling each version from source. (Oh, joy....)


Mike. Wink


Thank goodness for people like watchdog who have a humble attitude - they could do with people like him.

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 17:04    Post subject:  

darry19662018 wrote:
Thank goodness for people like watchdog who have a humble attitude - they could do with people like him.


Oh, aye....without a shadow of a doubt. That man is a ray of sunshine for this community (although he doubtless gets embarrassed by my constantly stating the fact.)

His research/workarounds are always very much appreciated. Credit where credit is due, I always say. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 17:15    Post subject:  

Quote:

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Walter then asked official compiler Tobin to compile for glibc 2.12 and the latest official version 28.7.1 also works for me. Thanks Walter!
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Does this mean 28.7.1 will be running on older puppies like slacko-6.3.2 again without tinkering?

selfanswering Wink
28.7.1 running on slacko-6.3.2 again Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 19:36    Post subject:  

HerrBert wrote:

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28.7.1 running on slacko-6.3.2 again Very Happy

It's running fine on Slacko 5.4 on my laptop (a refurbished off-lease Lenovo). I did some very short testing on Slacko 5.3.1, and it seemed stable. But I didn't run it long enough to authoritavely say that it absolutely works.

I vaguely remember Slacko 5.3.0 being unstable and crash-prone at the transition to PM 28.0, but someone else reported the PM 28.0 ran fine on Slacko 5.3.3. Slacko 5.3.1 is probably the base level Puppy for Pale Moon.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 19:46    Post subject:  

I think I'll run icecat from now on runs well on later Puppies like Buster and Devuan based Puduan 6 .
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Sep 2019, 21:03    Post subject:  

Some important info about Palemoon for Linux 32-bit

Well, I created an a/c on the Palemoon Forum this evening, and have already made a few contributions.....and, in my turn, have received some interesting info.

I have been informed that the combination of Glib/glibc/GTK requirements, and the GCC version used to compile it, is now going to remain 'fixed' for the remainder of the lifetime of the 32-bit version releases. Not quite certain how long that will continue for, but from what I can gather the 32-bit version will, eventually, be dropped in favour of 64-bit only.

(Which is hardly unexpected, since it's the direction many developers/applications are already heading in. We'll just have to wait and see, I guess; I would assume the 32-bit 'compile' option could conceivably remain open, since the source-code itself will still remain available.)


Quote:
"Pale Moon 28.7.0 was the odd man out due to the adhoc and emergency nature of which it was produced. 28.7.1 is now using GCC 4.9 and requires at least glibc 2.12 also GTK 2.24. This will be maintained for the lifetime of Pale Moon for Linux 32bit. So whatever last minute workarounds and procedures a few distros did for 28.7.0 are not required going forward."


You're all as wise as I am now. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Sep 2019, 06:49    Post subject:  

Morning, all.

A 'tip' for some of you:-

Anyone who (like me) is running UPup 'Raring' and the Palemoon browser may have noticed that since the upgrade to 28.7.0/1, the browser no longer wants to start. (Again...)

Upon investigating, this appears to be down to the version of libstdc++ in use, which is triggering the 'XPCom GlueLoad' error. Simply put, it's too old. Raring's GLib/glibc/GTK stuff is well above the Palemoon 'minimum requirements', but the libstdc++ needs upgrading.....something that we're starting to notice needs doing more & more often now with older Puppies.

Therefore I'm providing a .pet to do just this, utilising the libstdc++ from Tahrpup, which is new enough to permit functionality once again. You can find it HERE, if required.


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Sep 2019, 13:12    Post subject:  

I read through the thread on the Pale Moon forum and I'd still say "Thanks" to New Tobin Paradigm. He's known for being a bit fiery and has self-banned from that forum for a sabbatical over his own previous outbursts.

In this case I think he's made his point fairly and it's his opinion (and not only his opinion, by far). I'm grateful that he's taken up where Travis left off. I still have a Puppy install that benefits from 32-bit Pale Moon and would be something of a faff to leave behind.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Sep 2019, 00:30    Post subject:  

This is great news. I am writing this from a 64-bit PM 28.7.1 in a Tahr64-6.0.6, which actually was booted off a functioning live multisession CD-R. I will test with the 32-bit Tahr-6.0.6, and see if I can make the PM work there too. The 32-bit Tahr-6.0.6 is only non-PAE version, so I will 'downgrade' to the older 3.14.11_PAE kernel, I have little RAM but plenty swap.

Mike, can your portable 32-bit 28.7.1 Palemoons be built to work on even older Puppys?

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