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SFR


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:15    Post_subject:  

Better...actually, more than better - have a look at the screenshot. Laughing

Ok, sda1 is that small boot partition, so I guess there's no point in installing Puppy there anyway:
Code:
# find /mnt/sda1 -type f -maxdepth 2 -name BCD
/mnt/sda1/Boot/BCD
#

but sda3 contains only the 'recovery' crap:
Code:
# find /mnt/sda3 -type d -maxdepth 3 -name EFI
/mnt/sda3/HDDRecovery/ODDFiles/EFI
#

Perhaps some test for 'recovery' string ( echo $RESULT | grep -i 'recovery' && ignore ), however other companies (than Toshiba) might have named it differently.
Or additional check for exstance of 'Windows' directory ( find "$ISPUPMNTPT" -type d -maxdepth 1 -iname 'windows' || ignore ), which presence in root dir is, I think, common for all Win versions..?

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:17    Post_subject:  

I can Woofify the main gui (at least). No time today, but weekend is free.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:23    Post_subject:  

Laughing @SFR (and edited attachment previous page with test for /windows, case insensitive)

Yeah will need some help. I have never bought a new PC with windows installed! So I don't have too much idea about all the recovery crap. All I know is that with UEFI there are small vfat partitions and other stuffs.

I suppose /Windows always exists? I'll modify so that is the first test, and if it doesn't then no more tests are needed, actually the vars doen't even need to be set (which wastes time).

What do you think about my stance on installing to NTFS?

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 09:24    Post_subject:  

zigbert wrote:
I can Woofify the main gui (at least). No time today, but weekend is free.


I don't think it's worth it for now. PUI is so complex and spaghetti like that I think I've mangled it enough! Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 10:01    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:
What do you think about my stance on installing to NTFS?
I agree, particularly as Windows now has the capability to shrink the partition of it's active C: drive.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 10:28    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:
I am dead against installing to NTFS on a hard drive. I know nooby would not have been too happy

There is probably some inappropriate gallows humour in that comment and I am trying hard to ignore it.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 10:32    Post_subject: slacko-6.0 beta 2
Sub_title: warning popup
 

@SFR

The warning popped up again, after the first pupsave I think as uptime
is only 41 minutes.
/tmp/snapmergepuppy-error shows:
cp: cannot create regular file
'/initrd/pup_ro1/root/spot/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/#s.ytimg.com/settings.sol': No such file or directory

I had just watched a video on cnn.com that linked to youtube, the
browser is Qupzilla.
I have Firefox,Qupzilla, and Dillo set to run under user spot in the
.spot-status file and chose to run internet apps as user spot in the
"QuickSetup first-run settings".
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 12:07    Post_subject:  

Billtoo wrote:
The warning popped up again

I thought so...
I'm gonna have to reconsider disabling it then, unless I figure out something else...
For now, to avoid the annoying pop-ups, you may want to comment out (or delete) the whole if-fi section at the end of /usr/sbin/snapmergepuppy:
Code:
if [ -s /tmp/snapmergepuppy-error ]; then   #140102 SFR
...
fi


01micko wrote:
What do you think about my stance on installing to NTFS?

As for ntfs itself I'm quite neutral - as long as it doesn't cause problems, let it be. And I like the fact that Linux is not alike the other "totalitarian" OS that supports only its own (all 2 or 3 IIRC, lol) filesystems.
But you're referring mainly to Win8+hibernation issue, right?
Well, I'm always keen to give users as much freedom as possible, also to do stupid things, so if it comes for me - lots of big, red, flashing warnings and beeps would be in order. Wink
But actually it's not that important (for me personally), as I prefer the less invasive Noryb's method.

Btw, PUI is fine now. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:23    Post_subject:  

@Billtoo: wait a second, I think I got it!
Code:
/initrd/pup_ro1/root/spot/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/#s.ytimg.com/settings.sol': No such file or directory

It's most likely about bad timing indeed, here's what I think happened:
1. snapmerge started to copy directories to savefile, but at the time there was no /root/spot/.macromedia/Flash... yet.
2. Firefox created all those subdirectories + settings.sol file inside.
3. snapmerge went to copying files , incl. settings.sol, but wasn't able to copy it, since all the above subdirectories hasn't been created in savefile in step 1.

That also explains why the subsequent save is usually error-free.

So, I added this workaround:
Code:
sed -i '/No such file or directory/d' /tmp/snapmergepuppy-error

This will remove all "No such file or directory" related errors, but leaves other (if any).

I'd be grateful if you could test it one more time. Fixed version attached.

Thanks for the feedback &
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 13:36    Post_subject:  

SFR wrote:
@Billtoo:
I'd be grateful if you could test it one more time. Fixed version attached.

Thanks for the feedback &
Greetings!


Okay, I installed the new version.
This sdhc card that I'm using is a little slow if that makes a difference.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 19:08    Post_subject: puppy on ntfs  

Hi. all!
I am on a trip now and cannot test the new puppyinttaller, but my thought on the ntfs.

Yes, ntfs has many problem. But for nooby, creating new partition is much more dangerous.
We can give good information on ntfs to avoid issues for nooby. Of course new partition is encouraged for Heavy users.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 20:35    Post_subject: Re: puppy on ntfs  

shinobar wrote:
Hi. all!
I am on a trip now and cannot test the new puppyinttaller, but my thought on the ntfs.

Yes, ntfs has many problem. But for nooby, creating new partition is much more dangerous.
We can give good information on ntfs to avoid issues for nooby. Of course new partition is encouraged for Heavy users.

Enjoy your break! Smile (hope it is not a business trip)

I have considered the NTFS situation and you are right, making a partition for a noob is a daunting task, so I added to the gui a checkbox so they must read the warning. The wording for now may seem a bit harsh. I can change to "CAUTION: Make sure it is defragmented bla, bla" and if on newer windows, "Make sure it is defragmented and not hibernated".

The checkbox in the image enables the button. You can see that I just tried it as the Slacko 5.9.3 install shows up in the result on the NTFS partition.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 22:22    Post_subject:  

Hi, 01micko.

vfat is indeed becoming limited, by comparison with other file systems.
However it retains its usefulness for exchanging docs and files between
WhineDose and Linux on older PCs. And there is no "danger" per se
using it under Linux.

On +/- the same subject:
I also have had success with UDF (universal drive format) on USB's. With
the udftools, it's a cinch to format and later mount any partition in UDF.

A couple of advantages of UDF over vfat :
-- one of the few f.s. to have almost no file size limit (well, it does have
one: 16 exabytes..., but it'll be a couple of decades before we get there! )
-- compatible with Mac as well as WhineDose, and many others f.s. (as
shown in the table in the wikipedia reference.)
-- you can format pretty much any media with it, not just metal discs.

Disadvantages:
* latest version of gparted still can't format a partition in udf (at least last
time I looked [i.e. tonight...]). So you have to create a "raw" partition,
then get out of gparted and format said partition in console using udftools.
* you can't use it as a boot partition.

My 2¢. BFN.

musher0

Refs. :
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format (general info)
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-udf/ (udftools)
* http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 22:26    Post_subject:  

Getting close now...

Thanks to rcrsn51 for MAAG.. might make it a default program as we have gifscicle already.

Note that the second NTFS drive doesn't have an OS. There is a mechanism that will open that one too if it does have an OS as it will be greyed (tested on another machine with 7/server 2008 installed).
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jul 2014, 22:35    Post_subject:  

@musher0

Yes, I like UDF for it's cross platform features. A good option for 'sneaker net' between OS types.

A simple tool to allow formatting drives to UDF would be nice.. any volunteers?

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