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666philb


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 07:58    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:
hello @666PhilB

Testing TahrPUP running in a KVM capable PC, shows a good speed increase in TahrPUP. But, there is a nagging issue that I wonder if you would consider resolving.

Video driver
The OOTB video card of a KVM virtual guest PC has a Cirrus card emulated. All other PUPs tested have a Cirrus module/driver and when the guests boot,they all find the Cirrus card and use it.

But, in TahrPUP,this is not occurring and there is no way to get X desktop via console of TahrPUP.

Fortunately, QEMU offers an option (-vga std) to set the VM guest PC as VESA video. Below is screenshots of QEMU setup for VESA and using FirstRUN to change the video map to match my 4X3 monitor from the TahrPUP default for a 16X10 origin.

Hope this is helpful


shinobar wrote:
I hope this patch, applied to the Ubuntu 14.0.4, against the kernel which enables some pentium M hidden PAE.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/7/180



i've uploaded a new 3.14.11 kernel which hopefully has the force PAE patch applied, and the cirrus qemu module inbuilt https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x121v1gt8ib963/3.14.11.tar.gz

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 08:05    Post subject:  

fixes for tahrpup will now be coming through quickpet.

click the update button in quickpet to get the latest quickpet.
there should now be a tahr bugfix button (in update) which will install the latest fixes.

updates ffconvert thanks shinobar
updates PUI thanks 01micko
fixes dir2pet thanks billtoo
increases contrast of highlighting in default theme

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 08:24    Post subject:  

666philb wrote:
i can't get ndiswrapper to compile
Code:
# make
make -C utils
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/ndiswrapper-1.59/utils'
gcc -g -Wall -I../driver  -o loadndisdriver loadndisdriver.c
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/ndiswrapper-1.59/utils'
make -C driver
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/ndiswrapper-1.59/driver'
Makefile:33: *** Multiple copies of version.h found, please clean your build tree.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/ndiswrapper-1.59/driver'
make: *** [driver] Error 2
#


does anyone know what the problem is?


In /usr/src/linux there are 2 (or maybe more) version.h files. Move the other(s) out of the way, and you will get further. It's trial and error as to which one, but I did it a while back for 3.12/3.13

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 09:27    Post subject:  

cheers 01micko,

got rid off all version.h's apart from /usr/src/linux/include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
the official ndiswrapper from sourceforge still wouldn't compile but i found this patched one that did https://github.com/Schwartz/ndiswrapper-patched-3.14/

ndiswrapper pets here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5i98qm00abz50hj/AAAfdWfMWLLSvDS2SaUZUGGXa
choose the one that matches your kernel

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 18:22    Post subject: forcepae  

666philb wrote:
i've uploaded a new 3.14.11 kernel which hopefully has the force PAE patch applied, and the cirrus qemu module inbuilt https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x121v1gt8ib963/3.14.11.tar.gz

Great!
Now TahrPup is running on Pentium M 1.6GHz, my notebook compaq nc4010. Very Happy

title tahr 5.8.3 (sda2/tahr-5.8.3)
uuid 3eff6dbd-90d8-40d5-a966-12255895d295
kernel /tahr-5.8.3/vmlinuz forcepae pmedia=atahd psubdir=tahr-5.8.3 pfix=fsck
initrd /tahr-5.8.3/initrd.gz

vmlinuz need to be add ID string, otherwise PDEV1 is blank. See /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE.
Code:
# echo -n 't140711144545ZZZZ5.8.3XXXXXXXXXX' >> vmlinuz

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 20:56    Post subject: Impact of Pentium M patch on laptops which do not require it  

In the past, several members who have laptops with Pentium M's have shared that their PCs wont boot PAE kernels. 01Micko posted on his website
01Micko wrote:
Please note that Intel Pentium M processors with a 400Mhz FSB (see glossary) do not run the PAE version. These were marketed around 2005 as "Centrino".
Recently, @Shinobar proposed and presented a resolution (patch) that exposes the PAE feature so that both PAE and non-PAE PUP distros will boot on capable Pentium Ms.

Is there any chance that there is an ISO built with the PATCH so that this could be tested. Further, an ISO like this would allow members who have Pentium Ms who, indeed, have PAE boot issues to report impact results of patch's use.

Each of my Pentium Ms boot without the need for the patch. If there is, somewhere, a PAE ISO with the patch, I volunteer to boot my Pentium Ms AND report what happens when booting without the kernel parm as well as what happens booting with the kernel parm on my Pentium Ms. This would present an impact report of the patch on systems which already have the hardware feature in the CPU.

Anyone with knowledge of such a PUP distro, please post.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 21:15    Post subject:  

GCMartin:

To simplify, are you basically saying the result is a PAE and Non-PAE in one?

If that is possible, it would be fantastic! I have 2 PC's that will run non-PAE and only one PAE.

Best,

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2014, 22:29    Post subject:  

Yes @Slavvo67. There are a few Intel CPUs which were manufactured and sold to motherboard vendors with a "hidden" PAE feature. The most noted of these are some Pentium Ms.

@Shinobar posted for developers a kernel patch which when included in the distro, allows Linux to expose that hidden feature for system use. This means that those system can now take advantage of all features which was previously not available to the OS at boot time. This, for example, would allow all PCs to boot PhatSlacko (or the same PUP distro without regard for whether distro is PAE or nonPAE; as is the case for AMD CPUs and most every other Intel CPU).

Hope this help in understanding

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 00:12    Post subject: tahr-5.8.3-forcepae.iso  

666philb wrote:
i've uploaded a new 3.14.11 kernel which hopefully has the force PAE patch applied, and the cirrus qemu module inbuilt https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x121v1gt8ib963/3.14.11.tar.gz

I made .iso, which does not mean any TahrPup derivative, but just for making it easy to test 666philb's new kernel.
It does not contain any fix other than replacing the vmlinuz add ID string and zdrv. The boot menu is add 'forcepae' parameter. It runs both with non-PAE Pentium M CPU and with any other PAE capable CPU.

261f685dd699c2127f6302bf324c5768 tahr-5.8.3-forcepae.iso
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/tahrpup/test/

Run with 'puppy pfix=ram' boot option (no need 'forcepae') if you have TahrPup on your HDD. Otherwise, Puppy runs from the HDD.

The tahr-5.8.3-forcepae.iso is made using Mkdist:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=94034

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 03:53    Post subject:  

hi
can you say what for ydrv need?
i use adrv for make save to sfs module
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 03:59    Post subject:  

Thanks @Shinobar

Turns out the distro looks the same, per se, no matter if I boot with the boot parm or without. Preliminary pics attached. If there is any additional testing desired, request and I'll comply.
Without boot-parms.gif
 Description   No boot parms used - Report
 Filesize   169.63 KB
 Viewed   320 Time(s)

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 Description   Boot parms used - Report
 Filesize   104.73 KB
 Viewed   317 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 04:13    Post subject:  

imago wrote:
hi
can you say what for ydrv need?
i use adrv for make save to sfs module


hi imago . this explains http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=83675

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 04:15    Post subject: Re: forcepae  

shinobar wrote:

vmlinuz need to be add ID string, otherwise PDEV1 is blank. See /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE.
Code:
# echo -n 't140711144545ZZZZ5.8.3XXXXXXXXXX' >> vmlinuz


hi shinobar,

can you explain this a bit more... does that command edit the vmlinuz? and do i need to run it on the other kernels i've created?

thanks

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 04:17    Post subject:  

gcmartin,

does the iso that shinobar created have the qemu cirrus driver you requested?

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Jul 2014, 04:20    Post subject:  

slavvo67 wrote:
GCMartin:

To simplify, are you basically saying the result is a PAE and Non-PAE in one?

If that is possible, it would be fantastic! I have 2 PC's that will run non-PAE and only one PAE.

Best,

Slavvo67


if shinobars iso doesn't work for you there's a non pae kernel here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/czf7b44ob03vif1/AAC4rut6B2qE7k0DYR1PaDpca unzip it and copy over the zdrv.sfs and vmlinuz replacing the original ones

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