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Is v5.7.1 the End of the Line for Precise Puppy?
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Jody Thornton

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 19:39    Post subject:  Is v5.7.1 the End of the Line for Precise Puppy?
Subject description: Will there be a next version of Precise Puppy?
 

I'm wondering if there is going to be a next version of Precise Puppy after 5.7.1. It appears Barry has left the project and that has me concerned.

I understand he is working on Quirky Puppy. Is there a future to that build? Can it be upgraded over top of Precise?

My interest in future builds is so that I have to access to upgraded versions of Seamonkey (but ones compiled into the OS as they seem to work better)

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 02:22    Post subject:  

The answer is no one knows.

At present Barry K. is not doing anything with Precise 5.7.1. Not even trying to fix bugs.

Someone is probably going to have to take over as developer or offer their own version of a Puppy based on Ubuntu repo.

Myself, I have no interest in a Puppy version that gets released and the developer walks away. There are always some bug issues and problems that need to be worked. If a developer is willing to listen and try to fix stuff. I am willing to use it and help make it better.
That is basically what an updated version is, bug fixes.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 03:25    Post subject:  

Yikes. That's not too promising. What would you recommend as a user-friendly, all purpose build (that includes Seamonkey)? Is Slacko a good bet or Quirky?
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 04:45    Post subject:  

Hmm who is developing quirky..... ..

Long term support is a good question but puppy is in the experimental/hobby area so nothing is set in stone. Not to mention linux itself is extremely fickle and kernels and core lib changes happen 20 times a minute.

Actually There is some form of long term support happening for Lucid but that lets you choose the browser...to me the friendliest ever of the mainstram pups. Micko seems loyal to slacko too, life permitting.

I suppose as a general statement the users provide long term support.... you may have noticed the 4.12 website and 2.14x for example and 4.31 gets similar treatment.

Old crusties like me...I use older stuff and work with that...if it ain't broke type approach and compiling drivers takes 30 seconds....
Getting newer browsers and flash seems to pamper to the advert spammers anyway..... don't start on security...only better handling of web crap is the only real bonus.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 07:52    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Getting newer browsers and flash seems to pamper to the advert spammers anyway..... don't start on security...only better handling of web crap is the only real bonus.

mike


Are you meaning to say, don't focus on getting regular security updates? I'm used to getting updates every couple of weeks in the Windows world. I would still expect regular updates on a Linux platform, no?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 08:25    Post subject:  

The first thing I ever do with windows is disable updates ... so perhaps I am not the best person on the subject... on the other hand not had a virus or adware since 2004.

Currently using firefox 3.6... ok some obnoxious sites get awkward but then again I don't feel like supporting them either if they push restricted access.

As for puppy... in itself its a snapshot of current status... many here including myself are running software from years ago and I have yet to see a confirmed report of any form of infection here.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 08:41    Post subject:  

I appreciate that some like to keep their systems setup in a legacy fashion (old Firefox 3.x versions and old software, etc...), but since I am using Puppy as an XP replacement, I am looking for something to update regularly so I can browse freely and securely, bank sites and all.

So the way I use Precise right now is VERY simple. Mostly I use Seamonkey v2.19 for browsing, IMAP mail access, and the Lightning scheduler. I simply want to be able to upgrade the build of Puppy to a next version that includes a bundled Seamonkey. I find that the compiled Seamonkey builds work better when they are integrated into a Puppy build. The one I've installed from PET files always seem to have little issues here and there.

Can Firefox be completely removed from Slacko and thus I could use Seamonkey instead?

Thanks for everyone's help by the way.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 09:18    Post subject:  

Well its more a case of not updating cos 1. its working and 2.the update might not.

Just to make you nervous I internet bank regularly on windows 2000. I might upgrade to XP soon Very Happy

Yes to remove firefox delete its folder ..usually in /usr/lib... and desktop file...but /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser may need editing.

There may be the option to have it removed in the puppy package manager.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 09:25    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
Well its more a case of not updating cos 1. its working and 2.the update might not.

Just to make you nervous I internet bank regularly on windows 2000. I might upgrade to XP soon Very Happy

Yes to remove firefox delete its folder ..usually in /usr/lib... and desktop file...but /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser may need editing.

There may be the option to have it removed in the puppy package manager.

mike


OK that's promising. Now there's no way to "upgrade" to Slacko over top of my Precise installation is there?

See, I really loved Windows 2000 Professional. I missed it a lot.
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 09:42    Post subject:  

Yes perhaps 2000 was a bit too popular....... XP starts to get cluttered.

changing to slacko from precise is not advisable...start afresh

Not sure if you mentioned a full or frugal install?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 10:41    Post subject:  

Hello, Jody.

If no one picks up the torch updating Puppy Precise, I guess you'd be right.
It would be the end of the line for that "breed" of Puppy.

That said, I'm surprised that nobody on this page has mentioned the doggie
waiting in the wings, the newcomer, Puppy Tahr:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=779859&sort=lastpost#779859

BFN.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 10:59    Post subject:  

When BarryK retired he did say that he "might" do an update of Precise at some point, but he has gone extremely quiet for several weeks now. The latest Ubuntu LTS release is now Trusty Tahr although Precise will still be supported for some while.

There is a service pack mechanism in Puppy but it doesn't seem to get used much. Updates are usually not essential.

There isn't really anything to be gained by removing Firefox from Slacko. It is included in the .iso and there are some libs inside the Firefox folder which might go missing and cause other things not to work.

You can compile SeaMonkey in Slacko with your own configure options. I did version 2.25 a few weeks back. Took about 4 hours but it worked.

If you can run 64bit Fatdog has both SeaMonkey and Firefox included.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 13:22    Post subject:  

I did mention tahr ... I wondered if support would go the same way as precise seems to have..

Actually on the subject it seems odd to me that users cannot simply grab a copy of seamonkey from mozilla and use it..what exactly goes wrong with these pets?

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 13:39    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
I did mention tahr ... I wondered if support would go the same way as precise seems to have..

Actually on the subject it seems odd to me that users cannot simply grab a copy of seamonkey from mozilla and use it..what exactly goes wrong with these pets?

mike


Precisely this shown in the thread below. Days later the issue reappeared when I tried reinstalling a pet for Seamonkey v2.25. The problem went away again when I reverted to Seamonkey v2.19 (I had to reinstall the compiled pet)

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=92952

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 13:51    Post subject:  

ah that thread......

hmm theme weirdness..another new linux feature lol (another reason I try new distros and leave them to it)

Ok...but what if you downloaded a seamonkey package from mozilla...unpacked it and ran it... how is that?

Whats it like in safe mode/with the profile deleted?

For something like this the pet 'builder' does the download/unpack...adds a menu entry via the script builder and thats it...they don't really do anything technical let alone alter the contents.

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