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Is v5.7.1 the End of the Line for Precise Puppy?
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Jody Thornton

Joined: 01 Apr 2014
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Location: Thornhill, Ontario

PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014, 06:31    Post subject:  

I shall have to try unpacking the contents of a generic archive download.

I'm really more wondering what will be the continued long term Pup derivative. I just want to bet on the right horse so I don't have to clear away my installation and redo my notebook PC every so often. I want to use Puppy (or whatever distro) in the same carefree manner that one uses Windows, but with lightweight apps.

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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014, 08:06    Post subject:  

hmm a finger on the puppy pulse... in my case the long term support is ME... looking for that in the linux world is an interesting quest. Puppy's dev base is a series of individuals and in a general state of flux and its structure/support reflects that.

carefree windows eh...yes my 2000/XP setups have been that for many years and only well behaved software is allowed on them which is a factor. Just recently been playing with win 7 and once you get a handle on that its pleasant and I suppose in the end even on windows I provide the LTS as they wish to push the latest bunny.
Windows in the long term is much easier since their kernel and base apis remain pretty constant over the lifespan of each product and beyond whereas on linux it changes constantly...having to change the core system everytime a new driver is needed does at some level seem to be overkill.
Indeed windows NT structure and base api for any driver has not changed significantly since the early 90's... makes life for hardware and software producers much easier.

I digress... its a way of life Very Happy

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ahoppin

Joined: 16 May 2011
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2014, 01:45    Post subject:  

I ran Windows 98 from 2000 to 2010. The only updates I ever installed were for functionality, not security. I never got any malware, but I avoided dodgy websites and didn't open suspicious email attachments.

Since 2010 I've been using Puppy instead, mostly Lucid 525. Lucid is very stable. My support is this forum.

I get the impression that upgrading your Puppy to a later version, even within variants, is somewhere between risky and impossible. I might be wrong about that. In any case it seems safer to back up the data, wipe the disk, and install the new Puppy fresh. (Except for a flash-drive netbook, I use full installations.)

I've customized Lucid 525 quite a lot, and so am hesitant to try to update since that would mean starting all over again. I did load Precise on the netbook, and in fact still don't have it set up quite the way I like.

For example, Preciese doesn't suspend when I close the screen over the keyboard of my EEE, something I've had working for years on my Thinkpad T2x laptops with Lucid.

I haven't yet tried updating Seamonkey from PETs. For the first browser update, I downloaded the generic Linux version of Seamonkey from Mozilla and installed it in its own directory per Mozilla's instructions. I modified /usr/local/bin/defaultbrowser to point to that version, leaving the original version right where it was on the disk just to be safe.

I've updated the same way since, and SM continues to run just fine, though that's probably not the most efficient way to do it because of the large size of the generic Linux Seamonkey. That would probably matter more if I used a savefile.

Bottom line is that I think that frequent OS updating is often unnecessary. That's certainly true with Puppy, and perhaps even with Windows.
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nic007

Joined: 13 Nov 2011
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2014, 05:15    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
hmm a finger on the puppy pulse... in my case the long term support is ME... looking for that in the linux world is an interesting quest. Puppy's dev base is a series of individuals and in a general state of flux and its structure/support reflects that.

carefree windows eh...yes my 2000/XP setups have been that for many years and only well behaved software is allowed on them which is a factor. Just recently been playing with win 7 and once you get a handle on that its pleasant and I suppose in the end even on windows I provide the LTS as they wish to push the latest bunny.
Windows in the long term is much easier since their kernel and base apis remain pretty constant over the lifespan of each product and beyond whereas on linux it changes constantly...having to change the core system everytime a new driver is needed does at some level seem to be overkill.
Indeed windows NT structure and base api for any driver has not changed significantly since the early 90's... makes life for hardware and software producers much easier.

I digress... its a way of life Very Happy

mike

Windows 7 is good but such a memory hog besides I just hate BIGGGG operating systems. Totally unnecessary
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mikeb


Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jul 2014, 09:35    Post subject:  

I got 7 down to 4gigs of disk space and ~450MB of ram when booted.
In spite of those large (to me ) figures it boots and shuts down promptly on a dual core atom.

By the way I am not careful of where I browse and love html emails...after all why have all this technology if you cannot even send out nice piccies Smile
I even used to visit those dodgy ecard links to see what happened.

98...well done... I had it fairly stable and safe after 98lite but it still needed a reboot every few hours and could only handle one large program at a time... extremely limited DOS resources and poor memory management...NT is a dream after using that one.

Long term pups...yes I like lucid...I just used it to build around the slax6 core as my long term support system...the lenny/slax 6 /pup412 era stuff starts to get awkward for some things.

mike

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